# New strategy of Trumpers? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 25, 2021, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494 "2021-01-25T22:46:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494/21 "2021-01-26T14:42:05Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I personally believe that presidents saluting undermines the concept of civilian control of the military. I was about to respond with exactly the same thought. The president (regardless of past service) is _not_ in the military. This is very, very, very important. And I am uncomfortable with anything a president might do that blurs that distinction, even a tiny bit. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494/22 "2021-01-26T14:43:24Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > As for the Taiwan example, though, that one is meaningless. China has been doing military flyovers near Taiwan for nearly a year now, long pre-dating the Biden presidency. They might as well blame Trump. Nope, they’ll blame Biden. Just like the economy of 2009 was Obama’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494/23 "2021-01-26T14:48:07Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > For as much as Trumpers love to shit on the PNW, you’d think they’d be happy about Portland and Seattle being “burned down”. Seriously. “Look what they are doing to _our_ cities!” has been a bugaboo for my still-hanging-on-to-the-GOP “friends” for the past 6 months. AS IF they gave a shit about these particular cities at any time in the past. Those cities were full of hippies, commies and gays a year ago. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494/24 "2021-01-26T14:50:59Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Somebody’s been reading the _New York Post_ . If ‘The New York Post’ was published in Seattle, no insurance in America would under-write it. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494/25 "2021-01-26T14:57:02Z")
> [@lobotomyboy63](#): > > And JUST TODAY - 8 Chinese bombers, 4 fighters, and 1 sub-hunter just breached Taiwan’s Air Defense Identification Zone, crossing the Taiwan Strait Ah, I see they’re recycling the anti-Obama playbook from 2009. There was a rash of [stories](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-security-usa-subs/russian-subs-patrol-off-u-s-east-coast-officials-idUSTRE5740DV20090805) about “Russia sending nuclear subs closer to America than ever!!!1!” Obviously the Trumpalos aren’t going to cast shade on Russia this time around, though. They’re our buddies now! ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494/26 "2021-01-26T15:00:52Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > The president (regardless of past service) is _not_ in the military. This is very, very, very important. And I am uncomfortable with anything a president might do that blurs that distinction, even a tiny bit. I do not disagree with this; my point was that there is a historical precedent for it. I remember Reagan doing this but I do not remember whether it was controversial at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494/27 "2021-01-26T15:06:05Z")
Why would you even engage? To me, leaving aside the (precious few) Republicans who disavowed Trump from the beginning, they have no credibility whatever about these sorts of complaints and lies. My view is that you need to let go of the idea that these people are actually concerned about any of their complaints they raise. It’s just bullshit. They are either being knowingly disingenuous, or they are so partisan-blind that they aren’t worth the time of day. To engage with them or pretend their complaints are serious or meaningful is only to play a fool’s game in which they expect you to abide by rules which they openly have no intention of following themselves. You can only lose. I have read on these boards years of allegedly heartfelt complaints by Republicans about Democrat presidents who got a blowjob or benefitted from a Marine holding a bumbershoot or played golf occasionally. They didn’t mean a word of it. When the Orange One came on the scene, his sexual peccadilloes meant nothing, his open and blatant and frankly breathtaking disrespect for the military and in particular those who lost their lives meant nothing. The fact he spent vast amount of his time as president playing golf meant nothing. These people have no integrity, no shame, and don’t deserve one moment of your serious consideration. The only response to them should be to laugh in their face and to ask them whether, after the last four years, they seriously expect you to take their hypocritical whining as anything other than partisan drivel. ---
**Author:** ![Daithi\_Lacha](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daithi_lacha/32/5430_2.png) [@Daithi\_Lacha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daithi_Lacha)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494/28 "2021-01-26T16:18:40Z")
One of my friends posted a similar list that included language like “I DARE you to fact check this!” And I bet it would be pretty easy to fact check it, but even if anyone did, no-one’s mind would be changed so why bother? Now, if it had said “double dog dare” … ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494/29 "2021-01-26T16:40:10Z")
That’s the thing. People post preposterous crap that is demonstrably false but they do not care in the slightest if a word is true. If it smears the Democrats, it gets shared. And if you demonstrate anything that is false, they dismiss it as “fake fact checking”. They’re just posting circle jerks to people who already believe it. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494/30 "2021-01-26T17:06:55Z")
> [@Daithi\_Lacha](#): > > One of my friends posted a similar list that included language like “I DARE you to fact check this!” And I bet it would be pretty easy to fact check it, but even if anyone did, no-one’s mind would be changed so why bother? A lot of that stuff is worded in right-wing jargon, but most are basically true. I don’t know where they got the 57,000 jobs number, but other than that, it’s not anything you could dispute with a fact-check. I’m in Texas, and my right-wing Facebook friends equate cancelling they Keystone XL pipeline with ending our energy independence. Texas is suing the Biden admin, left-wing protesters were rioting in the PNW, our NG troops were sent to a parking garage, Biden did open up girls’ sports to trans girls, the Biden administration did stop the efforts to have the census count only citizens, etc. etc. etc. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494/31 "2021-01-26T17:13:38Z")
Right. The majority of accusations - made by anyone against anyone - are factually true on some level or to some extent. What matters is how they are slanted or interpreted. You can spin almost anything to sound good or bad. One tactic my constitutional-law professor jokingly recommended was that if any of us students ran for political office some day, we were supposed to ominously accuse our opponent (if he was an American man) of having been in the “militia” from age 17 through 44. (Every able-bodied American man in that age range is in the militia, by definition.) ---
**Author:** ![Daithi\_Lacha](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daithi_lacha/32/5430_2.png) [@Daithi\_Lacha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daithi_Lacha)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494/32 "2021-01-26T17:15:10Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > our NG troops were sent to a parking garage, This item wasn’t due to the Biden administration, though. But again, why bother arguing it? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494/33 "2021-01-26T17:25:21Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > > [@Daithi\_Lacha](#): > > > > One of my friends posted a similar list that included language like “I DARE you to fact check this!” And I bet it would be pretty easy to fact check it, but even if anyone did, no-one’s mind would be changed so why bother? > > I don’t know where they got the 57,000 jobs number, I know where they got it from. They pulled it out of their ass. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494/34 "2021-01-26T17:40:25Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > not anything you could dispute with a fact-check. “Canada and Texas are suing Biden” Canada is not suing Biden. This is false. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494/35 "2021-01-26T17:43:00Z")
And here’s a point by point explanation of the Bullshit List. I would not expect Trumpers to understand any of this, as it contains some big words, and is longer than a tweet. > **[PolitiFact - Facebook post laments Biden’s first actions with false claims](https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jan/25/facebook-post-laments-bidens-first-actions-false-c/)** > > Joe Biden has only been president for a couple of days, but already his critics on social media are saying the country h ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494/36 "2021-01-26T20:49:09Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > > [@Yodalicious](#): > > > > > [@lobotomyboy63](#): > > > > > > - Is now allowing illegal immigrants to be counted for representation in congress. > > > > 1. Not true. > > Actually true. Always was true. Was true for the last umpteen presidents and not new. The Census counts the “number of whole persons”, not citizens. And it does that because that’s what the Constitution says: > [@](#): > > [From the Fourteenth Amendment, Section 2] > > Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. ---
**Author:** ![Dahnlor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dahnlor/32/533_2.png) [@Dahnlor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dahnlor)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494/37 "2021-01-26T21:09:05Z")
You know, four years ago when we were this far into the Trump administration, a longer list could have been compiled with only the lies he had told. ---
**Author:** ![squidfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@squidfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squidfood)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494/38 "2021-01-26T21:26:20Z")
Whether or not the effect of particular set of actions is exaggerated/spun, the more that executive orders are used overall, the more a President will do things on the first day that will make the other half unhappy. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494/39 "2021-01-26T21:43:32Z")
I did run into someone who thinks Biden is a hypocrite for undoing Trump’s executive orders while simultaneously calling for unity and healing. He thinks Biden should put it to a vote over whether or not people want the executive orders rescinded. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494/40 "2021-01-26T21:44:19Z")
> [@Dahnlor](#): > > You know, four years ago when we were this far into the Trump administration, a longer list could have been compiled with only the lies he had told. 10 lies just on inauguration day, according to the **[Washington Post Trump Lie Database](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/)** (not what they call it) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-strategy-of-trumpers/931494.md?page=3)