# New Study: 45,000 die in U.S every year from lack of healthcare **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 18, 2009, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616 "2009-09-18T17:30:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2009, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/101 "2009-09-21T01:19:28Z")
> [@Estilicon](#): > > I know this is the Pit and all that but do we really want things like this happening in the SDMB? Curlocoat’s behavior is inexcusable. Indeed – if EVER we needed the old Pit rules back, this would be it. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2009, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/102 "2009-09-21T01:32:21Z")
CURLCOAT actually is kicking a lot more of her hard earned, special and personal money to the rich and corporations and banks than any confiscation ,which may or may not happen, to keep the poor from dying in the streets. It is easy to bitch about the poor stealing her money. it takes more time and study to see how the rich are gobbling up the wealth of America. And an open mind, so i would not worry about that . ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/103 "2009-09-21T01:55:45Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > I’m trying to find a way to be compassionate towards someone whose life experience has obviously affected her so deeply that it’s impaired her ability to empathize with others in need. I think she’s full of fear, and it makes her hateful. I know, this armchair psychoanalysis which will likely be sneered at by curlcoat and her opponents alike, so I’m not sure why I’m bothering. Well, you’re a better person than I am then. I see zero compassion coming from **curlcoat** , and I feel no urge to give any back. I think that some people are just inherently shitheads, and no amount of armchair psychoanalysis either explains or redeems them. Of course, you are entitled to differing mileage, if you wish to bother. > [@Rubystreak](#): > > My point is, you’ll never “deal” with her because nothing any of us can say will penetrate far enough to affect her. Her insecurity is too great and too deep-rooted. Fortunately, she doesn’t vote. All she does is say mean, hateful shit on the internet, so while she is hurting people like torie, which is unfortunate, she isn’t having much of an effect on the rest of the world. This is her only outlet. Perhaps we should deny it to her by all ignoring her? She is indeed impenetrable (No, that’s not what I meant; --well, I suppose you could ask her husband.), and apparently as dense as the core of the sun. But we don’t really know whether or not she votes. She may in fact even be a fixture at Teabagger Parties all over the country! Maybe she only posts her venom here between stints at Glen Beck’s Hysteria Headquarters. Perhaps she is an Exalted Confidante of His Holiness, the Rush. She may not be quite as inconsequential an insect as you guess. And, try as I do, ignoring her is like ignoring lice; eventually they both seem to get under my skin. Must be a kinship thing……. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2009, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/104 "2009-09-21T02:00:32Z")
> [@CannyDan](#): > > She is indeed impenetrable (No, that’s not what I meant; --well, I suppose you could ask her husband.), and apparently as dense as the core of the sun. But we don’t really know whether or not she votes. She has said openly that she doesn’t, and if we’re taking her at face value on her other claims, we should probably accept that one as well. I also do not think she is a Republican/Glenn Beck supporter. She has some liberal views (pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro animal rights). She’s a mishmash of ideas that don’t clearly adhere to one ideological classification. Yes, I’ve been following her work, more fool me. > [@](#): > > She may not be quite as inconsequential an insect as you guess. And, try as I do, ignoring her is like ignoring lice; eventually they both seem to get under my skin. Must be a kinship thing……. Just a word to the wise: any thread in which she participates actively winds up being 40+ pages because she responds to every. single. post. Even when she falls days and pages behind, she is relentless, and she won’t stop first. So it’s futile, since she won’t change and you won’t wear her down. Why bother? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2009, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/105 "2009-09-21T02:06:02Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > …Even when she falls days and pages behind, she is relentless, and she won’t stop…she won’t change and you won’t wear her down… At least we keep her busy, she’s not out tracking down Sarah Connor. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2009, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/106 "2009-09-21T02:29:57Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > \ Why bother? I wasn’t contradicting you. And I wasn’t bothering to debate her. I was making fun of her. Something about the internet just sucks the life out of humor. **'luc** , you know what I mean, don’t you? **'luc**? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2009, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/107 "2009-09-21T02:57:03Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > At least we keep her busy, she’s not out tracking down Sarah Connor. Oh great, another thread hijacked into being all about Sarah Connor. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2009, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/108 "2009-09-21T03:32:22Z")
> [@CannyDan](#): > > I wasn’t contradicting you. And I wasn’t bothering to debate her. > > I was making fun of her. > > Something about the internet just sucks the life out of humor. **'luc** , you know what I mean, don’t you? > > **'luc**? Or maybe you’re just not funny. 😉 Elucidator, OTOH, is. Maybe he could succeed where the rest of us fail. Or maybe he’s tilted at enough windmills for today. In any case, when curlcoat comes roaring back in here with replies for all of us and lots of snorts and :rolleyes:s, we should all be studiously busy doing something else. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2009, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/109 "2009-09-21T03:40:26Z")
Whats that old bumper sticker? “Jesus Is Coming, Look Busy”? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2009, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/110 "2009-09-21T05:27:06Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Oh great, another thread hijacked into being all about Sarah Connor. You have to admit that any version of Sarah Connor is hotter and less obscenely reprehensible than Curlcoat, even after she (Sarah) went all psycho-paranoid in the second movie. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2009, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/111 "2009-09-21T05:50:14Z")
Whaddaya talking? She had a rock-solid grasp on reality, it was everybody else who didn’t! I can relate… ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2009, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/112 "2009-09-21T19:24:23Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > : snip > That’s the point - people who have insurance tend to go to the doctor when they don’t really need to. Particularly children - their parents run them in for viruses, mild sprains and all of the other things that end up boiling down to “take two aspirin and rest”. A UHC isn’t about just keeping people alive, it’s about paying for all of those doctors visits that really didn’t need to be made, it’s about paying for things that are not and never will be life threatening. > snip… Riiiiight…because those who have insurance just love taking time to go to the doctor’s office for little boo-boos and shelling out the co-payments. Visiting the doc is such fun, after all. Please. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/113 "2009-09-21T20:42:19Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > Apparently you didn’t know it either, so I guess that makes both of us. UHC is not going to bump you from upper middle class/lower upper class to poverty. It’s not going to make it hard or impossible for you to pay your mortgage, unless you are living in a house you can’t really afford in the first place. That’s just a fact. It is? You know this how? You have some inside information on what plan they will pass, and what the _ongoing_ cost to the taxpayer is going to be? You have facts as to what our net income and total out go are? > [@](#): > > If you’re so upset about what it costs to live where you live? You are worried about making your mortgage if UHC passes? Not going to be able to retire in the manner to which you’ve become accustomed? Move. Typical. You see nothing wrong with the taxpayer paying out to fund yet another handout program, and if those of us who have actually earned what we have might find it hard to afford to pay those taxes, we should take a cut in our quality of living. That’s what these things always boil down to - it isn’t “fair” that some people have more than others. Not only is this an immature way to look at life, it continues to amaze me that you and all the others that feel this way totally ignore the affect this sort of thing has on societies. Even when it is pointed out to you. > [@](#): > > Otherwise, you are choosing to live in a place that “impoverishes” you and empties out your retirement funds, despite your husband’s six figure salary, which would make you fucking rich in other places. Why should we have any compassion for your bad choices? Snort. “My bad choices”. Apparently, that would be the fact that I chose to not have children when I was impoverished and starving, that I chose to work my way up out of that instead of just taking from the taxpayers, that I chose to save and create IRAs and pensions for my future - all so you could take from me to give to people who don’t do any of those things. Huh. If I’d known that way back when, I could have just sat on my butt and demanded that you all pay to support me! Not that I would have, but I do wonder how many marginally responsible people end up thinking that way, when they see the fruits of labor mean you just end up paying more taxes that go in the most part to support people who have not been responsible and worked hard. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/114 "2009-09-21T20:53:35Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > It is? You know this how? You have some inside information on what plan they will pass, and what the _ongoing_ cost to the taxpayer is going to be? You have facts as to what our net income and total out go are? Your husband makes a six figure salary. UHC is not going to put you out of your house. You’re crazy if you are seriously claiming this. This sort of bullshit is why no one takes you seriously. > [@](#): > > Snort. You have health insurance. Get your sinuses looked at already. > [@](#): > > “My bad choices”. If you feel you can’t afford to live in extra-expensive Orange County, move to a place where your husband’s six figure salary IS a lot of money… like pretty much fucking ANYHWERE (including Orange County, despite your protestations to the contrary). You choose to live in a place that’s pricey. Don’t whine to us about it. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2009, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/115 "2009-09-21T20:56:25Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Typical. You see nothing wrong with the taxpayer paying out to fund yet another handout program, and if those of us who have actually earned what we have might find it hard to afford to pay those taxes, we should take a cut in our quality of living. Lest anyone lose sight of the supreme and persistent irony of these statements, I shall remind everyone _yet again_ that _you_, by your _own admission_, are currently enjoying the milky goodness of a “taxpayer-funded handout program” even as you cast your sneering aspersions upon others who’d do the same—you turbid, dessicated cunt. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2009, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/116 "2009-09-21T21:00:36Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > Then there’s the fact that you bitch about not having enough money to retire were Congress to grow balls and start charging you and everyone else their fair share of dues to the uber-rich USA club. Despite what others wish you to believe, husband and I do not qualify as uber-rich, or even rich. We live on a budget, we have never been on vacation other than the occasional weekend to Vegas (I personally have never been to Hawaii for example). We barely qualify as middle class here in that we don’t live in a McMansion and our cars are both over 6 years old and have well over 100,000 each on them. The middle class is already paying for more than our fair share, which you should know. > [@](#): > > So I guess you didn’t plan very well, did you? Most of us take the taxes we owe to society into account. Looks like you didn’t, and that makes you a worthless, irresponsible cooze. :rolleyes: Yeah, right, you budget for every new tax bite that the liberals might demand over the 40-50 year period that you will be working. Uh huh… > [@](#): > > It’s that kind of ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, attitude that is running this country in to the ground. Exactly. ME, ME, ME is what driving this demand for yet another handout, to be paid for by those of us who did work and did plan. Yes, our pre-tax income looks like a lot and yes it is completely ridiculous that we cannot live comfortably on that. But since California is way ahead of the rest of the country WRT taxing us to support hordes of poor people, that income is well chopped before we actually see it. (and before you tell us to move, remember that our income would drop radically if we moved to some place with a lower cost of living). > [@](#): > > Suck it up and get a job. I’d love to be able to. > [@kambuckta](#): > > **curlcoat** et al, did you ever consider that having a UHScheme might actually _lower_ your medical insurance outlays, and thus make you financially better-off than you are presently? That one has been discussed to death in other threads and no, I don’t think it will. Logic dictates if you add hundreds of thousands of people to my insurance policy who cannot pay as much as I can, my premium must go up to cover them. Not to mention all of the cost to get such a government program up and running. Also, comparing different countries doesn’t work well - for example, Australia has far fewer people than the US, and you have had your UHC since (most likely) before you were born, so you have never had to pay for start up costs. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2009, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/117 "2009-09-21T22:49:15Z")
I think the best way to handle a post by **curlcoat** is to remind yourself that what you just read was written by a woman who was so stupid, she didn’t know where black people came from. After that, you’ll recognize pretty quickly that there’s absolutely no point in paying any attention to her. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/118 "2009-09-21T23:32:05Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > :rolleyes: Yeah, right, you budget for every new tax bite that the liberals might demand over the 40-50 year period that you will be working. Uh huh… Holy shit, you retarded sack of pubic lice, you chastise people for “not planning” for every possible unforeseen calamity that might befall them WRT having kids, getting ill, etc., and this is your comeback when called on it? You really are a dense lump of fucking shit. “When _I_ can’t plan, it’s because of the evil liberals who are trying to play Robin Hood with my hard-earned money!”. Except, in your case, the “hard-earned” doesn’t really apply. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2009, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/119 "2009-09-21T23:59:22Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > It is? You know this how? You have some inside information on what plan they will pass, and what the _ongoing_ cost to the taxpayer is going to be? You have facts as to what our net income and total out go are? I linked to the most liberal, _most costly_ version floating through Congress right now. See post #93. The worst “soak the rich” provisions that are being considered would only affect people making in excess of $350,000 a year. Income between 350,000 and 500,000 is taxed an additional 1 percent. An extra 1.5 percent on income between 500,000 and a million. You claimed your household has a six figure salary. It seems highly implausible to me that this tax, assuming you are even subject to it, could have any appreciable negative effect on your finances. If you have any cites to refute this, I’ll be happy to look at them. If you want to continue this conversation, I’m going to have to see cites. Not just you bitching and moaning. Actual cites that will demonstrate that healthcare reform will put any burden on you whatsoever. If you can’t do that, further conversation will serve no useful purpose. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/120 "2009-09-22T00:14:57Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > further conversation will serve no useful purpose. That should be **curlcoat** ’s truth-in-advertising username. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616.md?page=7)