# New Study: 45,000 die in U.S every year from lack of healthcare **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 18, 2009, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616 "2009-09-18T17:30:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/121 "2009-09-22T01:39:50Z")
Considering that **curlcoat** is ALSO on assistance, she has a lot of nerve calling out **torie**. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/122 "2009-09-22T01:53:55Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Despite what others wish you to believe, husband and I do not qualify as uber-rich, or even rich. We live on a budget, we have never been on vacation other than the occasional weekend to Vegas (I personally have never been to Hawaii for example). Okay, all you folks in Hawai’i, how about a rousing “Thank You” to the good people of Las Vegas for taking that bullet for you? ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/123 "2009-09-22T02:30:34Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Okay, all you folks in Hawai’i, how about a rousing “Thank You” to the good people of Las Vegas for taking that bullet for you? Nice 😃 ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/124 "2009-09-22T02:38:39Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > Curlcoat, do you and your husbands combined income exceed $350,000 a year? If not, you won’t even have to pay an [extra penny](http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c111A5klvh:e242060:) more in taxes than you are now. From the actual text of the House bill: From the last I saw, that version wasn’t doing that well so there is certainly no guarantee that the next try won’t include a tax on the middle class. > [@Lobohan](#): > > Look, arguing with that silly whore is a waste of time. She’s stupid and can’t assimilate new knowledge. The bitch is still sputtering the same ignorant stances she did in her first health care thread. As are you: > [@](#): > > She doesn’t understand that insurance isn’t available at any rate to some Americans. She doesn’t understand that insurance isn’t affordable to some Americans. She doesn’t understand that insurance can, and does fail to pay claims when it can get away with it. She doesn’t understand a lot of things, harping on it won’t help. I understand all of those things and have said so many times. But it is far more fun for you to pretend that I am some sort of ignorant ogre and that your stance is all butterflies and bunnies. > [@Estilicon](#): > > I know this is the Pit and all that but do we really want things like this happening in the SDMB? Curlocoat’s behavior is inexcusable. What, that **torie** says she is crying her eyes out? About what? That I told her that her children are not all important? That she had been irresponsible? ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/125 "2009-09-22T03:17:03Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > From the last I saw, that version wasn’t doing that well so there is certainly no guarantee that the next try won’t include a tax on the middle class. So just to confirm: You don’t oppose all possible health care reform? You’d be ok with certain versions? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/126 "2009-09-22T03:22:44Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Whazzat! Is that some totally cool thing everybody knew about months ago but some dumb ol’ trailerpark peckerwood hasn’t heard about, like that “All your burning dog bases are belong to us”? Not really. It’s a Linux/Unix geek thing. I used to know where it came from, but I forgot. It’s been a long while since I’ve had to use Linux… I think it was vi (a weirdass, absurdly unintuitive text editor)… anyway : using backspace didn’t erase characters, but instead appended ^H at the end of whatever you wanted to erase. Hence, the joke. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/127 "2009-09-22T03:46:36Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > I’m trying to find a way to be compassionate towards someone whose life experience has obviously affected her so deeply that it’s impaired her ability to empathize with others in need. I think she’s full of fear, and it makes her hateful. I know, this armchair psychoanalysis which will likely be sneered at by curlcoat and her opponents alike, so I’m not sure why I’m bothering. So, the fact that I am tired of paying for people to sit on their butts means I have impaired ability to empathize? Just when I think that you all have exhausted your store of wild conclusions to jump to, you surprise me all over again. > [@](#): > > Her insecurity is too great and too deep-rooted. What am I insecure about? > [@gonzomax](#): > > CURLCOAT actually is kicking a lot more of her hard earned, special and personal money to the rich and corporations and banks than any confiscation ,which may or may not happen, to keep the poor from dying in the streets. It is easy to bitch about the poor stealing her money. it takes more time and study to see how the rich are gobbling up the wealth of America. The rich are not the subject here. However, I will point out that you are lumping them all together as if simply having more than X money must mean that they are evil, or whatever it is you think. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/128 "2009-09-22T03:52:17Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > What am I insecure about? Being poor. Your husband earns about 50% more than the median income for your county of residence. Yet you say you believe that paying for UHC will cause you to become broke, lose your house, and/or be unable to retire. That’s just crazy and not factual, unless you are also very irresponsible with money, which you claim you are not. Your irrational fear of poverty has made you unable to feel compassion for the less fortunate. All you see is people who want to take your money and make you poor again. It’s not going to happen unless you and your husband make some very bad financial decisions in the next decade or so, unrelated to taxation, because fiscally responsible people who make six figure salaries are not at risk of poverty or homelessness. If so, then that’s your problem, right? Being irresponsible is no cause for compassion, or so you’d have us believe. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/129 "2009-09-22T03:58:16Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > So, the fact that I am tired of paying for people to sit on their butts means I have impaired ability to empathize? Just when I think that you all have exhausted your store of wild conclusions to jump to, you surprise me all over again. And yet, people are doing the same damned thing for you. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/130 "2009-09-22T04:25:07Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > She has some liberal views (pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro animal rights). No, I am definitely not pro animal rights. > [@](#): > > She’s a mishmash of ideas that don’t clearly adhere to one ideological classification. Yeah, I think for myself - silly me. > [@](#): > > Just a word to the wise: any thread in which she participates actively winds up being 40+ pages because she responds to every. single. post. Even when she falls days and pages behind, she is relentless, and she won’t stop first. If this were true, I’d have a much high post count, wouldn’t I? And if you’ll check those two (yeah, only two) big threads, you will see that I was far from the last one to post to them. > [@](#): > > we should all be studiously busy doing something else. You mean like when you PM’d me all that glurg and then threatened to tattle to the moderators if I responded? > [@vivalostwages](#): > > Riiiiight…because those who have insurance just love taking time to go to the doctor’s office for little boo-boos and shelling out the co-payments. Visiting the doc is such fun, after all. Shrug. A lot of the “proof” that the pro-UHC folks use that they think means we needs one shows that those without insurance can’t/don’t go to the doctor when they have a “boo-boo” that later turns out to kill them. Or at least be really expensive to treat. So, either we are going to the doctor for things that usually turn out to be minor but might be major, or we aren’t. Do you really think that people who have insurance don’t do that significantly more than those without? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/131 "2009-09-22T05:02:45Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > Your husband makes a six figure salary. That’s all you can focus on, isn’t it? The fact the man makes X amount of money that, to you, is some huge sum, and not what the cost of living is, what our taxes are, or even if he will be able to continue to make that salary for the next eight years until he can retire. > [@](#): > > If you feel you can’t afford to live in extra-expensive Orange County, move to a place where your husband’s six figure salary IS a lot of money. How many times do I have to say - he wouldn’t make that much any place else. I know it doesn’t jibe with your desire to consider us rich, but that is simply the way it is. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Lest anyone lose sight of the supreme and persistent irony of these statements, I shall remind everyone _yet again_ that _you_, by your _own admission_, are currently enjoying the milky goodness of a “taxpayer-funded handout program” even as you cast your sneering aspersions upon others who’d do the same—you turbid, dessicated cunt. Whatever. You all have already proven that you have no idea the difference between people who take their social security early, and those who lay about and live off the taxpayer for most of their lives. Lumping those two together is obscene, but it certainly doesn’t surprise me that you all do it to try to “prove” how awful I must be. > [@Miller](#): > > I think the best way to handle a post by **curlcoat** is to remind yourself that what you just read was written by a woman who was so stupid, she didn’t know where black people came from. I am aware of all the different places that black people came from. What I wasn’t aware of is that a vast majority of the blacks living in the US are direct descendants of slaves. But then, that wouldn’t fit your idiot preconceptions, would it? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/132 "2009-09-22T05:28:19Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Holy shit, you retarded sack of pubic lice, you chastise people for “not planning” for every possible unforeseen calamity that might befall them WRT having kids, getting ill, etc., and this is your comeback when called on it? You really are a dense lump of fucking shit. “When _I_ can’t plan, it’s because of the evil liberals who are trying to play Robin Hood with my hard-earned money!”. Except, in your case, the “hard-earned” doesn’t really apply. I know you won’t bother because it would prove you an idiot, but I’ll try anyway - cite for when I ever chastised anyone for not planning for “every possible unforeseen calamity”? Hint - you won’t find it. > [@Blalron](#): > > I linked to the most liberal, _most costly_ version floating through Congress right now. See post #93. And I responded - so? > [@Blalron](#): > > So just to confirm: You don’t oppose all possible health care reform? You’d be ok with certain versions? As I have said, MANY times, I support changes in the insurance laws. I’d even accept extending Medicaid, if we really have to cover all these folks that are uninsured. What I oppose is any sort of UHC that means that I will be dependent on a government run healthcare program. And I really don’t want to see the waste of money that would be the government trying to create and run another healthcare program after their failures with Medicaid and Medicare. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/133 "2009-09-22T08:59:13Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Despite what others wish you to believe, husband and I do not qualify as uber-rich, or even rich. You misunderstand. It is the United States as a whole that is uber-rich–not necessarily you and your husband. You , me, and everyone else benefits from being a member of that uber-rich USA club. There are dues to pay to belong to that club and (at least for the last 40 years or so) we haven’t been paying even close to our fair share of those dues. It is time that we pay that fair share, so don’t bitch about it, OK? Not like we WILL have to pay our fair share… Congress is so scared of harpies like you and the rest of the teabaggers that they won’t raise taxes up to where they should be. So rest easy. You’re going to get away with ripping of the U.S. Treasury for the foreseeable future. So just STFU. You don’t even realize all the benefits you receive everyday for the Federal government that you hate so much, do you? I mean, other than that check you get in the mail twice a month from Uncle Sugar. The one that by your own logic you certainly don’t deserve. Yet you take it anyway. That’s just simple greed, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/134 "2009-09-22T11:17:33Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > You mean like when you PM’d me all that glurg and then threatened to tattle to the moderators if I responded? Oh, don’t lie now. I PM’ed you to tell you not to bother to respond to me in that 40+ page thread because you were so many days behind and I wasn’t interested in it any longer, to save you the energy. You wanted to continue the discussion, which we did for a while (I figured it would be interesting to talk to you one on one, see if maybe you were more reasonable in private) until you became abusive. Then, I told you to stop PM’ing me, but you wouldn’t, because you had to have the last word, so I told you’d I’d consider it harassment if it didn’t stop. But that’s you all over, isn’t it? Still trying to get the last word. The only reason you didn’t get the last word in those other two big threads is because people kept posting to them deliberately to prevent you from having it. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/135 "2009-09-22T12:03:36Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > What I oppose is any sort of UHC that means that I will be dependent on a government run healthcare program. Show some proof that UHC will force you off of your private insurance plan and into the public option. You won’t, because you can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/136 "2009-09-22T13:18:45Z")
Also, show some proof that the costs of UHC would cause your family, which has a six figure income, to lose its house and retirement fund, and cause you to go broke. Any reasonable cite will do. ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/137 "2009-09-22T14:32:33Z")
> [@Estilicon](#): > > I know this is the Pit and all that but do we really want things like this happening in the SDMB? Curlocoat’s behavior is inexcusable. Welcome to the Internet. Buy a helmet. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/138 "2009-09-22T14:47:10Z")
Curlcoat, can you answer a couple of serious question? 1. Can you explain exactly why Canadians can pay half as much per capita for health care, have UHC, not have people dying in the street, and still not be ‘taxing the middle class out of existence’ or threatening peoples mortgages? How about Europe? Australia? Japan? I have yet to understand this point. (cite about per capita expenditure, should you care to learn something - [Health system - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_systems#cite_note-11)) 2. What would have happened to you had you not met and married your husband? Surely you must concede that this could have happened, you could have remained single. Leaving aside the size of his salary, you admit that your cost of living is covered by him. Could you really live off your paltry disability payments? Would you be able to get/afford health insurance? Would you have to go onto a government health care plan? ---
**Author:** ![MissIntent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/97f17d/32.png) [@MissIntent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissIntent)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/139 "2009-09-22T15:26:42Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > if those of us who have actually earned what we have might find it hard to afford to pay those taxes, > > So, the fact that I am tired of paying for people to sit on their butts… I must be confused, I was under the impression that you don’t work? How are you earning or paying for anything? Maybe you should have planned your life better to avoid disability so you could work more, and then you wouldn’t have to worry about money. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616/140 "2009-09-22T17:21:39Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > So, the fact that I am tired of paying for people to sit on their butts means I have impaired ability to empathize? Just when I think that you all have exhausted your store of wild conclusions to jump to, you surprise me all over again. > > What am I insecure about? > > The rich are not the subject here. However, I will point out that you are lumping them all together as if simply having more than X money must mean that they are evil, or whatever it is you think. Not at all. You are bitching about your especially hard earned money going to people who refuse to work and help themselves. That is a pretty specialized case of people who have their claws into your personal income. Yet the real drain on your finances goes to the wealthy , corporations and banks. You should focus your outrage where it is real ,not against some phantom poor guy . Love that get a job thing. Unemployment in Detroit is 29 percent. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-study-45-000-die-in-u-s-every-year-from-lack-of-healthcare/510616.md?page=8)