# NEW Stupid Republican Idea of the Day (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 7, 2022, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018 "2022-02-07T00:52:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018/101 "2022-02-09T20:53:10Z")
**Republican Mayor in Ohio suggests that Ice Fishing Leads to Prostitution** Also that creative writing classes lead to pornography > [@](#): > > The mayor of Hudson, Ohio, presented a bizarre argument against permitting ice fishing at a local park — he said it will lead to prostitution. > > In a viral video clip, Craig Shubert told city council members that if the winter pastime were allowed at Hudson Springs Park, an entirely different type of pastime would naturally follow. > “If you open this up to ice fishing, while on the surface it sounds good, then what happens next year? Does someone come back and say, ‘I want an ice shanty for X-amount of time?’” he asked in the clip, referring to the use of portable shelters for ice fishing. > > “And if you then allow ice fishing with shanties, then that leads to another problem — prostitution,” he continued. “And now you’ve got the police chief and the police department involved. Just data points to consider.” > It’s not clear what “data points” Shubert, a Republican, was referencing. Shubert’s colleagues seemed to nervously laugh off his suggestion. > … > … > … > Last year, he argued that Hudson school board members should be held accountable for “pornographic content” in schools. Among the materials he found [objectionable](https://www.cleveland.com/news/2021/09/inappropriate-prompts-in-hudson-high-school-writing-book-went-unnoticed-for-five-years.html) was a book called “642 Things to Write About.” Two of the book’s prompts involved a sex scene. An investigation into Shubert’s conduct at a school board meeting revealed that those specific prompts had never even been assigned. Yes, I checked. He’s Republican > **[Ohio Mayor Says Ice Fishing Leads To Prostitution](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ice-fishing-ohio-prostitution_n_620401f2e4b0328e0020e3e5)** > > Hudson Mayor Craig Shubert cited "data points." > **[Craig Shubert](https://ballotpedia.org/Craig_Shubert)** > > Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics We all recall the sub-plot about rampant prostitution in the ice fishing shanties in the movie **Grumpier Old Men**. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018/102 "2022-02-09T21:01:52Z")
Harold Hill: Well either you are closing your eyes to a situation you do not wish to acknowledge, or you are not aware of the caliber of disaster indicated by the presence of a Ice Fishing shanty in your community… 😱 ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018/103 "2022-02-09T21:03:42Z")
Right here in Hudson city! ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018/104 "2022-02-09T21:05:43Z")
From the link > I couldn’t have kids laugh at them … like, other kids got in trouble for having transgender kids in my class. Totally unfair! Why should I get in trouble for calling Mary a poopy head and throwing rocks at her when she’s the one who’s the poopy head? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018/105 "2022-02-09T21:07:34Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Bless her heart, she means well. No she doesn’t; she’s a Republican. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018/106 "2022-02-09T21:09:39Z")
> [Why ‘Bless Your Heart’ Is the Most Savage Insult in the Country](https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/bless-your-heart) > > As a Southerner, I’ll tell you this: It’s the nicest way you’ll ever be called an idiot ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018/107 "2022-02-09T21:13:28Z")
Okay, but I wasn’t objecting to the “bless her heart” part. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018/108 "2022-02-09T21:27:08Z")
Adding “she means well” to “Bless her heart” dials the insult up to eleven. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018/109 "2022-02-09T21:49:22Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Candidate for the Texas House says transgender children make her uncomfortable, and it’s unfair that their classmates can’t make fun of them. Well, Republicans make **me** uncomfortable and I demand my constitutional right to make fun of them everywhere and at all times! > [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Harold Hill: Well either you are closing your eyes to a situation you do not wish to acknowledge, or you are not aware of the caliber of disaster indicated by the presence of a Ice Fishing shanty in your community… 😱 🎵 With a capital **P** And that rhymes with…_er_… **Constitution**! 🎶 ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018/110 "2022-02-09T22:26:44Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I wouldn’t want to see any of them in a onesie, though. Not even, say, Ilhan Omar? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018/111 "2022-02-09T22:33:08Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > That last bit could be very interesting regarding Trump. I guess the question is how “unlawfully” is defined. Unfortunately may be one of those things like “classified” where its whatever the president says it is. > > ETA: Yeah, unfortunately it looks like I was right 🙁 > > From this [link](https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-rules-apply-government-records-during-presidential-transition) on the presidential records act (PRA): > > > Instead, the president is responsible for interpreting whether the PRA applies to specific records, which implicates public and congressional access to those records. And unlike the FRA, the PRA grants the president exclusive responsibility for custody of, control of and access to presidential records during his or her presidency. The National Archives has a more active role under the FRA in developing document preservation policies alongside federal agencies. > > > > … > > > > The PRA, in comparison, provides even fewer safeguards against the destruction of records. The law leaves it to the president to “take all such steps as may be necessary” to ensure that presidential records are maintained and preserved. It also grants the president discretion to dispose of records that “no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value.” While a president must ask the advice of the archivist before destroying records, he or she is free to disregard that advice. I’m not sure that your dismissal is on solid footing. I mean, to be sure, the Trump legal team would try to make that argument but it misses quite a lot of points. As your cite notes, we’re talking about two different things here: The FRA and the PRA. To my understanding, both have the [same penalty](https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-36/chapter-XII/subchapter-B/part-1230) but the rules on them are different. The FRA applies to materials created and owned by a Federal agency, while the PRA applies to materials created and owned by a small group near the President. Many of the materials that the President would have tried to destroy would have fallen under the FRA. But under the law, the head of the agency is in charge of ensuring that the documents are preserved. As such, knowing that Trump would be liable to destroy a particular document, it’s quite likely that they would have ensured that there were other copies available. The Executive Branch (and thereby the DOJ) is unlikely to make an argument that the President can’t override the agency heads about whether a document needs to be preserved, so don’t take the previous as an indication that I think that the President doesn’t have authority to destroy documents under the FRA, but: It’s doubtful that Trump explicitly stated, “Destroy this document and all copies.” In the majority of cases. And minus that sort of statement, it would have been completely up to the agency head whether he believed that Trump’s destruction of a document was just him venting frustration or an order to remove the material from the purview of the FRA. In those cases where the agency head took an action to preserve a document, that would seem to indicate an intention to keep it around. Minus the President’s explicit statement to the contrary, in the historic record, it’s arguable that the archivist and the agency head could override the former President in saying that the document was intended to be preserved - especially if the new President indicates that the document is a material that is covered by the FRA. A retroactive order to designate the document as “not covered by the FRA”, when you’ve left office and are no longer a President, isn’t terribly binding. One might further note that many documents were collected and taped back together - presumably in Trump’s presence. The national press wrote about it, so it’s not like he would have an excuse to be ignorant of the fact. That he would watch someone crawling around on the floor, gathering parts of a document, and not give them an order to make sure that it was not preserved would seem to indicate that he had no intention to remove the material from the record. Any argument that his action was an implicit command to destroy the record is disproved by his allowing the documents to be reconstructed. (Granted, that could also serve the former President as a legal defense.) And, further, when it comes to the PRA, there’s a specific sequence of events is required for the President to designate a document to be not-suitable-for-preservation. Eating the document is not that. So, again, we end up with a situation where we have documents which were intentionally mauled and possibly destroyed, with good reason to believe that the President had no intention to designate the material as not-suitable-for-preservation. Now, that all said, a principal component of a crime is the intention to commit a crime. And, of course, you have to ask whether a President can be accused of committing a crime while exercising (successfully or otherwise) the powers of his position? For the latter of those two question, it’s a set deal that no representative of the people is authorized to corruptly use his powers. If the President shoots someone that he thinks is a terrorist - even though that person is an American citizen - the President might get away with murder, if it is believable that this was truly his agenda. On the other hand, if he murders a man that his wife was cheating with - no, that’s still a crime, regardless that it’s the President who did it. If the President pardons a murderer, who he doesn’t know and has no association with, he is simply doing his job. If, on the other hand, a wealthy patron gives the President money to get a pardon for a murder then that is corruption and the President would be guilty of Federal corruption crimes. Fundamentally, the President has taken an Oath to execute the laws of the land, in service to the people. Using his powers and the law in service to himself is a violation of the Oath and he is left legally liable for any corrupt actions. So the question purely comes down to whether he intended to commit a crime, when he was destroying those documents. If he was, for example, attempting to cover up another crime then that would be a fairly clear situation where he had criminal intent. And as such, he would be liable for the penalties of the crime. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018/112 "2022-02-09T22:56:48Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > People really Are that stupid. > **[Marjorie Taylor Greene accuses Pelosi of sending 'Gazpacho Police' -- and...](https://www.rawstory.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-2656607031/)** > > On Wednesday, in an interview with the podcast Real America with Dan Ball, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) made an odd choice of words during a rant against the Capitol Police."Not only do we have the D.C. Jail, which is the D.C. Gulag, but now we... “So, who’s up for a light dinner…?” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018/113 "2022-02-09T23:08:32Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Just wait until it starts happening here in the US. Made the call! > ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018/114 "2022-02-09T23:15:47Z")
> Marjorie Taylor Greene accuses Pelosi of sending ‘Gazpacho Police’ Pelosi is the Soup Nazi? ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018/115 "2022-02-09T23:17:06Z")
If only she were joking. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018/116 "2022-02-09T23:58:05Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Marjorie Taylor Greene accuses Pelosi of sending ‘Gazpacho Police’ Well of course. Pelosi knows that revenge is a dish best served cold. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018/117 "2022-02-10T00:07:43Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Pelosi is the Soup Nazi? Maybe she just wishes Marge Three-Toes would take a chowder… ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018/118 "2022-02-10T00:25:00Z")
Right wing asshole Nick Adams: (note the truck in his emojis) “Illegal immigration should be illegal.” > ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018/119 "2022-02-10T00:25:43Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Candidate for the Texas House says transgender children make her uncomfortable, and it’s unfair that their classmates can’t make fun of them. > > [Republican Texas House Candidate Complained About Transgender Students - Business Insider](https://www.businessinsider.com/republican-texas-house-candidate-transgender-students-2022-2) Any time Republicans complain about how something makes them uncomfortable, they just need to be told “Fuck your feelings, snowflake.” Repeatedly. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018/120 "2022-02-10T00:28:50Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > [@Steve\_MB](#): > > > > Marjorie Taylor Greene accuses Pelosi of sending ‘ **Gazpacho Police’** > > Well of course. Pelosi knows that revenge is a dish best served cold. Band name! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018.md?page=7)