# NEW Stupid Republican Idea of the Day (Part 3) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 4, 2023, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588 "2023-07-04T21:42:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 397
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588/7921 "2024-09-19T19:13:04Z")
Reminds of a meme that I saw during the Trump presidency: “This whole thing could have been avoided if someone had told Trump that Obama could hold his breath for 20 minutes.” ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588/7922 "2024-09-19T19:24:02Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Except he thinks that taking a bullet for your country makes you a “sucker” and a “loser”. Well, sure, it makes OTHER people suckers and losers. But when HE does it,\* of course it makes HIM a Winner and a Hero. (Why would you even question this?!?!??) \* _ **if** _ he did it, that is—instead of, possibly, being grazed by a piece of glass or something even _less_ heroic. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588/7923 "2024-09-19T19:36:39Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > I also don’t really understand why they want to make immigration a big issue. Because they have nothing else to enrage the voters. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588/7924 "2024-09-20T08:20:02Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I’ve got a plastic bag from my dry cleaner he can use, if he wants… I was thinking more of a rusty hacksaw I could lend him. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588/7925 "2024-09-20T12:06:52Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Reminds of a meme that I saw during the Trump presidency: > > “This whole thing could have been avoided if someone had told Trump that Obama could hold his breath for 20 minutes.” FWIW, I heard Harris can hold hers for 22 minutes. Walz said he’s made it to 15 minutes. I bet loser Trump can’t even hold his breath for 10, because he’s a loser. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588/7926 "2024-09-20T12:43:39Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > [@Dandan](#): > > > > He should also hold his breath, whiIe waiting. > > > > Dan > > I’ve got a plastic bag from my dry cleaner he can use, if he wants… Now I’m having flashbacks to Ben Kingsley in “Lucky Number Slevin”. Or was it “House of Sand and Fog”? No wait, it was both! ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588/7927 "2024-09-20T13:40:48Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > “House of Sand and Fog” As good as the movie is, [the novel is even better](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/38311414-house-of-sand-and-fog). /hijack ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588/7928 "2024-09-20T14:10:44Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > FWIW, I heard Harris can hold hers for 22 minutes. Walz said he’s made it to 15 minutes. I bet loser Trump can’t even hold his breath for 10, because he’s a loser. Ok, what piece of pop culture did I miss? ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588/7929 "2024-09-20T14:26:04Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > He does have a somewhat viable point. She repeats her talking points a lot, nearly verbatim. That makes her come off a bit stilted. Adept speakers can find ways to say the same things differently Yep. More than one thing can be true at once. It’s true that the conservative media’s attempt at a talking point that Kamala just speaks in word salad and platitudes is in bad faith given that: 1. Their chosen candidate is far worse of course 2. They have had to dishonestly edit Kamala’s responses to questions, cutting out the bits where she gets to the specifics However, it’s also true that when she’s asked for her specific policies on the economy, she should not start her response by reciting her story about where she grew up verbatim. Yes, she got to the policy specifics eventually, but she has to be a bit more savvy about she answers such questions in future. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588/7930 "2024-09-20T14:45:47Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > she should not start her response by reciting her story about where she grew up verbatim. Or at all. I thought it came across as contrived during the debate, and IMO it’s just a distraction. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588/7931 "2024-09-20T14:46:36Z")
When I go to the grocery store, I swing by (what passes for) the newsstand to check the headlines on the few newspapers they carry. There was one just above the fold of the Wall Street Journal that said something like “Trump, Harris Economic Plans Set to Add to Deficit”. A few paragraphs in, it mentioned that Harris’s economic plan includes tax increases and cuts to other programs to pay for the spending she is proposing, and Trump’s doesn’t. So apparently the specifics are available, and not being reported fairly. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588/7932 "2024-09-20T14:54:36Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Or at all. I thought it came across as contrived during the debate, and IMO it’s just a distraction. YMMV Yep. To be clear on my position: personal stories are fine – connecting with an audience is a necessary part of campaigning, even if some of us don’t need it. But, not verbatim, not at the start of a response and not so often. > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > So apparently the specifics are available, and not being reported fairly. Yes and I’ve been stunned by the dishonesty even if I should be used to it by now. On Megyn Kelly, they didn’t do something as minor as picking a misleading excerpt of Kamala’s response to a question on the economy… They actually _spliced together 4 or 5 pieces_, from one response, knowingly cutting out the bits where Kamala gave specific data and proposals, to then run a segment about how she just speaks in vague platitudes. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588/7933 "2024-09-20T15:00:35Z")
That should be illegal. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588/7934 "2024-09-20T15:08:00Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > knowingly cutting out the bits where Kamala gave specific data and proposals, to then run a segment about how she just speaks in vague platitudes. When I’ve been shown those types of things, I’ve responded “ya know that wasn’t some secret interview, you can watch the whole thing on youtube and see what he\* actually said”. \*Until now, this was usually about Biden or Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588/7935 "2024-09-20T16:05:20Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > However, it’s also true that when she’s asked for her specific policies on the economy, she should not start her response by reciting her story about where she grew up verbatim. > Yes, she got to the policy specifics eventually, but she has to be a bit more savvy about she answers such questions in future. > [@Mijin](#): > > To be clear on my position: personal stories are fine – connecting with an audience is a necessary part of campaigning, even if some of us don’t need it. But, not verbatim, not at the start of a response and not so often. All of us in this thread are politics junkies. Harris is not talking to us. She’s talking to people who listen to a politician somewhere between rarely and never. I think her tactic is perfect for them–she needs to make a “personal” connection, that she is similar to the listener, first and foremost. Specific policies are important only in the sense that she’s thought about them and they sound helpful to the listener. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588/7936 "2024-09-20T16:08:07Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > All of us in this thread are politics junkies. Harris is not talking to us. This. Most people, if they hear her at all, only hear her a couple of times in passing. If she happens to say the same thing both of those times, that’s good. That’s consistency. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588/7937 "2024-09-20T16:34:04Z")
It’s called a stump speech. A candidate says the same speech to people who haven’t heard the speech before. It’s been a thing since candidate literally stood on a tree stump to give the speech then ride a horse to the next town. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588/7938 "2024-09-20T17:03:26Z")
Its similar to the teleprompter ballyhoo. Take something every candidate does, including your guy, point out that their candidate does it and say its a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588/7939 "2024-09-20T17:08:32Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > FWIW, I heard Harris can hold hers for 22 minutes. Walz said he’s made it to 15 minutes. I bet loser Trump can’t even hold his breath for 10, because he’s a loser. Trumps love, Kim Jong Un could help him ‘train’. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588/7940 "2024-09-20T17:52:44Z")
Governor Dewine of Ohio [did an op-ed this morning](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/20/opinion/springfield-haitian-migrants-ohio.html) in the NYT. He defended the Haitian community admirably, then ruined the entire column by saying that he and his wife are Trump/Vance supporters. What a fucking coward. Comments on the piece really raked him over the coals for being a wimp and kowtowing to Trump instead of completely disavowing his agenda. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588.md?page=396) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-3/986588.md?page=398)