# New user sees ignorance here on the Dope (about Trump) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 7, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612 "2024-06-07T20:20:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2024, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612/121 "2024-06-08T23:19:52Z")
I’m just glad to see @Sam_Stone posting again, even if he’s using a sock for some reason ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2024, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612/122 "2024-06-08T23:39:57Z")
> [@jimcommonsense](#): > > Sorry, I don’t live on my phone like you losers TIL that the internet only works for about an hour a week in trailer parks. ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2024, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612/123 "2024-06-08T23:42:39Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > That’s why we can’t have a balanced budget; Biden is spending it all on Warhammer minis. Just finished building a new set of shelves for my models… Can confirm this will destroy the national budget. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2024, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612/124 "2024-06-08T23:57:56Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > I think the OP makes an important point here that is being totally overlooked: Biden _weaponized_ the DOJ. Like, the whole thing, FBI and all. I heard he even sent a **kill team** to Mar a Lago with orders to take care of Trump once and for all! And we can see from Trump being found guilty and so many of Trump’s associates being put in jail already that Biden clearly knows how to use this weaponized DOJ. He won’t hesitate to do it and in fact he has been doing it this whole time. I bet that, just like me, you can’t wait for the Orange Messiah to return to the throne next January, at which point there will be **[a welcome return to peace and normality](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4311194-trump-signals-revenge-in-second-term/)** … > [Trump] told supporters last week he would direct the Justice Department (DOJ) to investigate “every Marxist prosecutor in America.” > > And Trump over the weekend vowed to “root out … the radical-left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country.” > > Trump’s own words have made increasingly clear how fixated he is on revenge and targeting his perceived enemies if he wins a second term in the White House next November … > > … Trump’s own words paint a clear picture of an individual appearing increasingly fixated on targeting those he believes have wronged him if he is able to return to the White House, and he is using exceedingly incendiary rhetoric to make his point … > > … Trump in June wrote on social media that he would appoint a special prosecutor to “go after” Biden, his family and “all others involved with the destruction of our elections, borders, & country itself.”. I can hardly wait for this new era of peace, tranquility, and social harmony being advocated by our new join, jimthelunatic. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2024, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612/125 "2024-06-08T23:59:07Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > I think the OP makes an important point here that is being totally overlooked: Biden _weaponized_ the DOJ. Like, the whole thing, FBI and all. I heard he even sent a **kill team** to Mar a Lago with orders to take care of Trump once and for all! And we can see from Trump being found guilty and so many of Trump’s associates being put in jail already that Biden clearly knows how to use this weaponized DOJ. He won’t hesitate to do it and in fact he has been doing it this whole time. > > Damn, Joe Biden sounds absurdly powerful and sounds like someone I don’t want to mess with. You know, I had been thinking that Biden was this slow, harmless old guy but now I see that is all an act and Biden is actually smart, capable and vicious. He’s even got his weaponized DOJ trying his own son! Now that’s a kind of leader you’d be crazy to go up against. I think I’d rather be on Biden’s side. Thanks for enlightening me! Don’t forget that Biden is arguing in front of the Supreme Court that it’s perfectly legal for the president to weponize the DOJ or do anything that would otherwise be illegal (like Mar a Lago hit squads). That is Biden arguing for immunity right? I get people confused sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612/126 "2024-06-09T00:03:06Z")
> [@jimcommonsense](#): > > It’s the left that used and weaponized the DOJ against Trump as they have nothing positive to campaign on. 1. I’m a Republican. 2. Donald Trump was president. While running for President, he campaigned on “draining the swamp” and during his time in office he talked about “the deep state”. These both seem to indicate an awareness of and an intent to remove corrupt, politicized agents from government. 3. Trump only hires the best, is a very stable genius, can make Mexico pay for our construction projects, can end the war in Ukraine within moments of getting the job back, solve religious wars in the Middle East, etc. So we should also be able to _expect_ that he would be able to _actually_ drain the swamp and solve the Deep State. And since _he was already President_, we can all safely say that these have both been solved. 4. _To be fair_, Biden came in and has had a chance to undo some of that. He replaced the head of the DOJ for example. That is true. But Biden can’t (practically) change the head of the FBI though. That’s still Trump’s guy. The FBI that we have today is the one that survived all the purges that Trump did or did not do, while in office, under the watch of both Trump and his personal best hire. 5. The DOJ can’t do bupkis without the support of the FBI. Lawyers don’t go and break into safes, they don’t source witnesses, they don’t conduct investigations. And as we’ve said, this is Trump’s FBI that we have today. 6. Likewise, the DOJ can’t do bupkis without the support of judges who will okay warrants. Under Trump, he appointed like the most massive quantity of judges in American history. And, by happenstance, most of the other judges still working even before Trump came in were appointed by the two Bushes and Reagan. All Republicans. Only a minority of Federal judges are Democrats and, of Republicans, the largest percentage are Trump’s. 7. And on that point, the FBI has only ever had a Democratic director once in its 90 year history, for a two month period, once in the 1990s. Other than that, it’s all Republican. Most people who go into policing lean Republican/Libertarian. Point in fact, the only two people in the whole FBI that Trump pushed out were Strzok and Page, two Republicans. 8. Nearly all of Trump’s friends were prosecuted and jailed by his own appointees. Trump’s best picks for the FBI and the DOJ both wrote up reports that said that his closest allies were bad people. Steve Bannon was indicted and prosecuted for ripping off MAGAs by Trump’s people. Trump had to go around them and pardon Bannon. 9. The “Democratic” J6 Committee was basically just a long sequence of on-the-record, sworn on the Bible, go-to-jail for perjury set of witnesses who were all Republicans, most of them hand-picked by DJ Trump saying, “My boss asked me to violate the Constitution and my duties to my fellow citizens, and I just wasn’t able to do that.” So now, to be sure, it’s mostly Democrats who are talking about all this. But the issue isn’t with what the Democrats are saying, it’s with what the Republicans are saying and that the other ones are refusing to listen. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612/127 "2024-06-09T00:06:14Z")
The only difference between Donald Trump and jimcommonsense is that Trump can afford to pay a woman to have sex with him. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612/128 "2024-06-09T00:20:54Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > > [@jimcommonsense](#): > > > > Sorry, I don’t live on my phone like you losers > > TIL that the internet only works for about an hour a week in trailer parks. Or it could be that he’s got good conscientious parents who limit his screen time. #It’s\_a\_SIN\_to\_vote\_for\_a\_Republican ---
**Author:** ![Mr.E](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.e/32/8932_2.png) [@Mr.E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.E)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612/129 "2024-06-09T00:33:05Z")
The funny thing is nobody is more glued to screens than Donald Trump, who as President famously tweeted at all hours of the day and night and routinely responded to Fox News programming in a way that made it obvious he watched it for hours a day. ---
**Author:** ![jimcommonsense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/94ad74/32.png) [@jimcommonsense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimcommonsense)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612/130 "2024-06-09T00:58:20Z")
And win the appeal lololol. Another historical lefty failure to add to the list that keeps growing. ---
**Author:** ![jimcommonsense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/94ad74/32.png) [@jimcommonsense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimcommonsense)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612/131 "2024-06-09T00:59:43Z")
Again, try that in English. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612/132 "2024-06-09T01:00:29Z")
Trump’s account was manned by several individuals. The posting habits of the account don’t necessarily give you much insight into his working habits. As best I’ve read, he mostly views his job as being to call and nag people for stuff, incessantly - and everyone seems to agree that he’s real good at it. That’s how he’s always able, for example, to find someone who will finance his new venture, pay his bond, etc. We also know from his recent trial, that he is a penny pincher who reviews every dollar going out. From reading transcripts of his own statements to lawyers in various lawsuits, from before he was president or even running for president, he doesn’t seem to pay attention to much other than that. I read one example where his kids and other employees were complaining about the work being done to design a new hotel that the Trump org had been hired to manage, and he was just believing anything anyone told him, giving them the okay to scrap all the work, redo everything, and successively reappointing the task to whoever was asking for it. He had no self-awareness of how dysfunctional his own management style was. Given that he’s gone from being a person who builds and manages buildings to, mostly, being a person who rents out his name to others, I think he’s subconsciously realized that his businesses run better if he just focuses on self-promotion so I’d personally put “keeping an eye on how he’s presented on TV and in print” as an important part of his duties and, probably, the thing that he’s best suited for other than nagging. It wouldn’t be unreasonable for him to spend a significant amount of time on it. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612/133 "2024-06-09T01:00:30Z")
A Flesch-Kincaid analysis of the first 30,000 words spoken by Presidents for the last couple generations puts Trump’s vocabulary at a 4th grade level. Think about that. _“The fundamental principle of all propaganda was the repetition of effective arguments; but those arguments must not be too refined – there was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyway always yield to the stronger, and this will always be the man in the street. Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not to the intellect. Truth was unimportant, and entirely subordinate to the tactics and psychology, but convenient lies (“poetic truth”, as he once called them) must always be made credible.”_ –Hugh Trevor-Roper, English historian, paraphrasing Joseph Goebbels, WWII German Propaganda Minister And Trump “loves the poorly educated.” Think. Do better. At least try. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612/134 "2024-06-09T01:01:48Z")
Does anyone have a good recipe for cheesecake? ---
**Author:** ![jimcommonsense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/94ad74/32.png) [@jimcommonsense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimcommonsense)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612/135 "2024-06-09T01:02:10Z")
Sorry you can’t debate or refute the fact that everything was better 4 years ago No wars Better economy Lower unemployment Businesses were not failing No supply shortages Lower crime > **hid offensive part of the reply** > > Men were men, and not pretend women > Etc ---
**Author:** ![jimcommonsense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/94ad74/32.png) [@jimcommonsense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimcommonsense)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612/136 "2024-06-09T01:02:58Z")
Winning arguments that you can’t fight against. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.E](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.e/32/8932_2.png) [@Mr.E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.E)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612/137 "2024-06-09T01:04:19Z")
A sudden flurry of activity, Jim’s mom must have let him have his phone back. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612/138 "2024-06-09T01:08:58Z")
> [@jimcommonsense](#): > > Better economy > Lower unemployment May 2020 unemployment rate: [13.3%](https://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_06052020.pdf) May 2024 unemployment rate: [4.0%](https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf) Q2 2020 GDP [declined at an annual rate of 32.9%](https://www.bea.gov/news/2020/gross-domestic-product-2nd-quarter-2020-advance-estimate-and-annual-update). Q1 2024 GDP (the most recent number we have) grew at [an annual rate of 1.3%](https://www.bea.gov/data/gdp/gross-domestic-product). Four years ago **sucked** , both in comparison to now, and in the absolute. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612/139 "2024-06-09T01:11:50Z")
> [@jimcommonsense](#): > > No wars Biden hasn’t started any wars. > [@jimcommonsense](#): > > Better economy Nope, not by a long shot > [@jimcommonsense](#): > > Lower unemployment Nope. Not by a long shot > [@jimcommonsense](#): > > Businesses were not failing Some were, some weren’t. I haven’t looked (and neither have you) but I’d guess business failures are lower now. > [@jimcommonsense](#): > > No supply shortages Um, yeah. There were some of those. > [@jimcommonsense](#): > > Lower crime Nope. > [@jimcommonsense](#): > > Men were men, and not pretend women Well, that’s interesting. But yes, there were trans people four years ago. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612/140 "2024-06-09T01:13:12Z")
> [@jimcommonsense](#): > > No wars The US was fighting the Afghanistan war during the entirety of Trump’s presidency. Currently we are fighting no wars. > [@jimcommonsense](#): > > Better economy The economy collapsed in March 2020 and is now even bigger than it was before Trump’s term. > [@jimcommonsense](#): > > Businesses were not failing > [@jimcommonsense](#): > > Lower unemployment Unemployment was 13% in April 2020; it’s under 4% now. > [@jimcommonsense](#): > > Businesses were not failing Nearly a third of all small businesses failed in 2020. > **[Millions of Small Businesses Closed in 2020: The Long Recovery Ahead - Small...](https://sbecouncil.org/2021/01/21/millions-of-small-businesses-closed-in-2020-the-long-recovery-ahead/)** > >   by Raymond J. Keating- The devastation from COVID-19 has been brutal. According to the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center (accessed on January 20), global deaths due to the pandemic have topped 2.06 million, and that includes more than... > [@jimcommonsense](#): > > No supply shortages OP still has a shed full of toilet paper he bought in March 2020, I guarantee it. > [@jimcommonsense](#): > > Lower crime I don’t see any race riots happenimg.right now. > [@jimcommonsense](#): > > Men were men, and not pretend women Does noted Trump supporter Caitlyn Jenner, who’s been living as a woman since 2015, know about this? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-user-sees-ignorance-here-on-the-dope-about-trump/1002612.md?page=8)