New washing machines that actually rinse out all the soap

More like 44-18=26 extra minutes, but, yes… you can add a “medic rinse” to a normal cycle (not Quick 30, though)— you do not have to run it separately. However, like @Reply says, it is an old model, and I have no idea what current regulations allow.

I dunno, German showers routinely have higher water pressure than American ones. Enough so that the standard fixture lets you select the volume, and many Germans routinely use less than full volume.

I just had another load that smells vaguely of body odor. :pleading_face:

Should i give up on front loaders and get a top loader? I don’t really trust modern efficient top loaders, and front loaders, in theory, ought to be more effective with restricted water. But they do take longer.

I love my top loader but that’s my preference.
Easier on the wallet and my back.
Also, I couldn’t fit a front loader in my home even if I wanted too.

Mine is from 2019 so it’s a bit older but I have never had to call for service and it has been well behaved as machines go.

Never any trouble with getting things clean. No smells.
I always leave the lid open after using the machine.

I mostly use the Quick Wash feature which is about 40 minutes.

I used the Normal cycle with Extra Rinse recently to wash my winter coat which had an oily food stain and it took and hour and an half. :scream:

But the stain was gone (with pre treatment of course).

The long cycles are what I hate about the new machines.
I will never leave my house with an appliance running so I have to wait it out.

I lobbied hard for a top-loader the last time we replaced the washer and I’m glad I did. But we got one without an impeller. (or whatever you call that center screw shaped thing.) While I appreciate the increased amount of laundry I can put in the tub, I’m not sure it does as good a job. When I buy another one, I’m going full 1990’s and getting an old-fashioned one entirely. No electronic board, no fancy anything. None of it works as it should IMHO.

Do you mean you got one without an agitator, the post that sticks up in the center of a washer? An impeller is much more low profile and looks more like fins along the bottom, which it sounds like might be what you bought.

My understanding is that washers with an impeller aren’t actually supposed to be able to handle more laundry than one with an agitator. You’re supposed to place clothes around the perimeter of the drum and leave the center open, just as if there was an agitator there. Otherwise the impeller can’t move water effectively enough to really clean clothes. I avoided buying one just for that reason.

How do you fill a top-loading washing machine without an agitator while leave the center open? Doesn’t gravity just make a (perhaps smaller) pile of clothes on the bottom?

I am absolutely not an expert on these matters and I will defer to those who are, but I’ll relate some recent experiences.

When I first moved into this house about 16 years ago, I bought an LG washer and dryer set. The washer was a high-tech front-loader.

The default water settings used so little water that I usually turned it up to “extra water” settings for wash and rinse. When the main bearing failed and I had to replace it, I went with a high-efficiency Maytag top loader.

I much prefer it because even at default settings, it thoroughly soaks the laundry. It runs for a while with a limited amount of water to wash the items with a concentrated amount of detergent, and then pours in a lot more hot water to thoroughly soak the items. There is also the option to pretty much fill the tub instead of auto-sensing, like old-style washing machines.

And then I have it set to run two rinse cycles.

One thing I read somewhere which is absolutely true is that the detergent instructions (at least, with Tide Oxy which is what I use) suggest using far more than necessary. And it leaves detergent residue. So I limit the amount of detergent I use to less than “recommended”.

The proof of this, at least with the former front-loader, was letting it go through a whole wash and rinse cycle, and then running another wash cycle. Behold all the suds that never got rinsed out!

Bottom line is that personally I much prefer top-loaders because of their ability to thoroughly soak and thoroughly rinse the clothing. Yes, it’s at the expense of greater water use, but when it comes to washing, after all, water is your friend! :slight_smile:

ETA: Maybe just because I’m a traditionalist old pup, but the Magtag top loader I chose is one with an impeller, not the kind that just has a bunch of ridges at the bottom of the tub.

Just like you load one with an agitator - you place clothes around the perimeter of the drum and leave the center open like a donut hole.

Don’t the clothes fall into the donut hole?

Probably once the machine starts and swishes everything around. When I’ve used a friend’s impeller washer I had no problem just laying the clothes along the outside and building up from the bottom. Maybe because I laid each item flat and not bunched up?

Okay, y’all have definitely talked me out of one of those ones with no agitator. I don’t want to have to carefully place each item in the drum.

Oops, I think I used the word “impeller” incorrectly in my previous post. I meant “agitator”, and this is what I believe in. I’ve watched YouTube videos of top-loaders with those “impeller” things at the bottom and the laundry seems to have a hard time circulating. With my old-fashioned albeit modern style agitator in the new Maytag top loader, things swish around just fine and get nicely clean. Yes, the great big stalk is in the way when you’re trying to wash something like a thick queen-size comforter, but IMHO it really does provide for better washing.

I think the extra time is the time the heater inside the washer takes to heat the water hotter than what your water heater supplies. I know on my front loader every time I choose an extra hot option the time shoots up considerably.

I love my LG front loader. I think I’ve had it maybe 4 years now? No bad smells, I leave it open when not in use. I use a teaspoon or less of liquid Tide Our water is so hard and rusty, though that I use two tablespoons of Borax in the tub for every load. It also makes a nice presoak mixed with Tide or Dawn for stains. Laundry gets clean and smells good. However, Hubster has a peculiar odor about him and it sticks to his clothes, nothing I’ve tried gets it out. I think it has to do with his illness and some of the many medications he takes. I’ve tried the laundramat, vinegar, commercil scent beads and rinces. Nothing completely eradicates it. It isn’t gag worthy or anything it’s just there, and I can’t budge it. Annoying.

I never noticed any odors before i got this machine, about a year ago. And the odors i notice now just smell like dirty laundry. The machine has a nice little magnetic tab to hold the door ajar, and we haven’t had any issues with mildew.

I never noticed this odor until he got Parkinson’s and went on all the meds. I’ve had every sort of washer and we’ve been married for 42 years. I cannot imagine what else could explain it. I even used to use the bargain brand stuff like extra or whatever. Changing to Tide helped, but nothing completely removes it.

I’ve found that synthetic fabrics hold onto odors that will never go away, no matter what you try.

Every time I’ve needed to have a washer repaired, the technician routinely asks me how much detergent we add. They’ve been uniform in their recommendation that we use no more than ONE OUNCE, unless the clothes are extremely dirty.

Top loader or front loader, one ounce works just fine at least 95% of the time. The other five percent is usually just individual stains and I rub a little liquid detergent directly on them.

I use one teaspoon. I literally use a kitchen measuring spoon. It’s not really enough soap, but i have more troubles from soap residue than from under-cleaning.

Back when I used powder or liquid detergents I once measured out the difference between the detergent container’s scoop size and the washer manufacturer’s recommended detergent quantity.

If you followed the detergent’s fine-print instructions carefully and used the barely visible fill line near the bottom of the scoop you were using 3x the amount of detergent the washer wanted. If you took a full scoop you were using over 10x the necessary amount of detergent.


Just like the toothpaste commercials that show a brush being heaped with 5x (or more) the amount of toothpaste necessary. If they can teach the public to waste 4/5ths of the product, they quintupled their sales. That’s a very high leverage play for their marketing team.