# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 103
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2041 "2010-08-13T15:18:31Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Did you say anything to the healer? I never paid much attention to pets when healing on my priest, because most of my heals are AoE (Circle of Healing, Prayer of Mending, Prayer of Healing). But I’ve realized on my pally – all single target heals – that I’ve never really paid any attention to pets except for occasionally dispelling debuffs. It’s a little bit of a learning curve. Nope I think I will last time, I had healed him a bit on one of the trash pulls when he pulled aggro but on the last boss fight he died while I was in meta so I thought a heal was a waste of optimal dps time. > [@JayRx1981](#): > > I suspect many healers don’t realize they need to pay some attention to pet health. Heck, it wouldn’t surprise me if some didn’t know they even could. I only found out about it way back when because I couldn’t figure out why Wild Growth wasn’t hitting all 5 group members when we were bunched up till one day I targeted a pet with it ticking away. Needless to say, i’ve now set up a pet frame in Vuhdo, though I will admit to giving your pets a lower priority than anyone except asshat DPS who pull instead of the tank or stand in stuff all the time and expect to be healed through. 😉 > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Healbot pretty much gives pets equal billing to anyone else, so I tend to give them about as much attention as other DPS; they tend to die a bit more often than anyone else in groups I heal just because they (a) usually don’t have as many hp and (b) aren’t as smart as (most) humans about stepping out of bad stuff et cetera. > [@Skammer](#): > > Also, thinking about this some more.. pets don’t show up on Grid which is what I use to heal. Unless Grid can be configured to show them..? I never looked into it. There is a Grid layout I use on my pally which is ‘5 man w pets’ or something like that and I didn’t run with that for a while myself and as you all know if it isn’t on your healing frames it might as well not exist. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2042 "2010-08-13T15:22:45Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > What about it are you unable to do? You basically have to keep moving or else he’s going to toss a gas attack at you, but you also have to keep an eye on the “pet”…you really don’t want to have too much of a gap between the death of one of those mutations and gaining control of the next. You can actually begin casting the charm spell on the next mutation when there’s still a bubble or two of health on the first one. Not too much time, though…if the old mutation is still alive when the new mutation’s control actually begins, the old mutation will run to attack you. I have failed 3 times now, first time I was stood in bad (very dumb) second time I charmed a second troll before the first died so it was two against one and last night I pulled aggro from some ghoul things while running around. Careless all three times hence my frustration is really aimed at myself. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > As I recall, anyone (who’s up there at the right time) can loot his head and finish the quest; when I did the quest the first time there was a night elf hunter there at the same time and we double-teamed him with the controlled trolls. > > I’ve had a bit of a problem with that quest in that my shadow priest heals tend to keep troll #1 alive beyond the end of the mind control’s duration, which leaves me facing both Drakuru and a pissed off troll. They all failed unfortunately it seems everyone was having trouble. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2043 "2010-08-13T15:25:30Z")
Healing a pet is the same as healing a DPS. You need to do it unless the tank is a global away from dying. A DPS needing to heal his or her pet is taking globals away from their DPS, which what you’re there to prevent. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2044 "2010-08-13T15:43:42Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > I have a Demo warlock but I’m also a Disc priest with an extremely casual/lazy attitude towards pet healing. I’ll heal your pet if I’m super-bored (or a hunter’s pet after a rez), but otherwise, that’s your job to deal with. Sorry. Playing my warlock or hunter, I’m astonished when I see heals on them; it’s pretty rare and definitely not something I’m expecting. > > Oh, and in anything larger than a 5-man? Pets are not my concern, ever. I’m too stressed playing Whack-A-Mole on people’s health bars to even use any screen real estate on monitoring the pets. When I’m healing (and I’ve only run 5 man heroics) I consider pets on a par with dps and heal them as such. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2045 "2010-08-13T16:26:43Z")
I only heal in raids, and only rarely, because I hate raiding. Way too much stress. Our guild has the general policy of ‘seriously, in raids, your pets are not a priority.’ So it works out. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2046 "2010-08-13T16:31:41Z")
A Disc priest in a raid is going to be freelancing if they touch a DPS anyway (I do, if the tanks are all well over 50% or I see a dps on death’s door). If anyone’s going to bother healing the pets it should be the raid heals. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2047 "2010-08-13T16:46:50Z")
Yeah, we pretty much always have at least one shaman bouncing chain heals around, and I’m sure pets eat up some of those. I tend to - if I’m not going insane at the moment - drop a Renew or PW:Shield on anyone with some damage on them, but that’s all I can manage to pay attention to; I’m not going to add pets onto my Grid and complicate it more than my tiny, easily-distracted brain can handle. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2048 "2010-08-13T17:16:26Z")
Last night I tank healed our DK tank through Team 2’s ICC10. That was fun. Although I have to say, it’s a bit demoralizing to realize that the dot the big adds in LDW’s room put on you to make you explode can now kill your cloth-clad butt. 😛 I wound up throwing out heals like confetti on the rest of the raid when he didn’t need it and the raid needed topping off. Despite that I don’t think I ran out of mana much at all, so it seems like I finally have a decent balance of stats. And now I know I can tank or raid heal fine, so whee. Grid has a pet frame up and I’ll throw a renew on them if I have a GCD free. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2049 "2010-08-13T17:23:05Z")
Pets are really only an issue in 5-mans. In raids, the raid healer(s) are going to using bouncing/AoE heals that will take care of the pets. It’s single-target healers in 5-mans who probably need to make sure they are watching the pets’ health bars. ---
**Author:** ![Mekhazzio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@Mekhazzio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mekhazzio)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2050 "2010-08-13T18:13:08Z")
Pets shouldn’t need healing at all, 99.9% of the time, and the pet owner can cover that other 0.1%. All pets take **massively** reduced AOE damage in PVE and are ignored by most serious attacks. In the case of a demo warlock in particular, they’ve got a pet that is exceptionally sturdy and sucks down significant constant passive healing from any damage the warlock is doing. If your pet is taking damage, that means it’s taking **direct** damage, which means one of two things: 1. It’s pulling aggro, which means either your tank is incompetent, or you haven’t turned off your pet’s aggro generating ability. Or both. 2. It’s getting hit by a fight-specific mechanic, which you should be aware of and take steps to deal with. For example, in Gundrak, the troll mobs named “Lancer” put up a Retaliation when they get to low health, making them counterattack on any melee attack. This will very quickly destroy any fast attacker. A rogue or enhancement shaman can die instantaneously from it (not even kidding), and they’d be just as wrong to blame the healer for it as a pet owner would be. The end boss also has a whirlwind that puts on a strong bleed. While the pet barely notices the whirlwind itself, the bleed will kill them very quickly regardless of healing and it’s up to the owner to pull them out of melee before & during the whirlwind just as an actual melee should do. Blizzard has been very lenient in making pets almost so carefree that they’re just a fancy looking DOT, but there are still basics to remember when using one. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2051 "2010-08-13T18:36:46Z")
As a Hunter, I realize my pet is my responsibility and I don’t expect a healer to heal him unless there’s nothing else to heal 😃 (like that happens!). I was really happy when someone rezzed my pet, because I was waiting until we started the battle again (it was a wipe, except I Feigned Death) because Heart of the Phoenix rezzes the pet where it died (so in the middle of the mob). ---
**Author:** ![hdc\_bst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9f8e36/32.png) [@hdc\_bst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hdc_bst)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2052 "2010-08-13T20:08:45Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I ended up having to strip completely naked … and _then_ punch them into submission so that I could tranq and tag them. This is how a real man would do it to begin with :). ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2053 "2010-08-13T20:33:39Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > > > Wow. That IS one ugly-ass tabard. But congratulations! > > Yeah, sadly the achievement tabards are consistently ugly. The Ebon Knights’ and the Argent-whatever lot are about the only game-designed tabards which don’t look like barf on a cake (either in general or when worn by certain body types). The tabard that Paladins get (at least Horde-side) for doing the level 70 questline is my favorite in the game. I can’t remember the name of it though, so no link. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2054 "2010-08-13T20:38:54Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > The tabard that Paladins get (at least Horde-side) for doing the level 70 questline is my favorite in the game. I can’t remember the name of it though, so no link. It’s the [Blood Knight Tabard](http://www.wowhead.com/item=25549/blood-knight-tabard), and yes, it’s one of the best in the game. It’s a shame that the only way to get it is to go through a long, expensive, and unnecessary quest chain (paladins get their level 60 horses for free now), but it’s totally worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2055 "2010-08-13T21:13:05Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > [Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/eilyssana_loremaster.jpg) > 🆒:D:cool: Looks like you’ve been eating too many Mustard Dogs! ---
**Author:** ![aktep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f0a364/32.png) [@aktep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aktep)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2056 "2010-08-13T21:18:22Z")
Anyone have any experience with 10 man Yogg-saron and have some tips for our brain room team I can pass along? All our attempts last night ended with the brain room team either going insane because they didn’t do enough damage to escape, being killed in the brain room, or getting out of the brain room but not having enough time to actually damage the brain. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2057 "2010-08-13T21:25:26Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Topic #3 – Following that run, several asked me (again) to join their guild, so I did. I have really mixed emotions though - not about the new guild, which is a nice, mature, casual raiding group (exactly what I was looking for) but I feel really guilty about leaving the Burning Dog Legion. I still want to help out with the BDL raids if there is a spot for me, either with my priest or my new pally (who is staying in the BDL along with my 71 tank and my other alts). I don’t want to sound like a drama queen but I hope no one is too disappointed that I did it. It just seemed Kene had hit the ceiling of what he could do without easier access to raiding. Hopefully people are saying “Uh, skammer, get over yourself - we don’t really care that much.” 🙂 ☹ \<---- That’s me…totally bummed. Good luck though! Can I still send you stuff to DE and mats for Frostweave Bags? If you need a PUG, recommend me if you need a mdps. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2058 "2010-08-13T21:39:24Z")
Absolutely on both counts, Yeti! ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2059 "2010-08-14T01:14:51Z")
I know y’all don’t need _me_ to tell you this, but let’s keep on letting this thread be the nicest one on the whole Dope. I have bragged on this since I discovered y’all so don’t make me regret it, okay? [stated as a stern “dad” who loves everyone who has helped me level!:)] Quasi ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2060 "2010-08-14T01:21:35Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Expressions of joy and desires for continuous happiness, **Mister Rik**! > > > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > > > Wow. That IS one ugly-ass tabard. But congratulations! > > Yeah, sadly the achievement tabards are consistently ugly. The Ebon Knights’ and the Argent-whatever lot are about the only game-designed tabards which don’t look like barf on a cake (either in general or when worn by certain body types). > > **Q** , you don’t need a given skill level to equip a weapon. So long as you have the skill itself, it can be at skill-level 1 and you’ll still be able to equip it. Thanks **Nava!** 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=102) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=104)