# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 105
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2081 "2010-08-16T17:13:17Z")
Gah, wrong thread. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Daedelus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daedelus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2082 "2010-08-16T17:15:32Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Yeah, those are the only i251+ weapons I have had drop for me, period. My current “raiding schedule” as 25-man alternate has me raiding maybe 1 day every two weeks. [The mace off of Rotface](http://www.wowhead.com/item=50810) is rather good, especially for what is available to you (assuming you run 10s more often than you do 25s). Plus, it might help your +hit situation. > [@Oakminster](#): > > What is the WG situation on your server? > > I’m on Elune, and we pretty much own WG. Horde rarely even bother to offer more than token resistance. While it’s fun to win, I can’t help thinking this has to suck from the Horde point of view. They’re virtually shut out of doing VOA, missing out on 4 frost emblems a week (huge for those not raiding ICC),collecting stonekeeper shards, or having access to the vendors. > > From a design point of view, is it a good idea to merge the PVP and PVE worlds in this way? > > I dunno what it is about WG–Horde just doesn’t seem to care. It’s really unusual—Horde tends to dominate most other BGs, from what I’ve seen, in our battlegroup. They win so rarely, it is not unusual to see freaking 'locks with nearly 100K hp with tenacity–and that is a crime against all that is right and Holy… On Korgath, Wintergrasp almost always switches factions every time it’s up for contest, and whoever is defending is usually ousted. However, there are quite a few issues with the Wintergrasp design, and Blizzard has acknowledged that they want things to be very different in Cataclysm and are designing Tol Barad to be significantly different. Hopefully, they will be able to follow through and get the design right (they are balancing the # of people who can join the fight for one faction based on the # from the other faction; the area will be a daily quest hub while “owned” and an area for world PvP during that time, etc.). I think one of the things that many vanilla players and Blizzard themselves have been trying to bring back is world PvP and the feeling that there is a war between the factions. Mixing PvP and PvE has been an issue since they introduced a path for epic items through PvP, and balancing the two has been an issue that they still struggle with. > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > So far, so good with the new guild. I’ve been getting quite a bit of positive feedback about my tanking,\* as well as a chance to hash out some helpful discussion about gear with other tanks who have more experience with these hardmodes than I do. Time to start focusing some more on Armor, wooooo. > > \*I have recently made the observation that, both in WoW and in real life, incompetent people tend to call me incompetent, while competent people tend to think I’m also competent. It could be coincidence, but I can’t help but suspect that at least part of it has something to do with blaming anyone but themselves for their own failures. > > …snip… > > Oh, and **Daedelus** , I’d been meaning to thank you for hooking me up with that GDKP run, but then you were offline all week. 😃 Glad that you’re enjoying the guild, **SFG**. Hopefully we can work out that 10-man situation so that you’re seeing Heroic LK in 10s this upcoming reset and learning the fight. I wasn’t on due to being swamped with my thesis (which is now finished, woo!) but I should be on more regularly and we can talk then. I’m glad you got into that GDKP run (I know that it’s usually overrun with people who want in - glad that you got in anyway). Hopefully it won’t ever have to happen again, but it’s always good to know about those kind of runs when you need them. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2083 "2010-08-16T17:36:33Z")
> [@Daedelus](#): > > I think one of the things that many vanilla players and Blizzard themselves have been trying to bring back is world PvP and the feeling that there is a war between the factions. Mixing PvP and PvE has been an issue since they introduced a path for epic items through PvP, and balancing the two has been an issue that they still struggle with. I’m not sure mingling PVP and PVE is a good plan. PVE folks really shouldn’t have to depend on PVPers to make PVE content available, nor should they feel forced to do PVP if that isn’t their thing. PVPers shouldn’t get to just rack up on easy kills when the carebears come peeking into the world of ultra-violence. The gear, rotation, skillset…everything in PVP is wildly different from what it is in PVE. Better, imho, to keep the two widely separated. The Horde/Alliance war thing is vastly over-rated. Nobody really cares about that outside of the BGs, and there if you just randomly assigned everybody to a generic “red team” or “blue team”, faction would be irrelevant. Might be interesting to find yourself running with some orcs and a tauren for a change… I’d like to see some cooperative play, similar to what CoX did a few issues ago–special missions can only be done when teamed with one or more members of the other side. Maybe a joint raid that takes both an Ally and and a Horde raid group to separately hack through a dungeon to arrive at a common point, and then join forces to beat a BIG BAD dude…possibly a titan. … ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2084 "2010-08-16T17:57:19Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Yeah, I rarely get to do VoA – the rare times we hold it don’t seem to correspond with my playtime. Of course I share the blame; I’ve only joined two WG battles in the last month. I can’t complain about us not having WG if I don’t bother to join the fight. We have improved as Horde on Cairne! The toon [Mishotem](http://www.wow-heroes.com/index.php?zone=us&server=Cairne&name=Mishotem) is usually busting his ass trying to recruit as many Hordies as possible and I think he is partially responsible for our improvement just by spamming the channels for more players. I teamed up with him last night on a seige engine and we plowed through two walls before getting ousted…even got back to the workshop without even being killed! I enjoy attacking the fortress and I usually like being the gunner whenever the opportunity arises and last night we had our best turnout and routed the Alliance. **Skammer** , thanks for getting a few of us into [the 25man Twilight Zone achievement](http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=2054)…that was fun! Almost got the roll on the Twilight Drake! (Two of us got 88s, but then I rerolled a 33 to the other guy’s 44). Got my T10 shoulders this weekend, trying to find the best way to keep hit and expertise capped yet maximize the strength and crit, but it should be a moot point when I get enough frost for the fourth T10 item. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2085 "2010-08-16T18:16:06Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > **Skammer** , thanks for getting a few of us into [the 25man Twilight Zone achievement](http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=2054)…that was fun! Almost got the roll on the Twilight Drake! (Two of us got 88s, but then I rerolled a 33 to the other guy’s 44). I forgot about that! That was fun. I don’t know if I should tell you but according to Shin Kell, that guy who won the drake from you turned around and sold it to someone else in the raid ☹ When we rolled on the Bag of Spoils, I got a 99! But it was a tie… and my tiebreaker roll was a 1. D’oh! ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2086 "2010-08-16T18:22:25Z")
Had an “interesting” situation in my RP guild on Argent Dawn last night, and I’m debating how/if I should address it (I’m neither the Guild Leader nor an officer, though the GL did offer me an officer position yesterday, which I declined because of my current inability to make a suitable time commitment to the job). I should add that, although Argent Dawn doesn’t have a huge, dedicated RP community, our guild _is_ a “light” RP guild, complete with bylaws based on the concepts of serving the greater good and upholding truth and justice. One of our guild members is a level 50 human rogue, and it turns out this player’s “main” is a level 80 _orc_ rogue. Which is fine — I play both sides too, though usually on different servers. So last night, this player was using their orc rogue to “grief” the Stormwind AH, repeatedly killing the auctioneers … and then after each attack, logging in on their _human_ rogue to slyly brag about it in guild chat, and also making it obvious that they were using this human toon (again, a member of our guild) to scout the AH’s defenses before attacking it with their orc toon. Again, attacking the opposing faction’s AH is fine, if that’s what somebody wants to do. And I understand it’s not all that unusual to use a toon of the opposing faction for “scouting” purposes. If somebody wants to do that, I guess that’s fine too. However, from a roleplaying perspective, I have a big problem with this player’s actions. On the one hand, the post-attack boasting is, simply put, tacky. (“Haha, _somebody_ just happened to kill all the SW auctioneers! Who could it have been?” etc., etc.) On the other hand, and again from the RP perspective and considering the stated principles of our guild, this player was essentially admitting — and indeed, _bragging_ about — being a traitor who feeds information about Alliance defenses to the enemy. So I’m considering bringing up my concerns privately with the GL, and pointing out that, while I don’t object to this person playing they way they want to play, I also don’t feel that such actions are in keeping with the principles of our guild. Also, if this player keeps doing this, how long will it be before some observant player notices this same Alliance toon disappearing from the AH immediately before each Horde attack, puts two and two together, and associates this person’s actions with our guild? Thoughts/opinions? ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2087 "2010-08-16T18:34:42Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > > [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > > > **Skammer** , thanks for getting a few of us into [the 25man Twilight Zone achievement](http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=2054)…that was fun! Almost got the roll on the Twilight Drake! (Two of us got 88s, but then I rerolled a 33 to the other guy’s 44). > > I forgot about that! That was fun. I don’t know if I should tell you but according to Shin Kell, that guy who won the drake from you turned around and sold it to someone else in the raid ☹ [This guy, IIRC.](http://www.wow-heroes.com/index.php?zone=us&server=Cairne&name=Tyleri) How much would that have gone for? > [@](#): > > When we rolled on the Bag of Spoils, I got a 99! But it was a tie… and my tiebreaker roll was a 1. D’oh! Yeah, I saw that too…we need to commiserate over a beer or 5. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2088 "2010-08-16T18:43:06Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > [This guy, IIRC.](http://www.wow-heroes.com/index.php?zone=us&server=Cairne&name=Tyleri) … … …_please_ tell me that this DK is using a spellpower/MP5 mace…from the LICH KING no less…for RP? Please? Because nobody that clueless should be allowed to have something as cool as a Twilight Drake. (It doesn’t show up on the Armory, but when I looked at the link you posted, it showed him using Valius, Gavel of the Lightbringer.) ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2089 "2010-08-16T18:52:07Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > We just need to ensure no bad luck on the tombs in P3. Good luck! I bet you guys will get her down. Just a note, though–the tombs have nothing to do with luck and everything to do with skill and raid awareness. > [@](#): > > So now I’m the owner of a fine robotic chicken. No rockets, sadly. Woudln’t it be awesome if you could get a quest to upgrade your chicken to a rocket chicken, instead of having to get the TCG card? > [@Oakminster](#): > > Nobody really cares about that outside of the BGs, and there if you just randomly assigned everybody to a generic “red team” or “blue team”, faction would be irrelevant. Might be interesting to find yourself running with some orcs and a tauren for a change… Now that would be an interesting way to do WG. Wouldn’t make sense from a lore perspective (“Sooooo \*why \*are we fighting each other, again?”), but it would be great in terms of balance. > [@Daedelus](#): > > Hopefully we can work out that 10-man situation so that you’re seeing Heroic LK in 10s this upcoming reset and learning the fight. Not to mention, there are still some Heroic 10-man items that would be useful for me. I should really make a list for my own reference. But yeah, I’d like to get the extra experience on HM Sindri and start seeing Heroic LK. > [@](#): > > Hopefully it won’t ever have to happen again, but it’s always good to know about those kind of runs when you need them. Indeed. I wasn’t even expecting to get in, but he invited me as soon as I whispered him to ask if he had a spot. > [@Skammer](#): > > I don’t know if I should tell you but according to Shin Kell, that guy who won the drake from you turned around and sold it to someone else in the raid ☹ My $0.02: The RL should always specify loot rules for special items like mounts in raid chat before a PUG. In a free-roll situation like this one, you can specify that the person who wins the mount must immediately learn it and can’t trade it to anyone else. Alternatively, if you think someone else should be able to buy the mount, you can set it up as GDKP, where everyone can bid on it and the winning bid is split among all the players. Or you could even set it up so that things worked like your raid, where the winning roll can sell the mount to someone else and keep all the profits. But the essential thing is to get everything down in writing, so that if someone violates that agreement, you at least have a \*chance \*of opening a ticket so that a GM can fix things. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Thoughts/opinions? Get this asshole gkicked now. You don’t need his kind of “fun” in your guild. > [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > How much would that have gone for? Probably at least a few thousand gold, up to tens of thousands. You’d tend to get higher numbers in an open-bid situation (versus one or two people whispering the winner with offers) and the highest amounts with a run that was advertised as GDKP for the mount. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2090 "2010-08-16T18:56:12Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > [This guy, IIRC.](http://www.wow-heroes.com/index.php?zone=us&server=Cairne&name=Tyleri) How much would that have gone for? > [@winterhawk11](#): > > …_please_ tell me that this DK is using a spellpower/MP5 mace…from the LICH KING no less…for RP? Please? I don’t know the answer to either question - Shin Kell seemed to know the story about the drake; maybe he’ll be able to answer. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2091 "2010-08-16T19:20:28Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Get this asshole gkicked now. You don’t need his kind of “fun” in your guild. Yeah, that’s my thinking as well. He/she seems to be one of those people who justifies being a dick by claiming to be “roleplaying a rogue”. I think that’s actually part of the reason TSR (or was it Wizards of the Coast?) changed the name of the old D&D “Thief” class to “Rogue” - too many people thought that being a “thief” entitled them to steal from the other people in their party (though a bigger reason for the change was to deflect criticism that the game “encouraged” players to play “criminals”, and was related to the 2nd Edition replacement of “demons” and “devils” with identical but oddly-renamed monsters). I suspect the GL might share my feelings - while he chuckled the _first_ time this player did it, he remained strangely silent after the second, third, and fourth rounds of boasting. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2092 "2010-08-16T19:26:13Z")
> [@Daedelus](#): > > > [@Zeriel](#): > > > > Yeah, those are the only i251+ weapons I have had drop for me, period. My current “raiding schedule” as 25-man alternate has me raiding maybe 1 day every two weeks. > > [The mace off of Rotface](http://www.wowhead.com/item=50810) is rather good, especially for what is available to you (assuming you run 10s more often than you do 25s). Plus, it might help your +hit situation. Yeah, my biggest problem is that my guild doesn’t have QUITE enough interested people for a second 10-man team, and the A-team is doing ICC10 Heroic right now with a well-balanced group, which leaves me out in the cold a bit. Unfortunately, I have the world’s worst time finding guilds in just about any game–my typical method is to flail around randomly until a friend from elsewhere invites me, which is what I did to get into Conspiracy. Said friend essentially told me she expects me to keep my head down and build a rep as a solid player, then race to get on the A-list when Cataclysm comes out (since my wife is my built-in leveling partner and I’m psycho efficient at leveling anyway). ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2093 "2010-08-16T19:30:57Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > …_please_ tell me that this DK is using a spellpower/MP5 mace…from the LICH KING no less…for RP? It’s probably to juice his gear score in the profile, since his actual offhand is ilvl 251 compared to the 258. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2094 "2010-08-16T19:40:26Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > > [@winterhawk11](#): > > > > …_please_ tell me that this DK is using a spellpower/MP5 mace…from the LICH KING no less…for RP? > > It’s probably to juice his gear score in the profile, since his actual offhand is ilvl 251 compared to the 258. That is so very sad… I mean, I’ve been (very rarely) known to swap out my very good 264 tank trinket for my not so great 277 tank trinket before logging out just because it makes my GS look nicer, but hey, at least it’s a tank trinket! If I were looking for a DK for my raid and I saw the guy using a healer mace, I’d be more inclined to think he was an idiot than to ooh and ahh over his uber gear score (which, btw…a WoW-Heroes GS of 2800-something is hardly ooh-and-ahh worthy, as I’m sure you know. 🙂 ) ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2095 "2010-08-16T19:54:12Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Now that would be an interesting way to do WG. Wouldn’t make sense from a lore perspective (“Sooooo \*why \*are we fighting each other, again?”), but it would be great in terms of balance. Therein lies part of the difference between PVE/PVP. The PVPers fight because…that’s what they do. Different color shirt is reason to kill somebody. We don’t tend to care whether we are advancing the grand goals of some faction or other. It’s more–hey, that guy is on the other team, GET HIM! It’s a beautiful simplicity. Screw Horde politics, screw Alliance betrayals. Just que up and pewpew. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2096 "2010-08-16T20:04:14Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > > [@Skammer](#): > > > > I forgot about that! That was fun. I don’t know if I should tell you but according to Shin Kell, that guy who won the drake from you turned around and sold it to someone else in the raid ☹ > > [This guy, IIRC.](http://www.wow-heroes.com/index.php?zone=us&server=Cairne&name=Tyleri) How much would that have gone for? Really? Tyleri did that? Hmm… he’s in my guild and my DK’s 10-man, and generally a pretty decent guy (although the most forgetful person I’ve ever met when it comes to fight mechanics). Even worse considering that **Shin Kell** is in the same guild as him (at least on one toon). I’ll talk to him about it tonight. If he sold it after beating out a guildie on a tie roll then… well I don’t know what to say. > [@winterhawk11](#): > > …_please_ tell me that this DK is using a spellpower/MP5 mace…from the LICH KING no less…for RP? Please? I’m pretty sure the gear on that wow-heroes page is just random stuff (much of it is un-enchanted). His specs are kind of dodgy too, because he’s mainly been 2H frost tanking and unholy DPS. I’m guessing he was just trying out dual-wield frost DPS for a bit and was given the LK10 one-hander as a joke (there is nobody in that raid that would have wanted it). I know when tanking he’s been using Heroic Ramaladni’s. If he’s juicing GS he’d log out with that (2H 264), not a random 258. But again, I’ll ask him tonight… I know he’s kind of young and sometimes does silly things. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2097 "2010-08-16T20:11:32Z")
EDIT: On re-read I see that it was not **Shin** that tied, but Yeti. So not a case of selling it after beating a guild-mate… I’m a bit more ambivalent about that (generally I never sell loot at all). What is the consensus in this thread on that? Should I still yell at him and have him send Yeti some gold? (I know it’s not the mount, but about all I can do at this point). ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2098 "2010-08-16T20:17:29Z")
Once he won it, it was his. If he wanted to sell it, that’s his business. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2099 "2010-08-16T20:18:17Z")
**Jas09** , he won the roll fair and square and there were no loot rules stated that you couldn’t sell items. IMHO it was a _little_ dickish to take a mount you didn’t intend to keep, when the person you tied with wanted it… but I’d argue he had the right to do it. I don’t think he owes Yeti anything. Yeti might disagree though! ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2100 "2010-08-16T20:19:24Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > Once he won it, it was his. If he wanted to sell it, that’s his business. Yeah, I’d agree unless it was spelled out ahead of time that selling items was frowned on. Me, I just think it’s bad form to roll on something just for the purposes of selling it–especially selling it to another raid member. But that’s just me–others might feel differently. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=104) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=106)