# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 106
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2101 "2010-08-16T20:24:06Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > Once he won it, it was his. If he wanted to sell it, that’s his business. [QUOTE=Skammer] Jas09, he won the roll fair and square and there were no loot rules stated that you couldn’t sell items. [/QUOTE] Yeah, that’s kind of my opinion on it too. I reacted the way I did at first because I thought he won it off a guild-mate and then sold it (which I think is a bit dodgy… and certainly something I would never do). So yeah, put it in the column of “slightly unsavory but certainly defensible actions re: loot in an MMO”. Big category, that. I will admit to having rolled on an item I didn’t really want in a PuG just to give it to a guild-member in the raid that wanted it (basically doubling their chances for it). Probably also firmly in that gray area. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2102 "2010-08-16T20:26:36Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > He/she seems to be one of those people who justifies being a dick by claiming to be “roleplaying a rogue”. If he were really roleplaying, he wouldn’t be using OOC information in order to fuel his IC activities. > [@Oakminster](#): > > Therein lies part of the difference between PVE/PVP. The PVPers fight because…that’s what they do. Different color shirt is reason to kill somebody. We don’t tend to care whether we are advancing the grand goals of some faction or other. It’s more–hey, that guy is on the other team, GET HIM! I was speaking from the persepctive of Blizz themselves–they generally like to having some kind of reasoning behind these things, even if it ends up being pretty stupid when you stop to think about it. > [@Jas09](#): > > What is the consensus in this thread on that? Should I still yell at him and have him send Yeti some gold? (I know it’s not the mount, but about all I can do at this point). The loot rules are what they are. If nobody told him he had to use the drake if he won it, he was perfectly within his rights to sell it to someone else in the raid. Now, that might not be the nicest thing to do, but it’s legit. Don’t make him send Yeti any money, and don’t yell at him. You may wish to have a friendly discussion about the types of choices that we make in PUG raids and how they reflect on the guild as a whole, though. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2103 "2010-08-16T21:22:34Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > **Jas09** , he won the roll fair and square and there were no loot rules stated that you couldn’t sell items. IMHO it was a _little_ dickish to take a mount you didn’t intend to keep, when the person you tied with wanted it… but I’d argue he had the right to do it. I don’t think he owes Yeti anything. Yeti might disagree though! I was slightly bummed when I lost the second roll, but I was over it about 5 seconds afterwards…like others have said, he doesn’t owe me anything. But if we were in the same scenario a second time around I might say something to the RL beforehand about the winner must learn/equip the item once it is won or return it back to the RL. I remembered the name because I said to myself “Hmmmm…does he go by Tyleri or Tyler I.?” Anyways, case closed; I was just geeked getting the achievements. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2104 "2010-08-16T21:25:16Z")
How can you tell if someone has learned a mount? I don’t think there is any emote or anything when you learn a skill. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2105 "2010-08-16T21:35:52Z")
Ummmm, good point. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2106 "2010-08-16T21:36:52Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > How can you tell if someone has learned a mount? I don’t think there is any emote or anything when you learn a skill. In that particular case I’ve been in raids where the RL required you to mount up outside the instance (in the Wyrmrest basement) after the raid. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2107 "2010-08-16T21:37:11Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > > [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > > > [This guy, IIRC.](http://www.wow-heroes.com/index.php?zone=us&server=Cairne&name=Tyleri) > > … > > … > > …_please_ tell me that this DK is using a spellpower/MP5 mace…from the LICH KING no less…for RP? Please? Because nobody that clueless should be allowed to have something as cool as a Twilight Drake. > > (It doesn’t show up on the Armory, but when I looked at the link you posted, it showed him using Valius, Gavel of the Lightbringer.) Now he’s sporting a [Frost Giant’s Cleaver.](http://www.wowhead.com/item=50787) ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2108 "2010-08-16T21:41:09Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > I remembered the name because I said to myself “Hmmmm…does he go by Tyleri or Tyler I.?” Anyways, case closed; I was just geeked getting the achievements. He goes by “tyleree” as far as I know. And yeah, the title sounds pretty cool too - one of the better ones in my opinion. Although I might slightly prefer “of the Nightfall”, depending on my mood. 🙂 > [@](#): > > Now he’s sporting a Frost Giant’s Cleaver. Which, as far as I know, is a pretty solid choice for a dual-wield tank. Never tried dual-wield, always felt (and sounded) clunky to me. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2109 "2010-08-16T21:55:16Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > How can you tell if someone has learned a mount? I can’t remember for sure, but I think you might get the same little flash of light as when you learn a skill. More usefully, though, you can make the person summon the mount. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2110 "2010-08-16T22:22:00Z")
Got a ZHC yesterday. Now I just need to farm up a bunch of soul shards and I can make a drakedog video. ---
**Author:** ![Roland\_Orzabal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c2a13f/32.png) [@Roland\_Orzabal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roland_Orzabal)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2111 "2010-08-17T01:26:44Z")
Screw the Oculus. Screw it right in its big blue glowing ring-hole with a rusty Thunderfury. Yo, Blizz: if I wanted to play Retarded Dragonriders, I’d have bought that game instead, but I don’t, so I didn’t. So when I queue for an instance, howzabout letting me use some of the combat and support skills you made damned sure I mastered during the 12,564 quests it took to get to level 80, instead of dumping me on the back of a big ugly lizard that controls like a flying M4 Sherman (but without the depth perception) and comes equipped with one, and only one, singularly useless healing spell? There’s plenty of doofy-doo crap to do in this game — fishing, bombing, Capture the Flag, and what-have-you — but you’ll notice you put all the rest of it OUTSIDE the main PvE game, which is exactly where it belongs. Répétez, s’il vous plaît. Thanks; that is all. P.S. **Cornballah** , I owe you another heroic run. Holler anytime. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2112 "2010-08-17T02:02:04Z")
Yeah, I’m down with the rant. Oculus sucks. Pretty much anytime it pops up in RDF, you’ll see at least one person drop as soon as they zone in. The vehicles are fun in pvp, and that’s where they belong. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2113 "2010-08-17T04:06:25Z")
I feel exactly the same way about the jousting stuff in Trial of the Champion. Yay, I get to fuck around with my Lance of +200ms Lag Sensitivity, and it’s trivially easy anyway so why is it even in there? ---
**Author:** ![Headrush042](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Headrush042](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Headrush042)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2114 "2010-08-17T04:51:39Z")
I don’t mind the occasional vehicle section while I’m questing, just to change it up some (or if I feel like skipping it, it’s no big deal). I definitely don’t like them in my instances or raids, nor my PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2115 "2010-08-17T06:23:37Z")
WTF? I Say stab. Fuck the godamned BG chat just stabstabstabstabstabmotherfuckerstabSTABSTAB STAB!!! Kill that goddamned son of a fucking bitch, Kill the fucker, kill the fucker, KILL THE GODDAMNED MOTHER FUCKING FUCKER!! Kill the mother fucker! Kill the mother fucker!! Kill the mother fucker!!! Fuck. Just kill the fucker huh? ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2116 "2010-08-17T06:30:13Z")
Being lvl33 in a lvl 30- 40- BG sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Daedelus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daedelus)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2117 "2010-08-17T07:02:25Z")
Bane of the Fallen King! Finally got it after a lot of RL headaches and in-game ones. It was on my alt Disc priest, but my druid will get it soon. Wiped at 3% and 1% before we finally took another hour to re-learn the fight (Hi, Shadow Trap!) and come back from disconnects mid-pull, but it’s done. Wiping sucks, but it does make the reward worth it. The fight is incredibly unforgiving, and small mistakes snowball into huge gaping chasms of deficit as the fight progresses. It was really amazing to get it done after quite a while (not even sure how long) worth of work. Now to get it on my druid… ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2118 "2010-08-17T08:01:31Z")
I had the weirdest instance run yesterday; well, more like an instance hobble. I was queued up for normal randoms with the miniretridin. The PUG screen pops up with an “instance in progress”, I accept, find myself in the Occulus, the other four are Up Above fighting the final boss, I’m getting hit by some of his effects, can’t go through the portal to pick up a dragon, heal myself best I can just to see if I can… boss dies, I get the tokens and stand there scratching my head in confusion… the others left before I could find out whether they’d kicked the fifth right before starting the fight and not waited to see if someone appeared, or he’d left. In any case, weird. Oh, speaking of which and since I have y’all handy: for retridin it’s slow weapons? (I still need to replace the leveling axe for this one) ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2119 "2010-08-17T08:09:38Z")
I like it when I’m doing normal instances and get a group where everybody else is a similar size (as opposed to 1-2 guys farming for a given item). One of my DPS-lowerers is that I’m slow moving, also that I always wait for the tank to start and if I have something like MD or ToT I’ll make sure to use it (I know several tanks who say they like having me on DPS because I rarely need rescuing, but it’s not Current Standard Behavior). I look much better when compared with a bunch which does not include one dude who goes all-out on the next group before we’ve even finished looting the previous one, you know? Plus in those normal-sizes groups, the likelihood of some idiot dropping group after “his” bossfight is lower; they’re the same groups which may end up running 3-4 instances, because everybody is looking for badges, we’re doing all right and nobody is calling anybody else names. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2120 "2010-08-17T08:21:17Z")
> [@Dag\_Otto](#): > > WTF? I Say stab. Fuck the godamned BG chat just stabstabstabstabstabmotherfuckerstabSTABSTAB STAB!!! Kill that goddamned son of a fucking bitch, Kill the fucker, kill the fucker, KILL THE GODDAMNED MOTHER FUCKING FUCKER!! Kill the mother fucker! Kill the mother fucker!! Kill the mother fucker!!! > > Fuck. Just kill the fucker huh? PvP can be emotional… 😃 Here is what is getting me emotional at the moment - tards who post single Trade Good items on the AH and take up the first 8 pages. Yes I know all the ‘make money from wow’ sites say to post individual items but really use your brain and only post a few at a time FFS. I have been playing the AH since I downloaded the iPhone app for it and have made over 400G just from flipping in a week, easy money. On my first run through Storm Peaks I somehow missed all the Brann quests but now I’m doing them on my lock and man that’s an interesting bit of lore right there, loving it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=105) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=107)