# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 112
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2221 "2010-08-20T08:44:19Z")
Yay ding 80! The last 50% of XP went so quickly in Storm Peaks as the stories were so good, I am seriously rolling a dwarf come Cata as the Bronzebeards are inspiring. So that’s my second level 80 and I still can’t raid so what to do next? I have been buying up mats to switch my Holy Pally jewelcrafting so that’s one aim other than that I guess it’s getting my DK to level 65 so that she can max out her professions. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2222 "2010-08-20T09:01:58Z")
Go on questing (some nice items from quests, some nice items from faction rep), chain normal randoms, later chain heroics. Gratz and welcome to the perfectly-sized side 😃 One of the messages you can get from Brann is “Don’t do anything I wouldn’t do!” Ehm… riiiiight, so, don’t jump headfirst into a volcano unless I’m wearing my engineering goggles, you mean? ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2223 "2010-08-20T10:12:40Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Go on questing (some nice items from quests, some nice items from faction rep), chain normal randoms, later chain heroics. > > Gratz and welcome to the perfectly-sized side 😃 > > One of the messages you can get from Brann is “Don’t do anything I wouldn’t do!” Ehm… riiiiight, so, don’t jump headfirst into a volcano unless I’m wearing my engineering goggles, you mean? Ty and thanks for the grats which is in fact my first as no other guildies were on last night when I finally hit 80. My lock is a gnome so I made sure to zoom right in for the dialogue scenes so I was looking up to the brothers for the conversations. Ever noticed how sometimes the npcs are facing the wrong way during these scenes? Makes it feel very odd. Brann is my new hero. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2224 "2010-08-20T14:01:27Z")
Last night I gave up trying to get into Cairne and I only had about an hour to play so I logged into my human warlock on Lightbringer (I think). I don’t even remember why I created him or when, but he was level 3 and I leveled him up to 8 or 9 - it goes slower without heirlooms, and when you don’t know your way around Stormwind. Now I probably won’t touch him for another year or so until Cairne is unavailable again. It’s interesting how easy the newbie quests have become, now that all the level 1-5 mobs are yellow. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2225 "2010-08-20T14:52:10Z")
Another night, and more content (new to me) downed. I now have 11/12 ICC10 HMs to go with my 25s. 😃 I’m actually more proud of these kills, because on both of the new ones (Sindri and PP) I was doing something new–tanking HM Sindri, and operating the abom suit for PP (which I’d only done once before, on regular, when we were going for the achievement and didn’t slow anything)–and because some of the other raiders were also new to the fights. (As evidenced by the fact that it took us about a half-dozen attempts to get Sindri down.) The bonus is that I’m now only two achievements away from my 10-man ICC drake: All You Can Eat on Sindri and the LK one with stacking the disease (Been Waiting a Long Time for This or something like that). However, as this 10-man was formed with the intention of pushing for Bane (H-LK10 kill) to get more of us used to the fight for 25, it’ll probably be at least a couple weeks before I’m free to work on those. It never ceases to amaze me, the difference in raiding experiences between groups with and without experience. I’ve had PUGs struggle on early bosses in regular mode; with a group of geared and skilled guildmates, we burned through most of the instance like butter. > [@Mithril](#): > > I just wish there were something else to mine here, because that is always the first thing I max out. Excellent username/post combo. 😃 > [@Shin\_Kell](#): > > Finally got my 4 piece on the warrior, it’s so nice. Congrats! Is that your tanking four-piece? The bubble is a lifesaver. Or is your DPS four-piece for extra attack proccing goodness? And \<3 to you for CCing stray adds. > [@Nava](#): > > I got in trouble for Not Sitting Outside The Instance waiting in case the raid needed a replacement (you do have to be kidding me) For any remotely serious guild, that’s pretty much to be expected. (Or at least that you’re in some way available to hop in if you’re needed–usually not literally sitting with your thumb up your ass at the entrance portal.) > [@martu](#): > > Yay ding 80! Congrats! ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2226 "2010-08-20T15:07:17Z")
I can see being ready to join a raid at a moment’s notice, but having to physically wait outside the instance sounds pretty unreasonable. Don’t most raids have a warlock to summon anyway? A bench player should be able to quest or BG or whatever while they wait for The Call That May Not Come. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2227 "2010-08-20T15:14:30Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Another night, and more content (new to me) downed. I now have 11/12 ICC10 HMs to go with my 25s. 😃 I’m actually more proud of these kills, because on both of the new ones (Sindri and PP) I was doing something new–tanking HM Sindri, and operating the abom suit for PP (which I’d only done once before, on regular, when we were going for the achievement and didn’t slow anything)–and because some of the other raiders were also new to the fights. (As evidenced by the fact that it took us about a half-dozen attempts to get Sindri down.) Good stuff. Sounds a lot like my raid last night (ICC10 HMs). Sadly, we didn’t have some regulars so we couldn’t push the progression boss (Sindra HM), but we did clear the first 7 on heroic with two folks that hadn’t been there before. Hopefully Sindra on Monday, with drakes next week (or maybe the week after). Still haven’t done the Abom in HM yet - making sure you have enough energy to slow both slimes at the transition seems a bit tricky. I’m pretty solid with it on normal though. Not nearly as good at DPS’ing in it as the guy that did it last night (who’s just basically good at everything… asshole… ;)) He was second on the DPS meters the entire fight (until jumping out of the suit to tank, of course). Gotta pick his brain a bit… Oh, and Saurfang, you can burn in hell. How can a boss with _three_ drops that are upgrades (legs, bracers, _and_ weapon), each with something like a 20% drop rate, go a month without dropping any of them… Now I’m gonna just craft the damn tanking pants only to have his drop the next week… Did get my final mark for 4p 264 tank gear. So at least I have that going for me. 🙂 [QUOTE=Skammer] I can see being ready to join a raid at a moment’s notice, but having to physically wait outside the instance sounds pretty unreasonable. Don’t most raids have a warlock to summon anyway? A bench player should be able to quest or BG or whatever while they wait for The Call That May Not Come. [/QUOTE] My experience is in line with **SFG** ’s. When you only have a few hours (6 total for my 25-man) to get stuff done, every few minutes is important. We let folks do stuff on alts, but the raid toon better be right at the instance and you better drop whatever you’re doing the second the call goes out in vent that we need you. If not, well, you probably won’t even be backup for long. Same goes with not being on time - fastest way to get removed from a raid group is being late or absent without notice. It seems really harsh to casual raiders, but it’s a requirement for anything more serious than that (especially larger raid groups). You do get EP for waiting, so it’s not like you get nothing out of the deal. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2228 "2010-08-20T15:26:49Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > We let folks do stuff on alts, but the raid toon better be right at the instance and you better drop whatever you’re doing the second the call goes out in vent that we need you. If not, well, you probably won’t even be backup for long. Guess I’m not suited for one of those guilds, then. If I don’t get a raid slot, I’m doing something else. I may or may not be available later if a replacement is needed, and I may or may not be willing to burn a lockout to do it. For that matter, pretty much any guild that expects me to fill out some form longer and more detailed than a job application is gonna get scratched from my list. I like doing a few raids now and then, but it’s not the only thing I’m interested in doing. Kinda like being non-guilded at the moment. No obligations, no drama, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Shin\_Kell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/97f17d/32.png) [@Shin\_Kell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shin_Kell)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2229 "2010-08-20T15:43:13Z")
[QUOTE=Shot From Guns] Congrats! Is that your tanking four-piece? The bubble is a lifesaver. Or is your DPS four-piece for extra attack proccing goodness? And \<3 to you for CCing stray adds. [/QUOTE] Tanking 4 piece, all 264. Now if I could just get a neckpiece to drop so I can replace this badge one I’d be happy. I’m so over the Lich King fight. Hoping they do down him next week while I’m on vacation so I won’t have to keep going through Phase 2 over and over and over… ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2230 "2010-08-20T15:49:33Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > I like doing a few raids now and then, but it’s not the only thing I’m interested in doing. Kinda like being non-guilded at the moment. No obligations, no drama, etc. You need to find a guild like mine–we have a dedicated raiding core, but tons and tons of “social members” who range in gear and skill level all the way from “just dinged 80 and have zero interest in raiding” to “used to be a main raider but dropped out due to RL commitments.” Socials in our guild don’t have any requirements or time commitments, but they’re welcome to join non-progression raids (of which we have several) whenever. We’ve even been taking some of the better-geared socials with us to get them Lich King 25 kills lately, since our raids have been a bit short due to summer/various RL stuff/etc. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2231 "2010-08-20T15:58:28Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > When you only have a few hours (6 total for my 25-man) to get stuff done, every few minutes is important. We let folks do stuff on alts, but the raid toon better be right at the instance and you better drop whatever you’re doing the second the call goes out in vent that we need you. If not, well, you probably won’t even be backup for long. Wouldn’t logging out of an alt (which may require a 20-second wait or at least a hearth), then logging back in on the raid toon, then making my way through the completed part of the instance, take longer than a lock tossing up a closet to summon me from wherever? ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2232 "2010-08-20T16:06:51Z")
> [@Shin\_Kell](#): > > I’m so over the Lich King fight. Hoping they do down him next week while I’m on vacation so I won’t have to keep going through Phase 2 over and over and over… Yeah, there were some discussion of those difficulties last night… not sure what’s holding y’all back. I wish someone kept logs for your attempts to look over - maybe something obvious would jump out. There’s really no reason to be struggling for so long on it - especially with the quality of player/gear you have in that raid group. Sounded like it was a different thing every time (with Defile being the main culprit of course… and maybe losing folks to Raging Spirits from time to time?). [QUOTE=Skammer] Wouldn’t logging out of an alt (which may require a 20-second wait or at least a hearth), then logging back in on the raid toon, then making my way through the completed part of the instance, take longer than a lock tossing up a closet to summon me from wherever? [/QUOTE] Possibly, yes (assuming a lock was available - generally a safe assumption). Although often we’d be clearing trash (or running back from a wipe) while you come in, so summoning wouldn’t be possible. Many times though, folks pull the “just let me turn in this quest” or “we’ve almost won this BG” line when on a main toon (more than if they were farming on an alt, for example). And, to be honest, I haven’t really been keeping track of what the backups are up to - maybe they are questing, etc, and are just fast about dropping what they’re doing and getting in. Basically as long as you’re ready to go quickly when needed it’s normally not an issue. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Daedelus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daedelus)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2233 "2010-08-20T16:22:38Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Another night, and more content (new to me) downed. I now have 11/12 ICC10 HMs to go with my 25s. 😃 I’m actually more proud of these kills, because on both of the new ones (Sindri and PP) I was doing something new–tanking HM Sindri, and operating the abom suit for PP (which I’d only done once before, on regular, when we were going for the achievement and didn’t slow anything)–and because some of the other raiders were also new to the fights. (As evidenced by the fact that it took us about a half-dozen attempts to get Sindri down.) > > The bonus is that I’m now only two achievements away from my 10-man ICC drake: All You Can Eat on Sindri and the LK one with stacking the disease (Been Waiting a Long Time for This or something like that). However, as this 10-man was formed with the intention of pushing for Bane (H-LK10 kill) to get more of us used to the fight for 25, it’ll probably be at least a couple weeks before I’m free to work on those. > > It never ceases to amaze me, the difference in raiding experiences between groups with and without experience. I’ve had PUGs struggle on early bosses in regular mode; with a group of geared and skilled guildmates, we burned through most of the instance like butter. 6+ attempts on HM Sindragosa made me want to tear my hair out, TBH. I know there was about a third of the raid that wasn’t completely familiar with the fight, but I hate seeing those attempts burn on a farm boss. I’m sorry if my frustration showed through while raid leading, but there were quite a few more fails than I wanted to have last night. You will get your Frost Wyrm, but it won’t be until after Bane. Hope you’re fine with that. > [@mil0](#): > > Okay, I’ll try and give you what little thoughts I have on such matters 😛 > > I think the single most important thing you can do to keep your players is to forge a community. Build a non-guildomatic website. Encourage guild meet-ups irl. Get a shoutbox for your forum. Fraps your guild conquering the latest content and upload it to youtube. Play other games with your guildmates. Do whatever you can to bring your guild together, and give your best players something to feel connected to. Yeah, we definitely are focused on guild community and try to foster that amongst all the people we want to keep around. We, unfortunately, have a guildomatic web-site, but that was a choice made before I had any say about it. I think the web-site could be better, but it’s not terrible, as far as our needs go. I do think we could use a section for other games and encouraging more of the outside WoW experience. > [@](#): > > Another thing, you can fight attrition, but you can’t beat it. You’re always going to continue shedding players for as long as you continue exist as a guild. This needs to be accepted. When a good player quits, needs to take a break from WoW, or transfers on to a more-progressed guild, **do not** burn bridges. Don’t alienate them. Don’t remove their access from your guild forums (maybe the strategy forums if they moved on to another guild). Having a decently-sized alumni population is perfectly healthy for a long-running guild. These players will make up some sort of veritable reserve pool for your recruitment. Many of them will eventually yearn to come back to the game, and you want them to come back to your guild, not someone else’s. > > Also related, if someone inquires into your guild, but backs down due to whatever reason: DON’T BURN BRIDGES! Vigil’s current best warlock flipflopped something like six times on joining. Eventually, he decided to transfer and he’s been the best warlock on their roster for 6 months now. Yeah, as the recruitment officer I definitely understand that we’re going to lose people and I keep recruitment open at all times. It’s just that I haven’t been in a position to handle it the way I’d like for very long, so right now I’m trying to play catch-up in the worst possible atmosphere with the end of the expansion and during summer. I know things will work out eventually, it’s just something I’m focused on right now, and it sucks to deal with. > [@](#): > > Recruiting on websites like MMO-champion, WoRaids etc. doesn’t really work. It’s nice for reinforcing your brand name, but not much else. I’ve noticed that nearly all the applicants from such sites are garbage players. Websites like WoWprogress, and Guildox are where your website-oriented recruitment attention needs to be. Craft a powerful, but modest recruitment advert for your guild and you have a good chance of standing out. Thanks, I’ll look into the WoWProgress and GuildOx adverts. We have cursory ones up on the other websites, but I know those are close to worthless. > [@](#): > > The best way of acquiring solid players quickly is acquiring a few players from a dying guild (poaching). This is a gamble. Make sure to do thorough background checks. The last thing you want to do is recruit their bad players and by doing so alienate their good players + have brought cancer into your guild. Also, don’t worry too much about the cliques these players will form. These matters usually resolve themselves. Of course, if they get too uppity, don’t be afraid to crack the ol’ whip either (usually a strongly worded post is enough). Yeah, poaching a crew of players is kind of what I’m looking at right now. Having played since vanilla, where all the raiding recruitment was on server, I know how necessary it can be at times, and right now is one of those times. We need probably 5 more solid players and we can get our LK kill, but those 5 players need to be of certain classes and need to playing at a really high level, so it’s harder to find them. Also, it’s hard doing that across server, and on-server there is quite a lot of competition for PvE progression guilds. Hopefully we can find a crew like this sometime soon, because I really think we’re close to getting the fight down if we had those players join. > [@](#): > > On merging, I think it’s really only appropriate as a last ditch effort. It’s a double-edged sword by any standard, but unfortunately it’s sometimes necessary. In DnT, we were at the brink of collapse. Be very VERY VERY careful when considering a merge. The mention of it alone is powerful enough to cause the WoW guild equivalent of the L.A. riots. Yeah, we’re not interested in a merger at all right now. I was an unfortunate part of a merger in vanilla and I have a severe distaste for them now. If anything, the closest we’d come is some kind of poaching, just on a larger scale. There’s recently been some talks around this kind of deal, but it has fizzled out for now. So it goes. > [@](#): > > If you have anymore specific questions, let me know. This is about all my aching hands can type for now 😉 > > Also, a few of the statistics I collected: > > Vigil application statistics > We’ve received: 338 Applications > Started receiving on: 6-27-09 > Today is: 3-11-10 > 258 days so far. > 1.31 Applications submitted per day > Accepted (Offered interview): 30/338 > Joined: 18/338 > Still with us: 11/338 Thank you for that. Those statistics are interesting; I may have to compile some for my own guild. You basically confirmed a lot of things I already knew, but hadn’t pursued completely yet, so thank you for that. If I have any questions, I’m glad I know I can pick your brain. Thanks again. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2234 "2010-08-20T16:27:11Z")
You can get frost wyrms from PvE now? ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2235 "2010-08-20T16:31:54Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > You can get frost wyrms from PvE now? Yes, the meta-achievements for 10- and 25-man ICC (which require all Hard Mode kills but LK and a bunch of other achievements) reward Frost Wyrms. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2236 "2010-08-20T16:44:23Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > > [@Oakminster](#): > > > > I like doing a few raids now and then, but it’s not the only thing I’m interested in doing. Kinda like being non-guilded at the moment. No obligations, no drama, etc. > > You need to find a guild like mine–we have a dedicated raiding core, but tons and tons of “social members” who range in gear and skill level all the way from “just dinged 80 and have zero interest in raiding” to “used to be a main raider but dropped out due to RL commitments.” Socials in our guild don’t have any requirements or time commitments, but they’re welcome to join non-progression raids (of which we have several) whenever. We’ve even been taking some of the better-geared socials with us to get them Lich King 25 kills lately, since our raids have been a bit short due to summer/various RL stuff/etc. Yeah, that would be sweet. Don’t guess y’all are on Elune? ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2237 "2010-08-20T16:47:25Z")
Kind of lame they’d just give up such an exclusive PvP award like that. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Daedelus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daedelus)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2238 "2010-08-20T17:09:17Z")
I’m sure they will put in another PvP exclusive reward come Cataclysm. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2239 "2010-08-20T17:23:21Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > > [@winterhawk11](#): > > > > You need to find a guild like mine–we have a dedicated raiding core, but tons and tons of “social members” who range in gear and skill level all the way from “just dinged 80 and have zero interest in raiding” to “used to be a main raider but dropped out due to RL commitments.” Socials in our guild don’t have any requirements or time commitments, but they’re welcome to join non-progression raids (of which we have several) whenever. We’ve even been taking some of the better-geared socials with us to get them Lich King 25 kills lately, since our raids have been a bit short due to summer/various RL stuff/etc. > > Yeah, that would be sweet. Don’t guess y’all are on Elune? Sorry, nope, I’m on Proudmoore. ---
**Author:** ![Shin\_Kell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/97f17d/32.png) [@Shin\_Kell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shin_Kell)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2240 "2010-08-20T17:39:52Z")
[QUOTE=Jas09] Yeah, there were some discussion of those difficulties last night… not sure what’s holding y’all back. I wish someone kept logs for your attempts to look over - maybe something obvious would jump out. [/QUOTE] If I had thought about it I could have asked J to log the attempts. I’ll talk to her about logging next weeks attempts even though I won’t be there, maybe that’ll help. > [@](#): > > There’s really no reason to be struggling for so long on it - especially with the quality of player/gear you have in that raid group. Sounded like it was a different thing every time (with Defile being the main culprit of course… and maybe losing folks to Raging Spirits from time to time?). To be fair Wednesday was the first time we had worked on LK in about a week or so. The week before there was some huge argument between some raid memebers that ended up with the raid cancelled. We had two good attempts on the night, our first was 51% and a few attempts later we got him to 49%. A few things that wiped us, as I remember were people running the wrong way with defile, effectively splitting the raid and making it nearly impossible for the healers to reach the tanks or people with infest. I can’t complain about that because I screwed up when I got defile and ran the wrong way. People standing too far away when infest hits, meaning I have to single heal 3 different people, we only lost a person once to that, but it’s really aggrivating when defiles come right after infest. I’m not a priest and we don’t have one. Also people standing too close to the edge when Valks come, or the ranged standing on the wrong side when the Valks come making the Valks fly in the opposite direction. Our MT was also tanking the LK in a different spot this time, a bit farther away from the offtank which meant our two melee had further to run to drop off the plague. When we mentioned this to him he was like “Boo hoo so the the melee have to run a bit farther.”. After we explained that this was a bad idea because the melee had died because they weren’t close enough to be cleansed, he moved him slightly closer. The transition was pretty sloppy too. Past transitions have left us with one Horror nearly dead, or no horrors at all. We were having two horrors going into transition along with a handful of ghouls. Twice the ghouls took out two of our DPS. DPS were also pulling the LK and Horrors off of the tanks. Never made it to phase 3, but I had to remind our RL to go over phase 3 strat just in case we made it. As for gear, my shaman is probably the least geared of the group, the rest are pretty geared so I don’t think that’s a problem. We just keep making the same mistakes week after week. It’s tiresome. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=111) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=113)