# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 143
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2841 "2010-09-23T20:41:29Z")
Two battered hilts and thre kodos in one day? No, why would I hate you? you frickin’ bastard. ---
**Author:** ![hdc\_bst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9f8e36/32.png) [@hdc\_bst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hdc_bst)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2842 "2010-09-23T20:44:46Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > [Wowhead](http://www.wowhead.com): A database full of information on gear, abilities, Talents, recipes, boss drops, consumables, quests etc. **Kushiel** , let me second the recommendation for wowhead. Not only is it an extensive database, it also has very useful forums with a, hrmmm, more polite population than the official WoW forums. My favorite thread when I hit 80 on my hunter (Makig in, the BDL) was this: > **[\[3.3.3\] Easily Obtainable Hunter Gear](https://www.wowhead.com/forums/topic/3-3-3-easily-obtainable-hunter-gear-151046)** > > This post was from a user who has deleted their account. It has a good guide for things you can buy with badges, as well as some good drops in regular and heroic instances. Speaking of which, in instances don’t be shy about rolling need on an item that’s an upgrade for you. If it’s an upgrade for someone else, they’ll be needing on it too. When I first hit 80 I did a fair number of regular dungeon runs before entering heroics. This got me a couple juicy purples and some good blues so that I could really contribute in a heroic dungeon. Also, use wowhead to find quests related to each dungeon - there were several good blue quest rewards I got at 80 to round out my gear. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2843 "2010-09-23T20:51:45Z")
> [@Shin\_Kell](#): > > LK attempts last night… I know there’s a Phase 2, but we never saw it. I think I’m officially done with it now. I’ll run if I feel like it, but I’ve thrown my face against that wall too many times, I need to let my wounds heal before Cata. Wow, I heard it was bad, but not that bad… there’s really no reason to fail before P2. Sounded like some threat issues, and some major tank-healing issues… that’s really frustrating. Sorry. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2844 "2010-09-23T21:09:28Z")
> [@Shin\_Kell](#): > > Not in party chat mind you, in whispers, towards the end he had me feeling bad about winning. /ignore. Problem solved. If he wants one, he can buy it. > [@](#): > > had 3 Kodo’s drop for me in the kegs today [del]You go to hell. You go to hell and you die.[/del] Grats! This is my biggest objection to the bag system of holiday bosses–assuming that they didn’t up the drop rate at all, there will actually be fewer mounts earned, because a lot are going to waste because they’re getting assigned to people who already fucking \*have \*them. > [@](#): > > LK attempts last night… I know there’s a Phase 2, but we never saw it. There’s a phase 3, too. And a phase 4, but that one’s a gimme. Plus two transition phases. It’s a crazy fight. Were you guys dying during the transition, or were there problems with keeping the tanks up or cleansing the plague? If you’re still at all interested, you might be able to do it with a different group of people. > [@hdc\_bst](#): > > Speaking of which, in instances don’t be shy about rolling need on an item that’s an upgrade for you. If it’s an upgrade for someone else, they’ll be needing on it too. Slight caveat here: As a Hunter, you can equip a lot of gear, and you also share a lot of stats with other physical DPS classes. However, all of the other physical DPS classes are melee, which means that there is some gear that will be an \*okay \*upgrade for you but a \*much better \*upgrade for them. If an item has something like Strength or Expertise on it, that means it’s intended for melee. It’s \*okay \*to use something like that if it’s better than what you have now, but you should \*always \*give a melee character first dibs on it. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2845 "2010-09-23T21:12:13Z")
> [@shot from guns](#): > > slight caveat here: As a hunter, you can equip a lot of gear, and you also share a lot of stats with other physical dps classes. However, all of the other physical dps classes are melee, which means that there is some gear that will be an \*okay \*upgrade for you but a \*much better \*upgrade for them. If an item has something like strength or expertise on it, that means it’s intended for melee. It’s \*okay \*to use something like that if it’s better than what you have now, but you should \*always \*give a melee character first dibs on it. Hunter weapon! ---
**Author:** ![hdc\_bst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9f8e36/32.png) [@hdc\_bst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hdc_bst)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2846 "2010-09-23T21:16:46Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Slight caveat here: As a Hunter, you can equip a lot of gear, and you also share a lot of stats with other physical DPS classes. However, all of the other physical DPS classes are melee, which means that there is some gear that will be an \*okay \*upgrade for you but a \*much better \*upgrade for them. If an item has something like Strength or Expertise on it, that means it’s intended for melee. It’s \*okay \*to use something like that if it’s better than what you have now, but you should \*always \*give a melee character first dibs on it. Absolutely. I would go as far as to say if the item has strength on it\*, you shouldn’t need on it at all. If you have been selecting proper gear as you level 999 out of 1000 items with strength will not be an upgrade, even if it has nice big looking numbers. \*With a big exception for [ranged](http://www.wowhead.com/item=50444) weapons. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2847 "2010-09-23T21:31:48Z")
I had a Hunter steal a neck with Strength on it out from under my DK the other day. I was \*very \*put out. “It has Agility on it, that means it’s for Hunters.” “Melee uses Agility, too, but we \*also \*use Strength, which is \*useless \*for you.” “But it has Agility.” “And Strength.” “But it has Agility!” “AND. STRENGTH.” And we went in that circle for like five minutes. I ended up dropping group out of frustration. No way in hell was I going to waste my time when this moron was just going to snag everything he could equip. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2848 "2010-09-23T21:32:14Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > If there is an enchanter in your group Disenchant will be an option. This was added because it was typical to have the enchanter DE (disenchant) the unwanted gear for enchanting material, and then have party members roll for them at the end. The new DE button automates this process. It’s worth pointing out the major reason for this DE process: WotLK greens (and many blues) don’t sell worth a damn on the AH, but Enchanting materials sell very well. Trying to sell most WotLK gear is liable to lose you money via AH deposits when the item ends up back in your mailbox. The problem trying to sell WotLK gear is that people don’t want to pay big bucks for stuff that’s liable to be replaced in a couple days. > [@](#): > > Yes, the game is shockingly lacking in directing players towards useful glyphs, enchants, gems, or even what stats to focus on. Cata is improving some of this (talent trees in particular), making it harder to be horribly wrong. As GC (one of the Blizzard devs) recently said, it’s gotten to the point where it’s considered more damning to be misinformed than to be bad, which is not how a game should be. I wonder if the abundance of 3rd-party resources is the _cause_ of this, or the _result_. IOW, did the devs get lazy about documentation because the 3rd-party sites were explaining everything _for_ them, or did the sites arise because of the lame documentation? > [@lizardling](#): > > Minor glyphs are less useful, but may have nice perks. Yet strangely more expensive than Major glyphs. I wonder why that is. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2849 "2010-09-23T21:37:55Z")
> [@hdc\_bst](#): > > \*With a big exception for [ranged](http://www.wowhead.com/item=50444) weapons. I have a strong feeling that that specific exception is only true for uncommonly good looking dwarf hunters due to the dwarf gun racial and their specific makeup of high end raiding gear. I just tested by putting that gun on my less-geared troll hunter via the femaledwarf spreadsheet and came out with a 270 DPS loss. Even swapping to dwarf didn’t make up for the loss. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2850 "2010-09-23T21:40:39Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > > [@lizardling](#): > > > > Minor glyphs are less useful, but may have nice perks. > > Yet strangely more expensive than Major glyphs. I wonder why that is. Minor glyphs never give you a skillup in Inscription. When you learn them (through research) they always (or at least for my Scribe, they always did) start out grey. Thus the only people selling 'em are people looking to make a profit, not just unload the five glyphs they just made to skill up from 120 to 125 (or whatever). ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2851 "2010-09-23T21:42:52Z")
Minor Inscription Research was a guaranteed point each day for my scribe for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2852 "2010-09-23T21:49:41Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > > [@hdc\_bst](#): > > > > \*With a big exception for [ranged](http://www.wowhead.com/item=50444) weapons. > > I have a strong feeling that that specific exception is only true for uncommonly good looking dwarf hunters due to the dwarf gun racial and their specific makeup of high end raiding gear. I just tested by putting that gun on my less-geared troll hunter via the femaledwarf spreadsheet and came out with a 270 DPS loss. Even swapping to dwarf didn’t make up for the loss. Odd… What weapon were you replacing? I can’t imagine that replacing anything below a 251 weapon wouldn’t be a DPS upgrade. Unless maybe you’re Beast Mastery? I mean, with my gear, going from 264 Zod’s Repeating Longbow to Rowan’s is only a 250 DPS loss per the spreadsheet… And Rowan’s is pretty much on par with normal Njordnar Bone Bow. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2853 "2010-09-23T21:50:48Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > > > Yet strangely more expensive than Major glyphs. I wonder why that is. > > Minor glyphs never give you a skillup in Inscription. When you learn them (through research) they always (or at least for my Scribe, they always did) start out grey. Thus the only people selling 'em are people looking to make a profit, not just unload the five glyphs they just made to skill up from 120 to 125 (or whatever). Ah. I was really annoyed when my priest’s first Minor Glyph slot became available and she hit the AH to pick up a Glyph of Fortitude, only to discover the sellers all wanted 44g for it. That would have been most of her net worth. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2854 "2010-09-23T21:53:10Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Yet strangely more expensive than Major glyphs. I wonder why that is. Minor glyphs cannot be trained. They can only be discovered by using a research cooldown that you can use about once a day. ---
**Author:** ![hdc\_bst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9f8e36/32.png) [@hdc\_bst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hdc_bst)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2855 "2010-09-23T21:54:29Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > I have a strong feeling that that specific exception is only true for uncommonly good looking dwarf hunters due to the dwarf gun racial and their specific makeup of high end raiding gear. I just tested by putting that gun on my less-geared troll hunter via the femaledwarf spreadsheet and came out with a 270 DPS loss. Even swapping to dwarf didn’t make up for the loss. Hmmm… what were you replacing? It’s academic to me - I’m not likely to move much beyond T9 and heroics equipment and am quite happy with my Felglacier crossobow. However, Rowans is reportedly solidly better than any IL232 weapon (Felglacier) and a bit better than the I245 weapons, particularly with 2PC T10. ---
**Author:** ![hdc\_bst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9f8e36/32.png) [@hdc\_bst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hdc_bst)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2856 "2010-09-23T21:56:12Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Odd… What weapon were you replacing? I can’t imagine that replacing anything below a 251 weapon wouldn’t be a DPS upgrade. Unless maybe you’re Beast Mastery? Incomparable speed … :o ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2857 "2010-09-23T21:58:41Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Ah. I was really annoyed when my priest’s first Minor Glyph slot became available and she hit the AH to pick up a Glyph of Fortitude, only to discover the sellers all wanted 44g for it. That would have been most of her net worth. As I’ve learned through about a year of glyph-selling, glyph prices fluctuate dramatically even within a day. Most of the volume is from mass sellers (I’ve been one of them off and on) listing one or two of every glyph they have for just below the previous price. If it’s a glyph that none of the other sellers has in inventory, it will be high. If they have all been undercutting for a day or two, it will be cheap. Glyph of Fort is extremely popular, and sells quickly, so will generally be higher priced. One of the primary reason minor glyphs are higher priced is that for some classes there are only a few popular ones, for all specs. Just about every hunter will have Mend Pet, for example, while nobody but a SV hunter will want Explosive Shot. I know DKs are similar, and would imagine Priests are as well. If you want cheap glyphs, this week is a good bet on Cairne - one of my in-game friends has attacked the market by listing all of his glyphs (and he has almost all of them) for 4g per, just to drive out some people he’s developed a distaste for. In general though, it is _always_ better to get glyphs directly from a Scribe. The mats are something like 2g per glyph. ---
**Author:** ![Shin\_Kell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/97f17d/32.png) [@Shin\_Kell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shin_Kell)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2858 "2010-09-23T22:00:03Z")
[QUOTE=Shot From Guns] This is my biggest objection to the bag system of holiday bosses–assuming that they didn’t up the drop rate at all, there will actually be fewer mounts earned, because a lot are going to waste because they’re getting assigned to people who already fucking have them. [/QUOTE] I agree. Two of those Kodo’s I had to trash because I already had them, if I could I would have sent them to my alts or to someone who didn’t have one. > [@](#): > > There’s a phase 3, too. And a phase 4, but that one’s a gimme. Plus two transition phases. It’s a crazy fight. > > Were you guys dying during the transition, or were there problems with keeping the tanks up or cleansing the plague? If you’re still at all interested, you might be able to do it with a different group of people. Oh I’ve seen the fight all the way past the last transition, but our group has never gotten that close again. We only had one person who could cleanse the plague, our holy paladin, and he had only done the fight once before I think. Our raid was composed of 4 druids (2 trees, 2 boomkins), a holy paladin, prot paladin, prot warrior (Me), 2 warlocks, and a rogue. I know I died on the first pull by not getting cleansed. The rest of the time it was a combination of people not getting cleansed, getting cleansed too early, and myself getting dual shockwaved from enraged horrors when everything was on cooldown. We even had 3 horrors up at one point. Three months we’ve been working on the Lich King with this general group and no dice, I’ve had enough. Funny thing is we one shot Sindy even though the holy paladin had never seen the fight, a few times we got dual ice blocks and Vent was silent except for the tanks calling out switches. It was pretty awesome. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2859 "2010-09-23T22:00:56Z")
> [@hdc\_bst](#): > > > [@lizardling](#): > > > > I have a strong feeling that that specific exception is only true for uncommonly good looking dwarf hunters due to the dwarf gun racial and their specific makeup of high end raiding gear. I just tested by putting that gun on my less-geared troll hunter via the femaledwarf spreadsheet and came out with a 270 DPS loss. Even swapping to dwarf didn’t make up for the loss. > > Hmmm… what were you replacing? It’s academic to me - I’m not likely to move much beyond T9 and heroics equipment and am quite happy with my Felglacier crossobow. However, Rowans is reportedly solidly better than any IL232 weapon (Felglacier) and a bit better than the I245 weapons, particularly with 2PC T10. I was replacing 264 Zod’s, and [I’m in 2pc T9/T10.](http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Borean+Tundra&cn=Kutkal) ---
**Author:** ![hdc\_bst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9f8e36/32.png) [@hdc\_bst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hdc_bst)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/2860 "2010-09-23T22:10:23Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > I was replacing 264 Zod’s, and [I’m in 2pc T9/T10.](http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Borean+Tundra&cn=Kutkal) I see. The point I was trying to make with my original comment is that higher Ilvl ranged weapons can be a significant improvement even if their itemization is completely wrong. A freshly dinged 80 with cash to burn would make a great investment buying Rowan’s. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=142) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=144)