# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 177
**Author:** ![shinto46](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@shinto46](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shinto46)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3521 "2010-10-14T17:28:25Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > > > Like I said: it’s a PvP problem with a PvP solution. > > Like I said, it’s poor sportsmanship. No amount of rationalizing is ever going to change that. I really, truly, and honestly wish people that do it would get perma banned. Preferably after being required to log in and watch a GM disenchant all of their epics or other gear. On all of their toons, across all servers. With DNA sampling so they can never play any mmorg ever again. I would also require they be branded with “I fail at life” on their foreheads, but that might be a little harsh. > > We’ll just have to disagree. Just don’t participate in BG’s. Problem Solved. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3522 "2010-10-14T17:36:02Z")
PVP is WoW for assholes. That’s just how it is. In any MMO, the most strident, combative, aggressive dickheads are the PVPers. It’s basically legal griefing, so it attracts that kind of player. Sportsmanship is not enforced, so it shouldn’t be expected. The funny thing is, I don’t really mean that as an insult. I like PVP myself and I understand the mentality. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3523 "2010-10-14T17:38:12Z")
> [@shinto46](#): > > > [@Oakminster](#): > > > > Like I said, it’s poor sportsmanship. No amount of rationalizing is ever going to change that. I really, truly, and honestly wish people that do it would get perma banned. Preferably after being required to log in and watch a GM disenchant all of their epics or other gear. On all of their toons, across all servers. With DNA sampling so they can never play any mmorg ever again. I would also require they be branded with “I fail at life” on their foreheads, but that might be a little harsh. > > > > We’ll just have to disagree. > > Just don’t participate in BG’s. Problem Solved. No. Unacceptable. I refuse to miss out on part of the game I pay for because certain people are immature assholes that don’t understand the value of sportsmanship. I’m good enough that I can get legitimate kills without resorting to cheap cowardly asshole tactics. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3524 "2010-10-14T17:39:51Z")
That’s totally cool. Play by your own set of rules. Just don’t try to hold others to it; it’ll only piss you off. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3525 "2010-10-14T17:48:49Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Old Weather Flying? Really? I didn’t see that at all. Maybe your spellbook was bugged. [http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/flight\_masters\_license.jpg](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/flight_masters_license.jpg) It may indeed be a glitch/bug - it shows up in the spellbooks for both of my level 80 paladins, but _not_ in the spellbooks of my level 80 mage, my level 75 warrior, or my level 70 hunter (The 5 toons I’ve gotten to Northrend - I didn’t check any others yet. I only have one other toon with flying skill - my level 68 nelf hunter.) Seeing as how it’s only appearing on my paladins, I’ll agree it appears to be a paladin-specific glitch. > [@](#): > > It might be too late at this point, but you could consider opening a ticket asking them to refund the money and remove the skill. You could at least ask if you could get the money refunded that you wouldn’t have had to pay if you’d bought the training from a faction that would give you a discount based on rep. Eh, my mistake, my “punishment”. I intended to purchase the skill eventually, and I can earn the money back easily enough. > [@](#): > > It’s not just that–it’s universal mount scaling, AFAIK. \*Every \*mount will scale to the highest possible speed for its type based on your location and Riding training. Yup. All my ground mounts go 100% now (assuming Journeyman Riding) and all my flying mounts go 280% now (assuming Artisan Riding). And my human paladin’s flyers all go 310%. Dagnabbit. So I can dress [Eilyssana up in her Mexican outfit and put her on her Pinto mount](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/viva_eilyssana.jpg), and go full speed 😃 (I actually call her “Elysaña” in that outfit.) ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_Wombats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_Wombats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_Wombats)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3526 "2010-10-14T17:50:48Z")
Here’s a UI / Action Bars question. I can’t seem to figure out how to stack my action bars so that I can access multiple action bars from my keys. In other words, I like to be able to stick my DK’s Frost Strike and Plague Strike into normal 1+2 slots. I’d then like to be able to press Shift+1, Shift+2, and Shift+3 to cast Death and Decay, Pestilence, and Blood Boil, respectively. I can’t seem to figure out how to configure my UI to accomplish this. Is this possible? If so, how? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3527 "2010-10-14T17:53:49Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_Wombats](#): > > Here’s a UI / Action Bars question. > > I can’t seem to figure out how to stack my action bars so that I can access multiple action bars from my keys. > > In other words, I like to be able to stick my DK’s Frost Strike and Plague Strike into normal 1+2 slots. I’d then like to be able to press Shift+1, Shift+2, and Shift+3 to cast Death and Decay, Pestilence, and Blood Boil, respectively. > > I can’t seem to figure out how to configure my UI to accomplish this. Is this possible? If so, how? The way I would do it is to set up simple macros, then throw them into the action bar. For example, you want 1 to be Frost Strike and Shift+1 to be D&D. You’d create a macro with the following lines: ```auto #showtooltip /cast [nomod] Frost Strike /cast [mod:shift] Death and Decay ``` Then drag that macro into your action bar and you’re golden. The #showtooltip will show you either the info Frost Strike normally or the info for Death and Decay while you hold Shift. Without that line, the tooltip will only show you the name of the macro. ETA: I’m almost positive someone’s going to point out a simpler way through the keybind menu, but that’s how I habitually stack abilities into a single keypress. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3528 "2010-10-14T18:01:15Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > PVP is WoW for assholes. That’s just how it is. In any MMO, the most strident, combative, aggressive dickheads are the PVPers. It’s basically legal griefing, so it attracts that kind of player. Sportsmanship is not enforced, so it shouldn’t be expected. If you watch _The Guild_, you probably weren’t surprised that it was Bladezz and Tinkerballa trying to duel during the wedding scene 😃 > [@Oakminster](#): > > I’m good enough that I can get legitimate kills without resorting to cheap cowardly asshole tactics. Now I’m thinking about that undead mage named Ikillu on Lightbringer who likes to camp out in Wintergrasp Fortress between battles while the Alliance has control, and kill people as they they portal in from Dalaran. You step through the portal, materialize at the top of the steps in front of the door, and die to a barrage of Arcane Missiles before you even have a chance to look around for enemies. Me and another guy killed his ass the last time he did that (though only after he killed me first and I was able to sneak up behind him after rezzing). He’s the same guy I mentioned a while back who was exploiting the ability to fly into the VoA portal room (before the door closed) and up onto that central ring where he was completely untouchable, and from there was ganking people as they exited VoA. He hasn’t been doing that since I (and probably many others) reported his cheating ass. From what I’ve seen, he goes down quickly in a “fair” fight, so I guess that’s why he resorts to such cheap tactics. ---
**Author:** ![Enilno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/58f4c7/32.png) [@Enilno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enilno)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3529 "2010-10-14T18:06:49Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > Also, has anybody been able to get DBM or DXE to work? Our raid was quite amusing (not!) last night because nobody had timers. If you normally use Curse or something similar to update your addons, most of the time they will only have release versions. You can go to the addon development sites to get the alpha versions which are more up to date most of the time. Both X-Perl and DBM have functional alphas that work with 4.0.1. I don’t know if the raid frames for X-Perl is working, since I don’t use that, but the rest of it is. Here are some links: [X-perl](http://www.wowace.com/addons/xperl/files/) [DBM](http://www.deadlybossmods.com/), but be sure to get the 4.63-r4566-alpha version ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3530 "2010-10-14T18:07:29Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > > [@Oakminster](#): > > > > I’m good enough that I can get legitimate kills without resorting to cheap cowardly asshole tactics. > > Now I’m thinking about that undead mage named Ikillu on Lightbringer who likes to camp out in Wintergrasp Fortress between battles while the Alliance has control, and kill people as they they portal in from Dalaran. You step through the portal, materialize at the top of the steps in front of the door, and die to a barrage of Arcane Missiles before you even have a chance to look around for enemies. Me and another guy killed his ass the last time he did that (though only after he killed me first and I was able to sneak up behind him after rezzing). He’s the same guy I mentioned a while back who was exploiting the ability to fly into the VoA portal room (before the door closed) and up onto that central ring where he was completely untouchable, and from there was ganking people as they exited VoA. He hasn’t been doing that since I (and probably many others) reported his cheating ass. From what I’ve seen, he goes down quickly in a “fair” fight, so I guess that’s why he resorts to such cheap tactics. But that has nothing to do with BG graveyard camping. There is nothing to be gained from killing people zoning in to WG fortress, so it’s greifing. Same as corpse-camping. But camping a GY in a BG has a very clear purpose (keep them bottled up and not capping nodes/flags), and very clear rewards (a BG win, and a faster one at that). What I’d like to see, and what I think would address **Oak** ’s concerns, is basically what there is in Eye of the Storm. Make the “home-base” GY unassailable (but also impossible to actually accomplish anything from. If you want to “surrender” you can just chill up there till the match is over. I’d also add the ability to GY-hop to some of the BGs that don’t have it. As for the UI question, I use Bartender4 and show 3 action bars at the bottom of my screen with the keys bound to my various hot-keys, shift-, and ctrl-modified versions thereof. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3531 "2010-10-14T18:17:23Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > [http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/flight\_masters\_license.jpg](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/flight_masters_license.jpg) > > It may indeed be a glitch/bug - it shows up in the spellbooks for both of my level 80 paladins, but _not_ in the spellbooks of my level 80 mage, my level 75 warrior, or my level 70 hunter (The 5 toons I’ve gotten to Northrend - I didn’t check any others yet. I only have one other toon with flying skill - my level 68 nelf hunter.) Seeing as how it’s only appearing on my paladins, I’ll agree it appears to be a paladin-specific glitch. That’s actually a known issue with this patch, from the article someone linked to earlier. Paladins and Warlocks have Flight Master’s License in their spellbooks with the note “see your trainer”, starting at lvl 20. I wonder if that derives from both classes having native mount summoning abilities? If anyone has a DK they can check, you might want to see if that extends to DK (since they have the Acherus Charger ability (which (like pally/lock mounts) is not a purchased mount)). ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3532 "2010-10-14T18:24:36Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > What I’d like to see, and what I think would address **Oak** ’s concerns, is basically what there is in Eye of the Storm. Make the “home-base” GY unassailable (but also impossible to actually accomplish anything from. If you want to “surrender” you can just chill up there till the match is over. I’d also add the ability to GY-hop to some of the BGs that don’t have it. That’s not nearly as satisfying as my suggestion, but probably much more doable. And I could live with it. But let’s not rule out torture and/or waterboarding just yet… Why yes, I can be vindictive sometimes… ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3533 "2010-10-14T18:38:58Z")
To help one another on a quest during which one of them has to kill the boss (The Leaders of J’in Alai)? I read up on that one in Thotbot, and someone recommended that if you do this quest, others (even Horde) should help you because you have to kill so many trolls. So is this possible? Thanks Q PS: This is in Z’im Torga ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3534 "2010-10-14T18:42:46Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Like I said, it’s poor sportsmanship. Why? You rez with full health and mana, and even the ability to rebuff without any costs. How is it any different to attack you at your GY than elsewhere on the field? The only problem here seems to be that your raid can’t get coordinated. Move out of range of the rezzer together, then move back in when you’re all ready. You’ll rez at once, pop CDs, and kill them all right back. Better yet: rez together, get them to pop \*their \*CDs, then rez together again and pop yours. If you can’t solve the problem of being GY camped, _it’s the fault of your raid_. Not the opposing team. GY camping is a legitimate strategy, if a potentially stupid one with the potential of backfiring. But it’s accomplishing a valid objective. If they’re actually able to lock you down, it’s almost certainly because you’re rezzing one or two at a time, and/or some members of your team are off somewhere else. That’s a failing of _your raid_. If you get mad because the opposing team is killing you without hacking or exploiting, then you probably shouldn’t PvP. > [@Fuzzy\_Wombats](#): > > I can’t seem to figure out how to stack my action bars so that I can access multiple action bars from my keys. > > In other words, I like to be able to stick my DK’s Frost Strike and Plague Strike into normal 1+2 slots. I’d then like to be able to press Shift+1, Shift+2, and Shift+3 to cast Death and Decay, Pestilence, and Blood Boil, respectively. Option 1 is to make macros using [nomod] and [mod] or [mod:shift] arguments, as suggested by Bosstone. Option 2 is to activiate the other action bars that go across the top of the quickbar, drop the abilities into them, and then set the keybindings via that menu to be Shift+1, Shift+2, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3535 "2010-10-14T18:44:28Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > To help one another on a quest during which one of them has to kill the boss (The Leaders of J’in Alai)? Sort of. You can’t make a group with the opposite faction in the usual sense, where you both get credit for a kill. What you \*can \*do is help by attacking the boss once the other person has tagged it, and then they can do the same for you. Or, for a handful of bosses, they will drop an item on the ground after they’re killed, which anyone can loot to get quest credit. (I don’t know if this is one of those.) ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3536 "2010-10-14T18:46:24Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > > [@Quasimodem](#): > > > > To help one another on a quest during which one of them has to kill the boss (The Leaders of J’in Alai)? > > Sort of. You can’t make a group with the opposite faction in the usual sense, where you both get credit for a kill. What you \*can \*do is help by attacking the boss once the other person has tagged it, and then they can do the same for you. Or, for a handful of bosses, they will drop an item on the ground after they’re killed, which anyone can loot to get quest credit. (I don’t know if this is one of those.) I think this might be the quest where you have to keep mugging trolls until their bosses come out to fight – and the bosses do drop a thing on the ground that anyone can loot. So opposite factions can definitely help each other out on this one, both by chewing through the fodder faster and by taking down the bosses. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3537 "2010-10-14T18:49:29Z")
Much as I would like to, I won’t be able to ding 80 before sometime this weekend - not Friday. But if y’all hear a “Yee-Haw” from the south, that’ll be me. 🙂 Q ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3538 "2010-10-14T18:56:27Z")
It’s getting chilly enough that I might have to start closing the windows at night, but I’ll keep an ear out. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3539 "2010-10-14T18:57:14Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > > > Sort of. You can’t make a group with the opposite faction in the usual sense, where you both get credit for a kill. What you \*can \*do is help by attacking the boss once the other person has tagged it, and then they can do the same for you. Or, for a handful of bosses, they will drop an item on the ground after they’re killed, which anyone can loot to get quest credit. (I don’t know if this is one of those.) > > I think this might be the quest where you have to keep mugging trolls until their bosses come out to fight – and the bosses do drop a thing on the ground that anyone can loot. So opposite factions can definitely help each other out on this one, both by chewing through the fodder faster and by taking down the bosses. Yes, **Tom** and **SFG** , that’s exactly what I remember being written about this quest.. As an aside, me and the kids at my local Gamestop are WoW buds, but they’re Horde - both of them. The other day Shannon was putting up some new games and she accidentally backed into me (I was turned the other way). She excused herself and I replied, “Oh yeah! Uh-huh! It’s not enough we have to be enemies in WoW, now you’re carrying it into real life!” (Well, SHE laughed anyway!)😃 They’re both kids (like early 20’s) and they think it’s cool that an “old guy” like me plays the game, so when I go to get my hair cut, I stop in next door and say hello and talk WoW with 'em. They kinda “know” what’s going on with me, so when I have a quest question and no one’s here - they don’t mind me calling them. Q ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3540 "2010-10-14T19:05:29Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > GY camping is a legitimate strategy, if a potentially stupid one with the potential of backfiring. If you just can’t grok what is unsportsmanlike about ganking people as soon as they rez, there is no point in continuing this conversation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=176) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=178)