# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 192
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3821 "2010-10-19T20:20:15Z")
> [@Koldanar](#): > > None of my Ret experience is real world yet, so take this with a grain of salt (training dummy only) : > > The rotation takes a little getting used to, and it feels weird so far for AE…like, I’m forgetting something since I don’t have a button I’m hitting. Here is what I’ve worked out so far : > > Single target : CS - Judge - CS - Holy Wrath - CS - Zealotry - CS - TV - CS - TV (etc) > Basically, prioritize TV over everything else (it did about 25% of my damage on the dummy). Throw in Judge / HW whenever able, and hit Exorcism when it procs, but TV or CS aren’t ready > > AoE : Setup Seal of Righteousness, CS - Judge - CS - HW - CS - Zealotry - CS/DS spam. Consecrate just isn’t worth using anymore. Thanks – and yeah I’ve been trying out the EJ rotation and it still feels awkward with some gaps when nothing is off CD. I suspect at least one of those gaps will be filled once we get Inquisition. I have Cons at the very end of my rotation, and I don’t use DS much since it acts like TV and consumes all my HoPo. I’ll have to see if that meshes better. I don’t hit TV until I have at least 2 HoPo and I’m working on learning how to game the HoPo gain so that right after I hit TV/DS I’ll have another ability I can mash to regain at least 1 HoPo and I’m not just standing there twiddling my thumbs for a couple seconds. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3822 "2010-10-19T20:21:06Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > The third problem is that you’re a paladin. Paladins are a healing class because they have no good way to open. As a ret paladin, most fights will be decided on whether or not you can heal through their damage enough to last until you can burst a kill. This strategy is pretty weak though, since it’s vulnerable to you failing to do enough damage, them doing too much damage, or you getting CC’d at a critical moment. > > The fourth problem is that you’re running BGs, which have too many people. One uncontrolled free-casting caster will gib an entire group. These two facts are related, in my head. My retadin (and to a lesser extent my enh shaman) have niches in repeatedly stunning/hexing/herding/beating down lone support clothies, whether artillery or healer type. Ideally, and Palooka can correct me, but Retadins are best off in the pack in BGs, hunting down targets of opportunity and tossing heals otherwise, while keeping up retribution aura. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3823 "2010-10-19T20:38:33Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > That’s what I felt like too when I practiced. I felt like there was _something_ I should have been hitting, even though I was already busy juggling CS, TV, and Judge. I did 4000 DPS on the dummy though, which is about right for mostly 232 gear. I bet I could do even better if I got rid of the macro I tried that linked Zealotry and Avenging Wrath together; Hammer of Wrath is badass enough that it’s something you want to use during AW, but during Zealotry you don’t want to hit anything but CS and TV. That’s pretty much what I do too, but now they ([Elitist Jerks](http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t106276-retribution_concordance_4_0_1_a/)) are saying that separately popping AW and Zealotry is a 1% dps gain (under the “Cooldowns” section). > [@Jbone](#): > > I’ve found my paladin to be unplayable after the patch. It seems to be some kind of framerate issue that I can’t find any help on. I normally run with about 400 latency with 60 fps. Whenever I land some of my abilities, for holy, judging/aura switching. My framerate drops down to 10 or less. For prot it’s most of my abilities. I thought it might be a graphics problem, but it didn’t seem to change whether I had everything cranked up, or completely low/off. > Oddly enough, my mage has 0 framerate problems with any spells/abilities. > I haven’t heard of anyone else about having problems so I’m not sure what’s up. I put in a ticket, but I doubt it will help. I thought maybe someone else somewhere would be having the same problem. Last night, **Cherrie** advised me to use repair.exe program in the WoW folder which helped tremendously with my frozen/low fps rate. I also renamed my WTF folder to “WTFbackup” so it could create a new WTF folder with your account settings. It will reset your video/sound settings to default, but you can adjust them back to your liking and the fps is back to where it was before the patch. > [@Koldanar](#): > > None of my Ret experience is real world yet, so take this with a grain of salt (training dummy only) : > > The rotation takes a little getting used to, and it feels weird so far for AE…like, I’m forgetting something since I don’t have a button I’m hitting. Here is what I’ve worked out so far : > > Single target : CS - Judge - CS - Holy Wrath - CS - Zealotry - CS - TV - CS - TV (etc) > Basically, prioritize TV over everything else (it did about 25% of my damage on the dummy). Throw in Judge / HW whenever able, and hit Exorcism when it procs, but TV or CS aren’t ready > > AoE : Setup Seal of Righteousness, CS - Judge - CS - HW - CS - Zealotry - CS/DS spam. Consecrate just isn’t worth using anymore. I still use Seal of Truth and when I’m glyphed for it soon, I will get the 10 expertise which in turn means I can convert more expertise over to haste. I will then get rid of my [Vengence of the Forsaken](http://www.wowhead.com/item=47881) and replace it with a [Herkumi War Token.](http://www.wowhead.com/item=50355) Sidenote: I don’t know how it happened, by I critted for 35k+ on HoW last night on one of the bosses in FoS or HoR when we did some 5mans after our raid last night. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t Templar’s Verdict, but EJ did warn us that: > [@](#): > > If you do not have 3 HP and CS is on CD, move to the filler abilities. **HoW now hits like a truck, use it if you can.** Exo hits next hardest, if AoW has procced, hit Exo. If Exo is unavailable, use Judgement. Next up to bat is HW. Finally, use Consecration. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3824 "2010-10-19T20:45:24Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > Thanks – and yeah I’ve been trying out the EJ rotation and it still feels awkward with some gaps when nothing is off CD. I suspect at least one of those gaps will be filled once we get Inquisition. I have Cons at the very end of my rotation, and I don’t use DS much since it acts like TV and consumes all my HoPo. I’ll have to see if that meshes better. > > I don’t hit TV until I have at least 2 HoPo and I’m working on learning how to game the HoPo gain so that right after I hit TV/DS I’ll have another ability I can mash to regain at least 1 HoPo and I’m not just standing there twiddling my thumbs for a couple seconds. I know it sounds counterintuitive, but after your one filler/TV/DS spell, WAIT for your Crusader Strike to come off of CD and hit it next. Also, I tend to hit judgement every other cycle to keep the mana up. Next, work on getting your haste up so you can get your CS cooldown from 4 seconds down to 3 seconds and then things will not be awkward anymore - that is the key here…then you will be a lean, mean, killing machine! ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3825 "2010-10-19T20:51:32Z")
I’ve done very little questing on my holy pally since the patch, but it seemed like Excorcism has no cooldown. And since the cast time is longer than the GCD, I can just keep casting it over and over again (not that I’ve decided that’s a good idea). But you say “If Exo is unavailable…”. When is it unavailable? Or was I just not paying close enough attention? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3826 "2010-10-19T20:53:49Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I’ve done very little questing on my holy pally since the patch, but it seemed like Excorcism has no cooldown. And since the cast time is longer than the GCD, I can just keep casting it over and over again (not that I’ve decided that’s a good idea). > > But you say “If Exo is unavailable…”. When is it unavailable? Or was I just not paying close enough attention? I think they mean “If an instant-cast Exo is unavailable.” ETA: _taunts Yeti_ ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3827 "2010-10-19T20:53:51Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I’ve done very little questing on my holy pally since the patch, but it seemed like Excorcism has no cooldown. And since the cast time is longer than the GCD, I can just keep casting it over and over again (not that I’ve decided that’s a good idea). > > But you say “If Exo is unavailable…”. When is it unavailable? Or was I just not paying close enough attention? For ret pallies, it’s a dps loss when Art of War isn’t procced for Exorcism to be an instant spell…therefore we consider “unavailable”. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3828 "2010-10-19T21:00:04Z")
Ah, I get it. Still with the removal of the CD, Exo has (I think) become my go-to dps ability in between Holy Shocks. I’ll have to see what it does to my mana. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3829 "2010-10-19T21:03:46Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > I think they mean “If an instant-cast Exo is unavailable.” > > ETA: _taunts Yeti_ Didn’t hurt! ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3830 "2010-10-19T21:07:24Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > ETA: _taunts Yeti_ > [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > Didn’t hurt! Stupid HoR nerf. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3831 "2010-10-19T21:25:07Z")
For **FH** : I don’t see a learn button, all (36) of my talents (34 primary and 2 secondary) are active and glyphs are full. For anyone keeping up with WoW music: Anything new? Last link I got was the “I’ve Been Everywhere” - one. Candy buckets: Everytime I try to pick one up at a different location, it tells me I have a duplicate in my bags. Is it only one per day. It’s not Fall around here till I hear HH and his yelled-out poetry. Can I go after him, or is he just a voice NPC? Thanks Q PS: Once i visit the talents page, the icon stops blinking when I go back to normal play ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3832 "2010-10-19T21:39:07Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Candy buckets: Everytime I try to pick one up at a different location, it tells me I have a duplicate in my bags. Is it only one per day. When you click on the candy bucket, you pick up a _container_ of candy (called a Handful of Candy). You can only have one Handful of Candy in your bags at a time. What you have to do is, after you click on the candy bucket, go into your bags and right-click on the Handful of Candy and it’ll dispense the candy into your bags. Then you can go click on another candy bucket immediately (or whenever you get to the next inn). > [@](#): > > It’s not Fall around here till I hear HH and his yelled-out poetry. Can I go after him, or is he just a voice NPC? He actually comes down. In the secondary towns (Goldshire and Kharanos (and, I think, Dolanaar), there should be an orphan matron beside a tub of water. Click on her for the Firefighting Practice quest, then follow her directions to go practice dipping out buckets and throwing them on fires. Then go back and when the Horseman event starts, you can do the bucket brigade on the fires that he sets in the town (he’s flying around up in the air…that’s why you don’t usually see him). If you (and everyone else in the town) put out the fires, the Horseman will land and you can fight him, then loot his pumpkin head when he dies. You can bring the object that you loot from the pumpkin to the matron to get some goodies. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3833 "2010-10-19T21:54:31Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > When you click on the candy bucket, you pick up a _container_ of candy (called a Handful of Candy). You can only have one Handful of Candy in your bags at a time. What you have to do is, after you click on the candy bucket, go into your bags and right-click on the Handful of Candy and it’ll dispense the candy into your bags. Then you can go click on another candy bucket immediately (or whenever you get to the next inn). Basically, since it’s a “Handful of Candy”, your hand is still full of candy. Can’t grab more candy while your hands are full 😃 > [@](#): > > He actually comes down. In the secondary towns (Goldshire and Kharanos (and, I think, Dolanaar), there should be an orphan matron beside a tub of water. Click on her for the Firefighting Practice quest, then follow her directions to go practice dipping out buckets and throwing them on fires. Then go back and when the Horseman event starts, you can do the bucket brigade on the fires that he sets in the town (he’s flying around up in the air…that’s why you don’t usually see him). If you (and everyone else in the town) put out the fires, the Horseman will land and you can fight him, then loot his pumpkin head when he dies. You can bring the object that you loot from the pumpkin to the matron to get some goodies. I’m a bit puzzled about the HH - I can’t seem to attack him. At first I thought it was because he was just getting burned down too quickly by the closer 80s, but my mage tried casting a spell at him before anybody got to him and I just kept getting an “Invalid Target” error message. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3834 "2010-10-19T21:58:05Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I’m a bit puzzled about the HH - I can’t seem to attack him. At first I thought it was because he was just getting burned down too quickly by the closer 80s, but my mage tried casting a spell at him before anybody got to him and I just kept getting an “Invalid Target” error message. Was he actually down off the horse? He isn’t a valid target until after he lands and the horse disappears (and there seems to be about a 1/2 second lag after that, too). ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3835 "2010-10-19T22:03:30Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Was he actually down off the horse? He isn’t a valid target until after he lands and the horse disappears (and there seems to be about a 1/2 second lag after that, too). Plus if his head’s come off, you need to burn that down and not the body which goes immune. He’ll refresh HP when the two bits come back together. “it’s just a flesh wound!” ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3836 "2010-10-19T22:10:09Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > Plus if his head’s come off, you need to burn that down and not the body which goes immune. He’ll refresh HP when the two bits come back together. > > “it’s just a flesh wound!” Ah…never mind my post. I thought he was talking about the Horseman in the town, not the Horseman in the instance. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3837 "2010-10-19T22:27:16Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Ah…never mind my post. I thought he was talking about the Horseman in the town, not the Horseman in the instance. I’m talking about the one in towns - the Shade of the Headless Horseman. Can’t attack him. The real one in the SM is no problem. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3838 "2010-10-20T00:59:42Z")
My fire mage just picked up her third piece of T10, the robe. Bit confused about the new gems - are there no SP gems any more? ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3839 "2010-10-20T01:04:37Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Bit confused about the new gems - are there no SP gems any more? Nope. Int gems went red, so existing SP gems got converted to those. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3840 "2010-10-20T01:36:40Z")
Okay, I reached level 70 in that profession and so now I’m a “journeyman herbalist”. Where do I go next? The online guides say The Barrens, but not until 75, so I don’t understand: do I stay in Elwynn and collect 5 more herbs before moving to the Barrens or can I go now? Thanks Q [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=191) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=193)