# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 195
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3881 "2010-10-20T20:44:40Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Not a mount, but have you fished up Mr. Pinchy and gotten the Magical Crawdad companion pet for your wish, yet? That took me until well after WotLK dropped, but yes I did finally get that one after months of trying. Never did get that damn sewer rat in Dal, though, despite hours of trying. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3882 "2010-10-20T20:44:45Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Still not seeing anything unfair about shadowmeld. Rogues and druids have much better stealth available to them…all a non-rogue or druid Night Elf can do with it is stand in one spot. It breaks as soon as he moves. It is handy in PVE when I need to lose aggro…but still, not at all unfair to the Horde. Tauren get their stomp thing, Blood Elves get that mana drain thing, trolls get a haste thing…all have some degree of usefulness in PVP. It’s deeply gross in Arathi Basin, where it thoroughly messes up any attempt to scout out and strike at weakly-defended flags. None of the other racials have anything like a comparable effect. Mind, Allies are pretty sad at Arathi on my battle group so it’s pretty rare that there’s a group that takes reasonable advantage of it. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3883 "2010-10-20T20:45:59Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > They weren’t mine, but they do work so far as I can tell. I made them into a couple of On/Off macros: I click Off when entering the instance, then once the pumpkin has been clicked and disappears, I click the On macro and continue about my business. Easy peasy. > > It does turn tooltips off, which is infuriating during loot time. You want those back on ASAP. Here’s a modification of that line of thought that I found on the official forums: ```auto /script GameTooltip.Temphide = function() GameTooltip:Hide() end; GameTooltip:SetScript("OnShow", GameTooltip.Temphide) /stopmacro [btn:1] /script GameTooltip:SetScript("OnShow", GameTooltip.Show); ``` The /stopmacro makes it so you left click the macro to turn the tooltips off, then you can right click it again to turn tooltips back on. So you can combine both into one macro. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3884 "2010-10-20T20:47:49Z")
WotF breaks fear, seduce, and mind control on a 45 second CD and puts your trinket on that short CD. Every Man For Himself breaks everything the PvP trinket does on a full trinket CD. It used to be 2 minutes, which made it the best racial in the game by miles. It’s now 3 minutes and how good it is won’t be known until the new trinkets are out. Shadowmeld isn’t bad, but its strength comes from the combat break and not the stealth. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3885 "2010-10-20T20:52:18Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > It’s deeply gross in Arathi Basin, where it thoroughly messes up any attempt to scout out and strike at weakly-defended flags. None of the other racials have anything like a comparable effect. > > Mind, Allies are pretty sad at Arathi on my battle group so it’s pretty rare that there’s a group that takes reasonable advantage of it. Again, why does that matter, when Druids and Rogues can do the same thing, only better? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3886 "2010-10-20T20:57:05Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Again, why does that matter, when Druids and Rogues can do the same thing, only better? Because most groups (aside from some freaky premade) can’t put three to five stealthed druids and rogues at a single flag. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3887 "2010-10-20T21:03:00Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Because most groups (aside from some freaky premade) can’t put three to five stealthed druids and rogues at a single flag. They probably aren’t gonna put 3-5 non rogue/druid night elves there very often either. And any class can hide in the mine with a clear view of the flag to guard against ninja cappers. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3888 "2010-10-20T21:04:59Z")
Ninja capping isn’t a viable AB tactic in the first place, since the defending team gets 15 people to spread over 3 paths. You’re just being useless if you’re AFKing in shadowmeld at your rear flag. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3889 "2010-10-20T21:05:37Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > They probably aren’t gonna put 3-5 non rogue/druid night elves there very often either. And any class can hide in the mine with a clear view of the flag to guard against ninja cappers. Yeah, but the nelfs can also guard the blacksmith/lm/etc the same way. And if you’ve never fought against Allies who used that strategy effectively, I don’t think you’re in a position to understand how effective it is. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3890 "2010-10-20T21:19:19Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Yeah, but the nelfs can also guard the blacksmith/lm/etc the same way. And if you’ve never fought against Allies who used that strategy effectively, I don’t think you’re in a position to understand how effective it is. I ate Allies for breakfast in AB in all brackets under 50. Any class. Any spec. Any gear. Any strat. Of course I was a 'lock, and 'locks are just sick in PVP. Also have absolutely zero sympathy for any hordie whining about any alleged Ally advantage in PVP. In the Ruin battlegroup, y’all have been winning at least 2 out of 3 BGs as long as I can remember. Lately it’s been more like 4/5. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3891 "2010-10-20T21:25:20Z")
Yay! Elkano’s Buffbars are updated! ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3892 "2010-10-20T21:25:27Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > I ate Allies for breakfast in AB in all brackets under 50. Any class. Any spec. Any gear. Any strat. Of course I was a 'lock, and 'locks are just sick in PVP. > > Also have absolutely zero sympathy for any hordie whining about any alleged Ally advantage in PVP. In the Ruin battlegroup, y’all have been winning at least 2 out of 3 BGs as long as I can remember. Lately it’s been more like 4/5. Well, yeah, the only PvP the Allies win more than 1/3 in my battlegroup is Wintergrasp, where they are indeed very good at winning with a 5 to 1 numbers advantage. But it’s not my fault they’re a buncha carebears who never learned to PVP. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3893 "2010-10-20T21:35:36Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > . But it’s not my fault they’re a buncha carebears who never learned to PVP. Painful to admit, but I’d have to agree with you there. Seems like all the best pvpers are Horde. Allies own WG mostly because the Horde doesn’t seem to care enough to send many people to the battle. When y’all are in a mood to run VoA, the real pvpers que up for WG, and it’s over fast. And usually ugly. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3894 "2010-10-20T21:46:28Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Yeah, but the nelfs can also guard the blacksmith/lm/etc the same way. And if you’ve never fought against Allies who used that strategy effectively, I don’t think you’re in a position to understand how effective it is. Well, considering I started this whole “Shadowmeld is OP” furball, I have to point out that stealth-camping is not, by itself, a particularly viable defense tactic for holding points in AB. Sometimes the best defense is a rabid and visible local numerical superiority, plus the knowledge that a mobile attack/defense force is just seconds away from polishing off any understrength attack. Assuming it’s not a feint. Yeah, well-played AB can be like chess. Too bad most AB isn’t well played. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3895 "2010-10-20T21:50:34Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Painful to admit, but I’d have to agree with you there. Seems like all the best pvpers are Horde. Allies own WG mostly because the Horde doesn’t seem to care enough to send many people to the battle. When y’all are in a mood to run VoA, the real pvpers que up for WG, and it’s over fast. And usually ugly. I’m pretty sure the dice get loaded in favor of any side that’s lost more than one or two in a row in WG, which probably accounts for that more than anything else. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3896 "2010-10-20T21:52:11Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Painful to admit, but I’d have to agree with you there. Seems like all the best pvpers are Horde. Allies own WG mostly because the Horde doesn’t seem to care enough to send many people to the battle. When y’all are in a mood to run VoA, the real pvpers que up for WG, and it’s over fast. And usually ugly. Well, I don’t think that’s universal. On my server (Azgalor), Horde holds WG until the consecutive defense debuff gets outrageous. Then the Alliance holds WG for one cycle. And then the Horde takes it back. Lather, rinse, repeat. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3897 "2010-10-20T22:58:55Z")
> [@Jbone](#): > > Thanks! That’s the first time I had to use the repair utility. It worked great. Now the game is playable, hurray! > No I just gotta figure out how to heal with my new paladin talents. I ran voa 25m last night and found myself gasping for mana. The new spells seem great, but they don’t have nearly the same power as my old holy light. I’ll have to go read up on how to keep these tanks healed without going out of mana. > I haven’t tried my tankadin yet. I somehow always avoid testing a new spec out after patches, but I always found after I did, everything was fine and worked great. I now prefer to give everyone Blessing of Might instead of Kings for the mana regeneration, plus I like to drop a Judgement after every other Crusader Strike to keep the mana bar above 50%. It sounds like you have a Paladin with healing and tanking specs, but I think most of what I do can also be done by you…and don’t forget your Divine Plea! ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3898 "2010-10-20T23:23:54Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I’m having trouble with the “savior of hallow’s end” achievement. I picked up the quest from the matron to out the practice fires, and just as I did, HH came and attacked. So I was putting out “real” fires, but as I did I was getting credit for the five I needed for the intro quest. I turned that in, along with the “smash the pumpkin” one from HH’s head. But I didn’t get the daily quest to protect the village. That was on Monday – I went back last night and there was no quest to pick up. What have I missed? I’ve done this on at least two other toons but I don’t remember having this problem. It was sort of already answered, but it seems like you first have to do the bucket practice quest to be eligible for “Stop the Fires!”, and “Stop the Fires!” only pops up when things are actually on fire. I’m not sure, though. > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > **A Very Special Message for Raiding DPS:** > > Prior to this patch, you were spoiled. Tanks were able to front-load threat. We had more taunts/fixates. Guess what: you can’t unload out of the gate anymore. If the tank asks you for a couple of GCDs to establish aggro and start stacking their threat-increasing buffs, _sit on your fucking hands_. You have tools to manage your threat; use them. If you’re a DOT class, be especially careful and aware of how much damage you’re doing and how fast it will ramp up. That partly explains why that tank in H:FoS yesterday couldn’t hold aggro. Second trash pull, my mage waited a (formerly-)reasonable amount of time for the tank to get aggro before starting to attack, and next thing I know I had a mob all over me. I spent the entire remainder of that fight _not_ attacking, and instead running all over the place, repeatedly running the mob back to the tank, and he never did manage to get it off of me. I think somebody else finally burned it down. Of course, that tank was also an idiot. After that fiasco of a trash pull, I, the healer, and I think another caster all sat down to eat & drink because we were all low on mana and HP. And the tank proceeded to run off to the next trash pull, where he promptly died. Then the rest of us had to haul ass back to the entrance and out through the portal because now everything was coming down the ramp after _us_. Then the tank started bitching because we didn’t say “wait”. Um, look at your minimap once in a while, dumbass. If there aren’t any little colored dots following you, you’ve probably gotten too far ahead of the rest of the group :smack: Then he rezzed at the GY (healer couldn’t get close enough to rez him without pulling aggro herself), reentered the instance, and DC’d. > [@](#): > > Technical support forum is way more useful than tickets in these circumstances. You’ll generally get a much faster response. In-game GMs are more for things like “this quest won’t let me turn it in” or “I accidentally DE’d everything I was wearing.” Speaking of which, I saw last night that my mage’s ticket about not getting credit for “discovering” TB has been escalated. > [@jayjay](#): > > Another voice in support of **SFG** ’s mega-responses. I find them entertaining and informative. Heh. I only have trouble when I then want to reply to something in that wall o’ text, but have to quote the entire message and then locate that one sentence I want to address… > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Someone ( **Bosstone**?) already posted a temporary work-around for this. It’s a pair of commands that you can copy-and-paste or make macros for to turn your tooltips off and on. Run the one to turn them off as soon as you accept the dungeon invite; run the one to turn them on when the HH is dead. And spam party chat with an all-caps message not to mouseover the altar as soon as you zone in. Me! It was me! > [@Skammer](#): > > Speaking of mount-collecting, I picked up all of my Sha’tari nether rays yesterday! Woot! Now to figure out my next goal… My lvl 69 nelf hunter has been grinding kurenai rep for the talbuk mounts. And I just noticed last night how close my lvl 80 paladin was to Exalted with them, so I popped her into Nagrand and spent some time one-shotting ogres and collecting enough warbeads to get her within 2000 points of Exalted 🙂 Speaking of rep, anybody notice the minor, but wonderful change they madeto the rep window? The most recent expansion’s rep factions are now at the _top_ of the list. No more having to skip past old-world and Outland factions to see your Wrath factions. I imagine Cataclysm’s factions will be at the top come December. > [@Oakminster](#): > > Painful to admit, but I’d have to agree with you there. Seems like all the best pvpers are Horde. And not just Horde, but almost entirely blood elves, undead, and orcs, coincidentally the races I suspect to be most-played by those twitchy teenagers. So my pally has been doing her dailies, part of her efforts to rebuild her finances after accidentally purchasing Master Riding, and in the process she has been picking up a lot of random greens. Let me say that Cataclysm’s gear normalization can’t come quickly enough for me: 1. In the last two days, I’ve looted no fewer than three fist weapons … “of the Owl”. Dear Og, nobody buys NR greens anyway; why make gear even _more_ unsalable? 2. Damn near everything else that drops is “of the Whale”. Who even uses that? 3. I’m very glad my paladin can disenchant this crap. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3899 "2010-10-20T23:41:35Z")
Idiot tank: I had an unholy-spec DK tank with an “of the Ashen Verdict” title (so he definitely wasn’t a newb player) who wasn’t in **any** presence, and to whom the (experienced) healer druid eventually had to suggest the usual alphabet soup of powers to use. Even my lame-ass DPS was pulling mobs off him constantly. At the druid’s (decently worded) request, he left the instance for Dalaran, hoping we’d kick him rather than making him leave and getting the debuff. When the druid said this in group, he ninja-d/c’d and we had to kick him. A lower-geared DK came in and asked, “Tank d/c?” We replied with variations on “was incompetent,” “sucked,” “ninja-logged.” Near the end when people usually say stuff like “good group,” I added “hooray for good tanks!” and she did a little smiley face. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/3900 "2010-10-20T23:45:49Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > And not just Horde, but almost entirely blood elves, undead, and orcs, coincidentally the races I suspect to be most-played by those twitchy teenagers. Two of my guild’s best PvPers are a tauren hunter and a tauren resto shaman. And both of them are late thirty-somethings. 🙂 In fact, on our server’s official forum, a RL friend, but Alliance player, of the hunter posted a “here’s how we won’t get steamrolled all the time by the Horde in WG” post, and one of the bullet points included something to the effect of, “Make a macro of ‘/tar (hunter name)’ because he’ll be in the thick of it or at the head of one of the Horde’s major pushes.” 😉 I’m not sure how I’d react to a friend painting a target on my head in PvP! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=194) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=196)