# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/381 "2010-06-21T16:13:05Z")
Good weekend for my death knight! Friday night was our usual alt raid, for which he’s one of the two tanks. He finally completed all his quests last week so he could start picking up Shadowfrost Shards, and Friday he got his first four! Only 46 more to go. 😛 Yeah, it’s going to be awhile. But I was pleasantly surprised to find out that only those who are at that stage of the quest can even loot the shards–which means it’s me only for the foreseeable future since the other two people in the group who have Shadow’s Edge still need to complete the three Infusion quests. I suspect that once I get a few more shards, the raid leader will just decree that I get to finish my Shadowmourne before we move on to the next person. I hope so! In other news–I had some kind of tanking epiphany on my DK, and now suddenly I can tank heroics without stress! I’m not sure what happened–I did make one small tweak to my spec a couple of weeks ago at the suggestion of a guildie, which did very nice things to my threat generation, so that might be part of it. But suddenly I’m holding aggro and keeping it, even on large groups of mobs and against overgeared DPS aggro-hogs like my mage friend (who considers it his mission in life to try to pull aggro off me!) I’m still not sure I’m brave enough to try H-HoR (maybe with an all-guild group) but it’s nice to know I can tank heroics since that does make getting through the queue a lot faster and easier. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/382 "2010-06-21T16:13:35Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Only had time for a quick heroic yesterday on my priest, ended up with a DK tank who must have been new running with two of his guildies and another pug. I’ve complained about this before, but By God undergeared DKs can drop from 30k hit points to zero faster than I can cast a flash heal. He held aggro pretty well but on the pull I would toss him a shield, guardian, PoM, renew, and he’d already be close to dead. We wiped once on Krik (dps didn’t run out of poison nova) and three times on the ramp and once in the tunnel before one of his friends went and got his pally tank – after that it was really easy. Yes, DK tanks can fall _very_ fast. We don’t block (except with our face) so large groups will hurt a lot more than on a Pally or Warrior (who at high enough gear levels can just stand there blocking everything). The key, and when I finally felt like a half-way decent tank, is using the many many cooldowns pro-actively. You can basically have one of Anti-Magic Shell, Vamp Blood (for example), and Icebound Fortitude up at all times. Certainly no reason not to use them for large pulls, but it seems many new DKs don’t even know those buttons exist. Or the Blood tanks that use Hysteria on themselves! I got a few compliments just this week for actually using it on a Rogue and Feral Druid - sounded like they’ve never gotten it from a Blood DK tank before. 🙂 Been focusing on the tank a bit more, since the Hunter is still stuck at LK on 25s and his 10-man group runs Sat/Sun afternoons (too much else to do in the summer). Tanked 10/12 ICC10 and 6/12 ICC25 this week. Multiple 1% wipes on PP25 (with multiple DPS doing 3-4k…) made me sad. As does the fact that the Abom job is rather boring, IMO. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > **Boomkins** : Are all their spells really short-range, or something? All the boomkins I get grouped with seem to want to stand practically right on top of the scrum. It’s really not a bad idea for all casters with no minimum range. While tanking I’d much rather have a mob that got pulled off me standing right next to me than running 30 yards away. As long as they don’t use their knockback… which it seems folks love doing in random heroics. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/383 "2010-06-21T16:16:05Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Thanks - I’ve utterly failed to notice them. Are they _inside_ or something? I see lots of non-interactive NPC Valiants of various races sitting on benches and at tables around there, but just hadn’t noticed any vendors. No, they’re not inside. They’re just along the approachway to the ToC raid instance. They’re lining the wooden platform on both sides. You have to go up the stairs to get to them. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/384 "2010-06-21T16:16:14Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Thanks - I’ve utterly failed to notice them. Are they _inside_ or something? I see lots of non-interactive NPC Valiants of various races sitting on benches and at tables around there, but just hadn’t noticed any vendors. You know the four wings of the building that all lead into the central circle? They’re on the east one of those. Not inside the circle, but on the straight part under the awning. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/385 "2010-06-21T16:23:10Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > What’s your class again? > > If you wear plate, you can buy tier pieces at Tanks For Everything, which is at the northern end of the Magus Commerce district - it’s got the big, stained-glass window shaped like an axe. If you’re Alliance, talk to the dwarf; if you’re Horde, talk to the left-hand human behind the counter. > > I’m not sure where druids by their leather tanking gear. > > […] > > **Boomkins** : Are all their spells really short-range, or something? All the boomkins I get grouped with seem to want to stand practically right on top of the scrum. Leather comes from… Leather and Links, I think it’s called? Near the fountain. Just ask a Dalaran Citizen where the armor vendors are, and pick your appropriate armor type for directions. Boomkins tend to crit like nobody’s business, and on mine I tend to get a whole lot of aggro when AOEing especially, so I try to stand next to the tank to make it easier to pick the MOB back up. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/386 "2010-06-21T16:41:05Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > It’s really not a bad idea for all casters with no minimum range. While tanking I’d much rather have a mob that got pulled off me standing right next to me than running 30 yards away. I guess that makes a certain amount of sense. It’s just … they’re so _wide_, they sometimes make it hard for me to see what I’m doing. Especially after the fight when I’m trying to loot a corpse and keep right-clicking on the boomkin’s hit box 😃 > [@winterhawk11](#): > > No, they’re not inside. They’re just along the approachway to the ToC raid instance. They’re lining the wooden platform on both sides. You have to go up the stairs to get to them. Ah, that explains it. I’ve never gone up those stairs. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/387 "2010-06-21T17:07:15Z")
Well that was annoying. Queued up to slay Ahune, and got one-shotted by something I didn’t even see almost as soon as the fight started. The run back was so frakkin’ long that I made it back just in time to watch him fall over dead, pretty much missing the entire fight. Oh well, got the achievement anyway. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/388 "2010-06-21T17:13:15Z")
So I was in Sethekk Halls for the first time and we were going against [Talon King Ikiss](http://www.wowwiki.com/Talon_King_Ikiss). The people who had done the instance before told the rest of us that once the message saying he’s focusing his arcane energies comes up, to run behind a pillar. They never said anything about waiting for him to blink first or anything, so the first time I saw the message come on, I haul ass behind a pillar and get hit. Tank automatically says ‘wtg huntard’. OMG, I was just filled with rage after that. Letting me channel my unresolved issues with Phys Ed in school, let me explain. You know how the teacher will have you start, say, volleyball drills? And all the jocks already know the drills because they are on the team? But this is the first time you’ve seen this drill and the teacher gets one of the team members to demonstrate once, but because they know it by heart, they do it so fast you’re like ‘WTF did you just do?’? It felt like that. Sorry for being a huntard on my first try. Then after the battle when I asked why I was being a huntard, they just said ‘we gave you instructions before the battle!’. I like to pay it forward. When a group made mostly of one guild says their tank is learning, I’ll stick around and die a few times so that you don’t have to go through the queue a bajillion times. I’ll be patient. When I figured out that Shirrak drops a bomb where the person he was targeting was AT THE TIME of the message and people still stood there, I was patient. Well, for the first 4 or so wipes after telling people that, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/389 "2010-06-21T18:09:40Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Well that was annoying. Queued up to slay Ahune, and got one-shotted by something I didn’t even see almost as soon as the fight started. The run back was so frakkin’ long that I made it back just in time to watch him fall over dead, pretty much missing the entire fight. > > Oh well, got the achievement anyway. I forgot this started! Is there a level requirement for Ahune? I wondering if I should take my 73 pally around to get all the achievements, since my priest already has them. Is the Ahune loot any good? I got the non-combat pet last year; I’m not sure he drops anything else I’d be interested in. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/390 "2010-06-21T18:10:25Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Is the Ahune loot any good? I got the non-combat pet last year; I’m not sure he drops anything else I’d be interested in. He drops a level 232 staff and 232 cloaks for all specs. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/391 "2010-06-21T18:33:20Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I forgot this started! Is there a level requirement for Ahune? I wondering if I should take my 73 pally around to get all the achievements, since my priest already has them. > > Is the Ahune loot any good? I got the non-combat pet last year; I’m not sure he drops anything else I’d be interested in. > [@Bosstone](#): > > He drops a level 232 staff and 232 cloaks for all specs. He dropped a caster cloak that I just selected DE on. I already have a 264 cloak, though it’s for my ret spec. If he drops a tank cloak for me I might go for it. I think you need to be level 80. I tried to solo it at level 80 last year, because they forgot to change the quest info and it still said it was a level 70 quest, even though they’d bumped him to 80 (I think). Located and checked out those Triumph vendors at the Tournament. I didn’t realize I could “upgrade” my T9 stuff. I take it I need to do the raid to get Trophies of the Crusade? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/392 "2010-06-21T18:34:38Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Located and checked out those Triumph vendors at the Tournament. I didn’t realize I could “upgrade” my T9 stuff. I take it I need to do the raid to get Trophies of the Crusade? Yes, you need to run TOC10 or 25 (might be just 25). ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/393 "2010-06-21T18:36:18Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Yes, you need to run TOC10 or 25 (might be just 25). Just 25, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/394 "2010-06-21T19:33:15Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Just 25, I believe. Technically, they also drop in 10-heroic mode (TOGC10, it is sometimes called) if you defeat the final boss with \>40 attempts remaining. But good luck PuGging that 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/395 "2010-06-21T19:50:38Z")
Hmmm… just dug out my main’s Fire Festival clothes from last year, and I must say, the color scheme particularly suits her complexion and hair color (she’s a pale, blue-eyed redhead). Now to go attempt this torch-juggling thing. I just need that achievement, and the steal-the-fire-from-the-Horde-capitals achievement. Also, they’ve got these female dwarf Earthen Ring Pathfinders in rather fetching costumes 😃 ---
**Author:** ![aktep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f0a364/32.png) [@aktep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aktep)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/396 "2010-06-21T20:36:23Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I tried to solo it at level 80 last year, because they forgot to change the quest info and it still said it was a level 70 quest, even though they’d bumped him to 80 (I think). He was still 70 last year, but the mechanics of the fight made it difficult to solo on any typical 80. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/397 "2010-06-21T21:01:50Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Now to go attempt this torch-juggling thing. I just need that achievement, and the steal-the-fire-from-the-Horde-capitals achievement. Good luck, they’ve done something with it this year, last year it was easy but this year, oh boy. It’s still doable but it’s insanely difficult, the button mashing required is like nothing ever seen before in the history of videogaming! Only a slight exaggeration, but 40 torches in 15 seconds means almost 3 torch-tosses per second and it requires one key press and one mouse click per toss. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/398 "2010-06-21T21:04:44Z")
> [@martu](#): > > Hi **Q** > > You’ll need to get one of the connecting flight points from Harborage to HP - it’s probably Telredor you are missing, this is in Zangarmarsh South East of Orebor Harborage. If you take a screenshot of your flight points I can tell you for sure. > > To find Area 52 looking at this map [Outland Map](http://wow.incgamers.com/wiki/Outland_Map) you can see it is in the South West of Netherstorm (big red dot). You don’t have to land in Area 52 though - just pick a spot clear of mobs and land there to do your killing and skinning. Thanks, **martu**. That’s the best flight path map I have seen yet. According to that map, though, I don’t need to land at area 52 anyway, right, because it’s a Horde node? I am missing Telredor and I’ll get it tonight. Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/399 "2010-06-21T21:17:09Z")
Area 52 is neutral. Both factions can use it. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/400 "2010-06-21T21:18:03Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Thanks, **martu**. That’s the best flight path map I have seen yet. According to that map, though, I don’t need to land at area 52 anyway, right, because it’s a Horde node? I am missing Telredor and I’ll get it tonight. > > Thanks > > Q That map is a bit inaccurate, the FP in Area 52 is neutral, both Alliance and Horde use it. It’s also missing the ally FP in Evergrove, Orebor Harborage and Sanctum of Stars(but depending on you Scryer rep, the last one may not be available). Anyway, if it’s just about your skinning there’s no need to go to Netherstorm at all, at 350 skill you can skin any level 60-70 or so beast and still get skill ups, heck my rogue got to 380 without even setting foot in Outland. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=21)