# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 206
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4101 "2010-10-26T15:25:08Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > IceHUD tracks it, but I think I need something that makes an audible sound when it hits 3 HP. Does MSBT have a trigger for this yet? > [@Mekhazzio](#): > > Shaman tanking was common enough to be unremarkable in horde-side vanilla That’s because they were originally designed as tanks. OTs, anyway. > [@Mekhazzio](#): > > Yeah, 4.0 has a few hideously broken mechanic interplays that managed to slip through into live. You can add to that list “Hunters are able to summon an infinite number of pets.” The only thing that keeps this as mostly a party trick instead of something gamebreaking is that it requires a tameable beast, and the extra pets will despawn if you go through any loading screen. (So it can’t be used in raids, BGs, Arenas, etc.) ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4102 "2010-10-26T15:32:50Z")
> [@martu](#): > > Speaking, er writing of Holy Power anyone using Power Auras to track it yet? I got Shadowed Unit Frames working last night and the HP bar is OK but I’m thinking an aura would be better. I did. I have it set up to use [a gold perma-arc](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/lizardling/WoW/Ikakal-HoPo.jpg) that fills up as I build holy power, and some other procs around it as needed. If you’re interested I can try to figure out how to extract it, but here’s what I recall. The latest version of Powa will track hopo/focus/etc quite easily – once you’ve got that and have it set to invert, you can set a threshold, for hopo it’ll give you 1-2-3. (The invert is so it doesn’t disappear once your hopo passes the threshold). I also recommend checking ‘in combat’ so it disappears when you’re not in combat. You’ll need to set up 4 animations in Powa, 1 for the arc, and 1 for each threshold. And please ignore the stock sUF/buffs in that screenshot, I haven’t gotten round to redoing them the way I like them 🙂 ETA: You can also set powa up to beep or ding at you as well for each stage. I’m doing something similar for my hunter as well, just a thin gold arc that goes in 20-40-60-80-100 increments for focus. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4103 "2010-10-26T15:48:44Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Does MSBT have a trigger for this yet? MikScrollingBattleText? I’ve never heard of it before now, but if that’s what you’re referring to, the latest update on Curse says it does support both Holy Power changes and full Holy Power. Edit: That said, I might have to play with it later. Looks useful. I also need to revamp the -hell- out of Grid. Not looking forward to that. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Mekhazzio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@Mekhazzio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mekhazzio)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4104 "2010-10-26T15:51:37Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > That’s because they were originally designed as tanks. OTs, anyway. In the same sense that voidwalkers, hunters, hunter pets and paladins were, sure. They all had weak threat-generating abilities but virtually nothing in the way of actual survival capability. Bears were the only thing even vaguely resembling a tank that wasn’t a warrior, and even they were inferior to an arms warrior who threw a shield on. Without exception, all of the above are better tanks **right now** than they were in vanilla, but these days the idea of building an instance group around one would get you laughed at, because the real tanks have progressed so very far beyond that most basic of capability that it’s not even remotely comparable. However, that basic capability is what the content was made for. Naturally it becomes something of a joke when you throw one of the modern real tanks at it. It’s really not limited to tanking, either. Healing and DPS are also leaps and bounds beyond what the already intentionally undertuned content was made for, to the point where even groups that would have been considered undergeared in the era that it was current now blow through things without even realizing that some bosses even have special abilities, much less what they actually do. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4105 "2010-10-26T15:58:05Z")
> [@martu](#): > > Have you tried since the patch? I tried to solo Chillmaw for the first time since the changes and I killed him easily, ending up with maximum health and mana without use any big cooldowns. Just hit Word of Glory whenever you have 3 Holy Power and you’ll be fine. My pally is Retribution. I don’t know this Word of Glory of which you speak… > [@](#): > > Speaking, er writing of Holy Power anyone using Power Auras to track it yet? I got Shadowed Unit Frames working last night and the HP bar is OK but I’m thinking an aura would be better. I’m finding the built-in visual effects to be sufficient. Proc frustration: I swear that my pally’s Art of War, and my mage’s [whatever the proc that lets me cast a free Pyroblast is called - slipping my mind ATM] consistently procs when I land the killing blow and there isn’t another mob in range, so it gets wasted. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > BTW, am I correct in remembering that being 100% hit capped is not necessary for a tank? I just traded in a +hit two-hander for a +expertise two hander and now have about a 1.7% chance of missing raid bosses. Speaking of hit cap … I noticed my mage was showing like a 10% miss chance vs. lvl 83 bosses after the patch, so I went and reforged a crapload of gear, turning Spirit into Hit Rating. I hadn’t realized how much of her sub-T10 mage gear had Spirit on it. > [@kushiel](#): > > I know we had some sort of argument a few pages ago but I don’t know if this is the same: is it generally regarded as acceptable for the opposing faction to overrun the graveyard so that you are basically insta-killed once you rez? That was my last 5 min of Wintergrasp last night. This is the same as camping at the rez point in an FPS and I don’t think anyone finds that to be good sport. ISTR a new feature that lets you choose which GY to rez in, last time I got ganked in WG. Or did the other faction control all the other GYs? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4106 "2010-10-26T16:03:37Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > My pally is Retribution. I don’t know this Word of Glory of which you speak… Yes you do. It’s a new core healing spell, you don’t have to be Holy to use it. Bad Paladin, bad! _waves a newspaper_ > [@](#): > > Proc frustration: I swear that my pally’s Art of War, and my mage’s [whatever the proc that lets me cast a free Pyroblast is called - slipping my mind ATM] consistently procs when I land the killing blow and there isn’t another mob in range, so it gets wasted. Brain Freeze. > [@](#): > > Speaking of hit cap … I noticed my mage was showing like a 10% miss chance vs. lvl 83 bosses after the patch, so I went and reforged a crapload of gear, turning Spirit into Hit Rating. I hadn’t realized how much of her sub-T10 mage gear had Spirit on it. I call shenanigans. So far as I’m aware you aren’t allowed to reforge primary stats, of which Spirit is one. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4107 "2010-10-26T16:06:45Z")
Hey, all. Back from Blizzcon, and trying to catch up with all the stuff I’ve missed in this thread since I left. Did anyone else go, or watch the live broadcast? It was a lot of fun (and a lot of walking and line-waiting), and the best part was that one of my guildies won second place (out of 90 entries, most of them very good) in the Costume Contest! If anybody was watching, he was Illidan. We were all so proud of him when he bonked Jay Mohr in the head with his horns while trying to talk to him. 😃 [Here’s](http://media.wowstead.com/attachments/thumbnails/700/500/152/147/634236101929450481.jpg) a picture–the wings extended out to 16 feet! ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4108 "2010-10-26T16:09:28Z")
The only part of Blizzcon I was able to watch was Paragon’s defense of Orgrimmar. That was pretty badass. Other than that I just followed the live blogs on WoW Insider. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4109 "2010-10-26T16:19:03Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > I call shenanigans. So far as I’m aware you aren’t allowed to reforge primary stats, of which Spirit is one. Apparently Blizzard thinks Spirit is crap now, because it can be reforged and it’s not useful for mages and warlocks. I reforged the gear of my level 80 mage and lock to get rid of as much Spirit as I could. **Infovore** , that’s awesome! I checked out a gallery of costume photos yesterday, and my husband and I both commented on how cool that costume was. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4110 "2010-10-26T16:22:17Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Apparently Blizzard thinks Spirit is crap now, because it can be reforged and it’s not useful for mages and warlocks. I reforged the gear of my level 80 mage and lock to get rid of as much Spirit as I could. Go figure. It’s not that they think Spirit is crap, it’s that Spirit is the Healer Stat. Still, I kind of wonder why they didn’t just do for mages and locks what they did for hybrid classes – make Spirit the hit rating stat and get rid of hit rating on caster gear altogether. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4111 "2010-10-26T16:27:31Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > I did. I have it set up to use [a gold perma-arc](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/lizardling/WoW/Ikakal-HoPo.jpg) that fills up as I build holy power, and some other procs around it as needed. If you’re interested I can try to figure out how to extract it, but here’s what I recall. The latest version of Powa will track hopo/focus/etc quite easily – once you’ve got that and have it set to invert, you can set a threshold, for hopo it’ll give you 1-2-3. (The invert is so it doesn’t disappear once your hopo passes the threshold). I also recommend checking ‘in combat’ so it disappears when you’re not in combat. You’ll need to set up 4 animations in Powa, 1 for the arc, and 1 for each threshold. > > And please ignore the stock sUF/buffs in that screenshot, I haven’t gotten round to redoing them the way I like them 🙂 > > ETA: You can also set powa up to beep or ding at you as well for each stage. > > I’m doing something similar for my hunter as well, just a thin gold arc that goes in 20-40-60-80-100 increments for focus. Great I’ll get that working tonight, probably do something similar. If I struggle I’ll be back with a request for an export, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Shin\_Kell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/97f17d/32.png) [@Shin\_Kell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shin_Kell)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4112 "2010-10-26T16:30:08Z")
[QUOTE=Shot From Guns] Does MSBT have a trigger for this yet? [/QUOTE] Yes it does, I haven’t been able to play with the configurations yet but it does track holy power and gives you a big “FULL HOLY POWER” text that pops up when you have 3. Which is useful since my Pitbull frames have stopped tracking it for some reason. Looks like no ICC group this week… again. /sigh I guess I’ll just have to start pugging, that is if I can find pugs now. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4113 "2010-10-26T17:26:38Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Yes you do. It’s a new core healing spell, you don’t have to be Holy to use it. Bad Paladin, bad! _waves a newspaper_ Gimme a break - I’m a ret pally in mostly 264 gear. How often do I need to heal myself? 😃 > [@](#): > > Brain Freeze. Indeed, and still frozen, as I can’t remember the name of that Fire spec proc … damn this server maintenance stopping me from checking! > [@](#): > > I call shenanigans. So far as I’m aware you aren’t allowed to reforge primary stats, of which Spirit is one. > [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Apparently Blizzard thinks Spirit is crap now, because it can be reforged and it’s not useful for mages and warlocks. I reforged the gear of my level 80 mage and lock to get rid of as much Spirit as I could. Yeah, it’s the only primary stat I’ve been able to reforge. When I did some reforging on my paladin’s gear, none of the primary stats were changeable. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4114 "2010-10-26T17:49:03Z")
> [@martu](#): > > I second **Oak’s** suggestion of trying out a Wintergrasp battle. The first few battles will be damned confusing as you get a handle on the territory but that really doesn’t matter, just run around with a group of allies and attack the Horde whenever you see them. as you get more used to it you can worry about tactics and vehicles. I still get to loot, right, and what is the quality of the drops - equal to what I would get out in NR? Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4115 "2010-10-26T18:01:04Z")
You don’t get any actual loot, you earn honor points which you eventually spend on loot once you’ve collected enough. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4116 "2010-10-26T18:27:50Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > ISTR a new feature that lets you choose which GY to rez in, last time I got ganked in WG. Or did the other faction control all the other GYs? I noticed that and tried to move to a different one, but I think Horde controlled them all. We Alliance got spanked. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4117 "2010-10-26T18:30:34Z")
I think you can loot a few coins from a pvp kill, and you can get an achievement if you can emote /hug on a horde corpse before they release to respawn. Think it is called “Make love not Warcraft”. There are also lots of other achievements for each battleground. But the whole point of doing PVP is to get honor, which you can use to buy epic level gear. Or you can use honor to buy uncut gems which you can then sell on the AH for gold. Or mounts from races where you are not exalted rep. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4118 "2010-10-26T18:35:45Z")
I did a number of BGs this weekend, but ran into pre-mades twice. Once in WSG they had us all corralled in our GY (I died like 15 times). Then we hit another one in EotS in which we failed to capture a single tower - that one was over quickly, 1600/0. But for some reason, we dominated AB every time I was there. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4119 "2010-10-26T18:36:40Z")
One thing about PVP, that I haven’t seen anyone else mention, **Quasi** , is that people die a lot in PVP, which is fine because PVP doesn’t give you a repair bill. (Specifically, if another player kills you, you won’t get a repair bill. And you rez with full health, which is a plus.) Just have to run back from the graveyard to where ever the fighting is going on. – Last night we got an ICC 10 going with the continuation from the 25, and we decided to let me bring my priest (whee!) due to lack of heals. However I was shortly reconsidering that choice when we decided to have a go at H Fester. :eek: Second try, we were more prepared for how much the blight hurts and basically healed our nuts off. (2 hpriests and 1 resto shaman) Got through it very nicely too, but I was pretty much white knuckling it. Good night though – after some bad luck on BQL we got all the way up to Dreamwalker and rescued her successfully with a fourth resto shaman on the second try. I got the Pale Corpse Boots off Prince Valanar, which are purty. Regarding the raid lock system, after some more explanations of How It All Works complete with a demo courtesy of my priest who was saved 1 boss later than the rest of the folks who were inside, we’re trying something different with our raid schedule now. Changing it around so that the 25 is the first thing in the week and then smaller 10s later to progress from there. This should hopefully help with attendance since it’ll make it more attractive to other folks. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4120 "2010-10-26T18:58:22Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > hopo Heeheehee, “hopo.” > [@Bosstone](#): > > MikScrollingBattleText? Yup. Been using it and loving it pretty much as long as I’ve been raiding. It’s great because you can completely customize what shows up, so that all of the incedentals aren’t cluttering up your screen. > [@Mekhazzio](#): > > In the same sense that voidwalkers, hunters, hunter pets and paladins were, sure. I’d cut the pets out and just say Paladins. The Horde/Alliance Shaman/Paladin split meant that for balance reasons, both had to be at least \*vaguely \*viable three-way hybrids. This was back in the Golden Age of Warrior Tanking ™ where pretty much the only main tanks were Warriors, but that didn’t mean that a Pally or a Shammy wouldn’t do in a pinch, especially for an easier job. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Speaking of hit cap … I noticed my mage was showing like a 10% miss chance vs. lvl 83 bosses after the patch, What caused that, anyway? I noticed the same thing on my Mage. Was it just the loss of the +Hit Talents in Frost and Arcane, or was there something else? > [@](#): > > ISTR a new feature that lets you choose which GY to rez in, last time I got ganked in WG. Or did the other faction control all the other GYs? AFAIK, it’s always been that way–or at least it’s been that way for quite some time. You can move to any GY your faction controls. > [@Bosstone](#): > > Brain Freeze. No, Brain Freeze is when you get a free FFB, and it’s a deep Frost Talent. > [@Infovore](#): > > Did anyone else go, or watch the live broadcast? I subscribed (for the pet, mainly) and then didn’t get around to watching anything streaming. I just kept up with the WI summaries. Depending on how long they cache the videos for, I suppose I may go back at some point. > [@](#): > > and the best part was that one of my guildies won second place (out of 90 entries, most of them very good) in the Costume Contest! If anybody was watching, he was Illidan. Tell him he was great! I saw the photos on WI. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > I still get to loot, right, and what is the quality of the drops - equal to what I would get out in NR? In Wintergrasp and Battlegrounds, you’re almost always killing other players. If you “loot” the player (to prevent them from rezzing anywhere but at the graveyard), you may get a small amount of money and maybe a grey item with a silly name. Graveyards in WG and BGs work differently from the rest of the world. In these PVP areas, the Spirit Healer automatically rezzes everyone in a short range around it every 30 seconds, and there is no cost or durability hit or Rez Sickness. What you do get are Honor Points, which can then be exchanged for PvP gear. Because of the level of the gear, you may actually be able to find upgrades from what you’re wearing now. > [@lizardling](#): > > Just have to run back from the graveyard to where ever the fighting is going on. Actually, for BGs and WG, I’d generally suggest just waiting at the Spirit Healer for a rez. Most enemy players will loot your insignia, which will force you back anyway, which can lose you some time on a larger map. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=205) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=207)