# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 224
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2010, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4461 "2010-11-05T19:18:57Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > Alliance finally claimed Wintergrasp while I was in a dungeon, so I rushed down there to complete the fishing daily with the Terrorfish. Only got ganked once! I only play Horde, but I have to admit I sympathize with Alliance in this respect: there’s no remotely safe place to fish in WG for Alliance toons. The Horde can fish next to their own flight master (in the NW edge of the zone), with a couple of other NPCs as well, and that makes solo gankage a much higher-risk proposition. But the Alliance’s nearest defensible position is out of sight of any fishable water. My overinflated sense of fair play therefore keeps me from jumping a fishing Alliance player in WG. That and the fact that frankly, I suck at one-on-one PvP, and don’t have the spec for it. (Hunter PvP talent builds are still somewhat different from anything I’d use for PvE.) ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2010, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4462 "2010-11-05T19:24:50Z")
> [@Shin\_Kell](#): > > [King Krush](http://www.wowhead.com/npc=32485) is mine! Grats! (Though I’ll admit that even on my hunter, I’d probably kill him rather than taming him. I am quite irrationally still pursuing the [Frostbitten](http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=2257/frostbitten) achievement.) > [@](#): > > Just tamed him in Sholazar, wow that was a little scary. Was making a quick fly by of the Loque spawn points before lunch and there he was! He feared me out of the first tame into a mob of wasps so I’m going “OMG I’m going to die! Someone else will tame/kill him!” I feign quickly, rocket boot away from the wasps, pop my haste pot/glove enchant and tame away. Got him! My hands were shaking and I was waiting for another fear to break the cast but it didn’t! He’s such a pretty dinosaur… now on to Loque’nahak, Arcturis, and Skoll. > > For me, that was more exciting than killing the Lich King. Quite exciting. If I do decide to tame him, thanks for the heads-up. That fearbomb would suck mid-cast. And your story is also a good testimonial to hunter engineers (rocket boots AWAAAAAY!). ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2010, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4463 "2010-11-05T19:32:49Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > I only play Horde, but I have to admit I sympathize with Alliance in this respect: there’s no remotely safe place to fish in WG for Alliance toons. Actually, there is! In fact, there’s a spot where you can fish for Terrorfish in WG while standing in Dragonblight and thus not getting the PVP flag! Film at 11. ETA: Just kidding. I was going to try to find a map to show it, but the world maps aren’t helpful. There is a cliff above the small refugee camp on the very western side of Dragonblight, west of Icemist Village. Up on the top of the cliff there’s a small wind elemental spawn, a few rocks, and then water. If you kill the wind elemental and edge up toward the water, you can get close enough to cast and fish without stepping inside Wintergrasp. It’s tricky and may take a couple tries to find the boundary, but it’s absolutely doable. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2010, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4464 "2010-11-05T19:39:21Z")
In after edit: Because the bobber lands in a random place each cast, it may try to land on rock and give you an error message. Keep trying. If you’re close enough, it will land in water after 5 or so tries. It’s slow, but very safe. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2010, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4465 "2010-11-05T21:32:14Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > In after edit: > > Because the bobber lands in a random place each cast, it may try to land on rock and give you an error message. Keep trying. If you’re close enough, it will land in water after 5 or so tries. It’s slow, but very safe. I’ve found that I can creep up to the “pinch point” where the snow covers the rock which the rock is near it’s narrowest width, and still be in Dragonblight. At that point, I’m able to land about 4 out of 5 casts into the rock covered water. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Interesting. I have a similar experience with WSG (maybe 30% win rate, if that) and SotA, but in my experience Horde also wins EotS about 80-90% of the time. > [@Skammer](#): > > Also, and this is only related because it’s PvP, I hate Warsong Gulch. I’ve been doing a lot of random BGs and got stuck in there last night and we got our asses kicked (again). I’m noticing that in our group, Horde seems to win AB most of the time and Strand of the Ancients about half the time, but I’ve yet to see us win WSG or EotS yet. I haven’t been put in the others enough to tell. You can check your PvP stats on WoW Armory…I’m not the most dedicated PvP’r, but it says (although the stats do not add up correctly) that I have a total win percentage of 51% (71 wins / 138 games played). The breakdown for Yeticalayla is: AV = 11/37 = 30% (Arrgh!) AB = 18/27 = 67% EotS = 18/25 = 72% SotA = 18/28 = 64% WSG = 5/20 = 25% (HATE!) IoC = 16/20 = 80% (Leet LuLz pwnr!) For Wintergrasp, I have won 30 games, but I know we’ve won less than half of the time…my guess is that I’ve played 75-85 games which means my percentage would be 35-40%. Frustrating at times. Most of these games were played in my Ret gear with very little Resilience…probably why I totally sucked in WSG and AV since those are the most played and analyzed but I get away with murder in most of the other games if I get a quick hit and a stun. Once I get my PvP gear up to snuff, maybe I would survive a little while longer. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2010, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4466 "2010-11-05T22:12:27Z")
It’s been a good day for my dwarf hunter(who had been neglected until recently), I got the last three heroic drops I needed for him, and I finished exploring the Eastern Kingdoms(this was a vanilla char so he’s been around for a while but I never bothered to do any exploring with him), I think I’ll do Kalimdor towmorrow. Anyway I decided to do a few Strat Baron runs as therapy(I needed that after all those pugs) and grind some Argent Dawn rep. On the second(!) run our dear baron dropped something purple, so my hunter got himself a very [skinny horse](http://www.wowhead.com/item=13335). 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2010, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4467 "2010-11-05T22:51:53Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > I suck at one-on-one PvP, and don’t have the spec for it. (Hunter PvP talent builds are still somewhat different from anything I’d use for PvE.) Don’t feel bad, **gnoitall**. I got told in Wintergrasp a few nights ago that my gear is “for shit”. I have asked my friend at Gamestop (he’s Horde) to look at **Wolkie** in the armory and make some recommendations. Double L (Wollkie, my auction alt) is making a killing selling ice-spiderwebs and Borean Leather! I farm them in several different locations. We’ve already made 1k gold and I’d sure like to buy **Wolkie** some decent gear, but AH doesn’t have anything and the drops I get are lower in number than what I need. Need more honor points, I reckon. BTW, I meant to ask: Is Wintergrasp the same for every server? I just wondered if I might see some of y’all sometime just to say hello or something. I’m on Alex. Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2010, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4468 "2010-11-05T22:56:21Z")
Huh. Surprised. According to the Armory, I (rumpole) am only 16-15 in AB (I think some of those “losses” must have been battles I left early for oog reasons), but 9-3 in EotS, 10-4 in SotA, 7-7 in WSG, 1-1 in Isle of Conquest, and 2-2 in AV. ETA: on the other hand, Awsm is a big fat 37-9 in AB. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2010, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4469 "2010-11-05T23:11:19Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > BTW, I meant to ask: Is Wintergrasp the same for every server? I just wondered if I might see some of y’all sometime just to say hello or something. I’m on Alex. > > Thanks > > Q If I’m not mistaken, WG is server specific, so you will only fight with or against people on your server. Once Cata launches, I think they plan to combine the regular battlegrounds and random dungeon finder by region, so you will be playing with people on any server in the U.S., but I don;t know if or how that would affect WG. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4470 "2010-11-06T01:34:04Z")
Wintergrasp Report: We lost and Horde has control. Something weird happened to us tonight, though. After the battle, I hung around andkilled a few elementals, but then out of the blue a Horde came and kicked our ass and here’s the message I got: “Insignia taken. You can only resurrect at the graveyard” They took my insignia??? Is this serious? Also whenever I die, it looks like there’s a player standing next to the graveyard guide all the time. Is it his/her job to heal me quicker or is it just another player who got his ass kicked? Whenever we start into the battle field, **Wolkie** starts “shimmering” and all these icons show up at the top of the screen. Is he getting blessed or something before we start out. Finally the “share quests, please” request from the raid leader. Sometimes I get a message that “this quest can’t be shared today.” What is the reasoning behind this? Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4471 "2010-11-06T02:42:57Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > An observation: When I’m fighting an NPC, I find that Mortal Strike (that axe) gets me more damage than Rend does. Is it different for other classes? It also seems to make “overpower” and my sword in the action bar light up quicker when I do that. Rend doesn’t do a lot of damage “up front” - what it does is make a nasty wound that bleeds a lot, and it does “damage over time”. That is, it does a little bit of damage every few seconds for a set amount of time (I can’t remember how long off the top of my head). That’s why sometimes when you’re fighting an enemy who tries to run away, you’ll sometimes see them run a little way and then fall over dead. Rend “ticked” again and did enough damage to finish them off. Rend is also the attack that will trigger your Overpower, if you have points in the right talent. If you have 3 points in that talent (and I can’t think of the name, sorry), then every time Rend “ticks” for damage, you get a free Overpower. Mortal Strike doesn’t have anything to do with it. What Mortal Strike does is make healing less effective for your enemy. > [@](#): > > 1. I’m not sure how I should use “Victory Rush”. I know if there’s another enemy nearby it is supposed to help me in some way and when it’s lit up like a neon sign, I always use it when I attack my next enemy (which is up close), but that’s all I do - just click on it. Should I Charge and THEN click on it? Victory Rush is basically just a free (that is, it doesn’t cost any Rage to use), instant attack. After you kill an enemy that gives you experience or honor (essentially, any enemy whose level isn’t gray), you have 20 seconds to find another enemy and use Victory Rush. It doesn’t do a whole lot of damage, but every little bit helps 🙂 > [@kushiel](#): > > Not having much luck with the rifts, only have one so far, and that’s because it’s all the hell over Dragonblight. This game has too many damn things that look like rifts. I have yet to find a single rift in Northrend. > [@gnoitall](#): > > I only play Horde, but I have to admit I sympathize with Alliance in this respect: there’s no remotely safe place to fish in WG for Alliance toons. The Horde can fish next to their own flight master (in the NW edge of the zone), with a couple of other NPCs as well, and that makes solo gankage a much higher-risk proposition. But the Alliance’s nearest defensible position is out of sight of any fishable water. My Alliance toons always fish in the water in the Sunken Ring. Never been attacked while fishing there. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > Something weird happened to us tonight, though. > > After the battle, I hung around andkilled a few elementals, but then out of the blue a Horde came and kicked our ass and here’s the message I got: “Insignia taken. You can only resurrect at the graveyard” > > They took my insignia??? Is this serious? Yeah, if you click on an enemy corpse before they can “release”, you’ll take their “insignia” and they’ll be forced to rez at a graveyard. That means, I’m guessing, that one of their allies (like a priest, paladin, or druid) can’t rez them right where they died. Basically, it means they’re out of the battle until they can run all the way back. > [@](#): > > Also whenever I die, it looks like there’s a player standing next to the graveyard guide all the time. Is it his/her job to heal me quicker or is it just another player who got his ass kicked? Yup, it’s probably somebody else waiting to rez. > [@](#): > > Whenever we start into the battle field, **Wolkie** starts “shimmering” and all these icons show up at the top of the screen. Is he getting blessed or something before we start out. Yes. Before battles start, everybody who has buffs to give hands them out. My paladin gives everybody a Blessing of Might. Mages give everybody Arcane Brilliance (though that won’t do you any good, because it increases mana, which you don’t use). Druids and priest have buffs they can give too, and so do some other classes. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4472 "2010-11-06T03:27:46Z")
Just got Seeker! That one snuck up on me. I’m also 17 quests away from Loremaster (the meta-Loremaster). ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4473 "2010-11-06T04:34:59Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > I only play Horde, but I have to admit I sympathize with Alliance in this respect: there’s no remotely safe place to fish in WG for Alliance toons. The Horde can fish next to their own flight master (in the NW edge of the zone), with a couple of other NPCs as well, and that makes solo gankage a much higher-risk proposition. But the Alliance’s nearest defensible position is out of sight of any fishable water. > > My overinflated sense of fair play therefore keeps me from jumping a fishing Alliance player in WG. That and the fact that frankly, I suck at one-on-one PvP, and don’t have the spec for it. (Hunter PvP talent builds are still somewhat different from anything I’d use for PvE.) My overinflated sense of being a complete dick in PvP leads me to hide in the bushes near fishing Alliance folks, and then ganking Hordies expecting to 1v1 the nice harvester. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4474 "2010-11-06T06:01:26Z")
Have any of y’all used Leatrix to fix your WoW latency problems? Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4475 "2010-11-06T14:32:16Z")
I set TCPAckFrequency to 1 – which is what Leatrix basically does – to help with latency and it worked like it should. It’ll only help if queued TCP packets are the source of your problem though, which is a matter of where you live, your ISP, what server you’re trying to connect to, and the path your Internet traffic takes to get there. You really shouldn’t do it without accounting for those variables, since it can cause problems and there no point stacking more problems on a connection it won’t improve. Namely, it’ll choke out your connection if you’re running too many TCP/IP connections concurrently, which results in massive lag spikes or even disconnections. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4476 "2010-11-06T14:55:23Z")
Picked up my [Horn of the Frostwolf Howler](http://www.wowhead.com/item=19029) last night! The reason I’ve been doing all this PvP is to collect the mounts, and this was at the top of the list. Also MC’d a few people off the lumber mill in AB last night but couldn’t quite pull it off in EotS… everyone kept resisting it, or control wouldn’t last long enough. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4477 "2010-11-06T14:56:06Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > My overinflated sense of being a complete dick in PvP leads me to hide in the bushes near fishing Alliance folks, and then ganking Hordies expecting to 1v1 the nice harvester. That’s the other thing. Sometimes, a tasty target is just bait. In one instance group (before magic random-PUGs, where you’d have to form your party and hoof it to the dungeon), one party member decided to jump a lvl 49 nelf player that looked all alone in the halls of Blackrock Mountain. Turns out the nelf had 4 other shadowmelded nelf friends, all 60s. (We were all low-50s getting ready to run BRD). That ended… poorly. The rest of the party got wiped, even if some of us never took a shot at the initial target, just because we were part of the aggressor’s party. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4478 "2010-11-06T15:18:37Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Yeah, if you click on an enemy corpse before they can “release”, you’ll take their “insignia” and they’ll be forced to rez at a graveyard. That means, I’m guessing, that one of their allies (like a priest, paladin, or druid) can’t rez them right where they died. Basically, it means they’re out of the battle until they can run all the way back. Other way around, actually. The default way to rez in a battleground is to release, at which point you find yourself at one of your side’s battleground graveyards. Then you wait for the respawn timer, which is 30 seconds, but running continuously (so you could arrive at the graveyard with 29 seconds to go, or 2). When the timer expires, everyone waiting at the GY is rezzed simultaneously, at full health, but with no buffs (except those that persist through death). If no one loots your corpse on the battlefield, you can ghost-run over to the corpse and rez on the spot, just like rezzing in PvE: stand near the corpse, click the “resurrect” button, and there you are. But you’re not full health or mana, just like PvE rez. And you may be standing near some baddies. So most people don’t do it. Nonetheless, it’s good policy to loot the corpses of your fallen PvP foes, if possible (i.e., probably not in the middle of hot combat). You get a smidge of silver, and maybe a vendor trash item. And in AV, maybe the vendor trash item will be an [autographed picture of Foror & Tigule](http://www.wowhead.com/item=18228), the looting of which accomplishes a [PvP achievement.](http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=1166) ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4479 "2010-11-06T16:25:50Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I have yet to find a single rift in Northrend. And this is no longer true. My draenei warrior stumbled upon a rift spewing air elementals in the elven ruins in the eastern part of Crystalsong Forest. I sort of mentioned that my warrior finally did Battle for the Undercity recently, but I neglected to ask at the time: did they nerf that event? A couple things I noticed were that that giant worm in the sewer never once picked me up and waved me around (as if Blizzard finally realized that nobody really enjoyed that — I mean, nothing like feeling absolutely useless in a fight) and then later on when all the demons attack in the outer ring after you leave the sewers, those demons seemed to be fewer and seemed to die more quickly. The battle against Putress was just as tedious as ever, though. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/4480 "2010-11-06T16:52:01Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > And this is no longer true. My draenei warrior stumbled upon a rift spewing air elementals in the elven ruins in the eastern part of Crystalsong Forest. > I sort of mentioned that my warrior finally did Battle for the Undercity recently, but I neglected to ask at the time: did they nerf that event? A couple things I noticed were that that giant worm in the sewer never once picked me up and waved me around (as if Blizzard finally realized that nobody really enjoyed that — I mean, nothing like feeling absolutely useless in a fight) and then later on when all the demons attack in the outer ring after you leave the sewers, those demons seemed to be fewer and seemed to die more quickly. > > The battle against Putress was just as tedious as ever, though. Now trying doing that when you’re the only player there - so it’s you, Varian and Jaina. That was fun! :rolleyes: For anyone doing **Tripping the Rifts** - you don’t need to kill the rift yourself. You just need to be there and get a hit in on one of the elementals around it. I came into two rift battles in progress where there were other players but I still got the buffs after. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=223) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=225)