# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 252
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5021 "2010-11-18T21:08:04Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > Why? As long as they’re not in front of your car or stealing your food, what could you possibly have against badgers? Well, I just said I didn’t \*need \*them. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Is there something in today’s education/youth culture that prompts the kids to think everything is a fucking race/contest? Dailies are tedious. Most people kill fastest when they collect large groups and AOE them down–it’s just more efficient. And the faster they kill mobs, the faster they’ll respawn. Speaking personally, anytime I need to kill a bunch of something, I’ll gather up as many as I can and then kill them all at once. Does it bother me when I see somebody killing one at a time? No, but I’m going to keep AOEing my targets down. You don’t get a claim on mobs just by being near them. There’s a tagging mechanism in the game for a reason–if you want kill credit for something, hit it first. Also, it’s entirely possible that the other person didn’t even see you–just yesterday, I charged into a pack of Frenzyheart for an Oracle daily and took a few GCDs to notice a pink nameplate in the mix–a Horde Paladin. I backed off before I killed the poor sap and emoted a /sorry at them that I hope they noticed. Also, you get an eyeroll for “liberal economics”: :rolleyes:. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5022 "2010-11-18T21:32:35Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Badgers? I don’t need no stinking badgers. Badgers! Would love a badger pet. It seems like most of the new pets coming around are miniature demons or machines. I’m trying to find more cute pets, but looking at Petopia (I might be mixing that up with the Hunter pet site) there are so many cute retired pets. I miss Baby Blizzard Bear the most, I didn’t start the game until after that. Perky Pug is fun though. But yeah, we’re getting Lil’ Deathwing with the Collector’s Edition, Lil’ Deathy at Blizzcon 2010, Core Hound Pups…the prestige pets aren’t cats or rabbits or puppies or WarChickens. I definitely want one of the new Boomkin (or are they Moonkin?) pets though, and the Tree Form pet. In related news, did a Heroic Violet Hold the other day and someone brought out their Phoenix pet. It was the first time I’d seen one! I loved it. I really need to switch servers to get in an Alliance Doper guild that would run raids for the gameplay challenged. ---
**Author:** ![Clawdio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d07c76/32.png) [@Clawdio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clawdio)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5023 "2010-11-18T21:38:51Z")
I agree that its kind of rude but… I also remember griding my way to epic flying in BC by doing (among others) Isle of Quel’danas dailies… where you had many players both horde & alliance running around in one small area all fighting for the same mobs. If you didn’t run around tagging everything as quickly as possible, you were gonna be there all day. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5024 "2010-11-18T21:46:18Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > I definitely want one of the new Boomkin (or are they Moonkin?) pets though, and the Tree Form pet. Boomkin = Moonkin. It’s just a nickname for Balance Druids, because they use the Moonkin form and blow shit up. See also: OOMkin (fairly defunct now). > [@](#): > > I really need to switch servers to get in an Alliance Doper guild that would run raids for the gameplay challenged. 1.) The phoenix pet comes from the last boss of Magister’s Terrace, a five-man instance on the Isle of Quel’Danas. Can’t be sure, but I think it might only drop on the Heroic version. He also has a small chance to drop a Hawkstrider mount. 2.) Unfortunately, there’s no official, active Alliance-side SDMB guild. It’s possible that somebody here who plays Alliance is in a casual guild that’s recruiting, though! ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5025 "2010-11-18T21:58:16Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > There’s a tagging mechanism in the game for a reason–if you want kill credit for something, hit it first. Paladins are at a disadvantage, in that every damn ability has a several-second CD on it, and the few instant-cast abilities we have that _don’t_ have a CD are proc-based, so we can’t even use them until we’ve already damaged something sufficiently. > [@](#): > > Also, it’s entirely possible that the other person didn’t even see you You know those pairs of Jotunheim vrykul - where there’s a male and a female standing next to each other? Yeah, I run up and attack the male and as I’m fighting him somebody else runs up and attacks the female. Of course, I was using my paladin’s Stealth ability, so it’s possible they didn’t see me there :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Also, you get an eyeroll for “liberal economics”: :rolleyes:. Fair enough. I should have simply said “zero-sum economics” without mentioning who tends to believe the philosophy of “if you have some there’s none for me, so I need to take yours away”. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5026 "2010-11-18T22:00:56Z")
> [@Clawdio](#): > > I agree that its kind of rude but… > > I also remember griding my way to epic flying in BC by doing (among others) Isle of Quel’danas dailies… where you had many players both horde & alliance running around in one small area all fighting for the same mobs. If you didn’t run around tagging everything as quickly as possible, you were gonna be there all day. I can understand it in a free-for-all where lots of people are trying to accomplish the same objective. But when there’s one lonely person there when you arrive, there’s just no good reason that you just _have_ to land 20 feet away from them and start tagging the exact same mobs that person is going after, when there’s a crapload more of them right over there. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5027 "2010-11-18T22:01:04Z")
Actually the Burning Dog Legaion (SDMB-Horde guild on Cairne) has an Alliance sister guild on the same server. I can’t remember the name, exactly, and I don’t think it’s very active, but there you go. It will probably see at least some activity from some of us who might want to try out Worgens. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5028 "2010-11-18T22:01:44Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Fair enough. I should have simply said “zero-sum economics” without mentioning who tends to believe the philosophy of “if you have some there’s none for me, so I need to take yours away”. 😃 :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5029 "2010-11-18T22:02:46Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Actually the Burning Dog Legaion (SDMB-Horde guild on Cairne) has an Alliance sister guild on the same server. I can’t remember the name, exactly, and I don’t think it’s very active, but there you go. It will probably see at least some activity from some of us who might want to try out Worgens. Burning Tongue Brigade. Last I checked there were maybe 2 characters (not counting mine) who had logged in in the last year. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5030 "2010-11-18T22:04:24Z")
Okay guys, 90% of this board is devoted to mischaracterizing political opponents, can we leave this thread alone? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5031 "2010-11-18T22:04:58Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Okay guys, 90% of this board is devoted to mischaracterizing political opponents, can we leave this thread alone? “guys”? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5032 "2010-11-18T22:07:57Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > “guys”? Shush, trying to be conciliatory here. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5033 "2010-11-18T22:16:59Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Boomkin = Moonkin. It’s just a nickname for Balance Druids, because they use the Moonkin form and blow shit up. See also: OOMkin (fairly defunct now). > > 1.) The phoenix pet comes from the last boss of Magister’s Terrace, a five-man instance on the Isle of Quel’Danas. Can’t be sure, but I think it might only drop on the Heroic version. He also has a small chance to drop a Hawkstrider mount. > > 2.) Unfortunately, there’s no official, active Alliance-side SDMB guild. It’s possible that somebody here who plays Alliance is in a casual guild that’s recruiting, though! Wait, Kael drops it in a 5-man? I thought it was just 10+! Argh, I’m so mad at myself for rushing through BC to get to Wrath. I don’t even have half the dungeons done, whether or not in Heroic. If I ever seriously go back to my alt in the Burning Dog Legion I’ll have to stay in Outlands as long as possible seeing as I already know Northrend through my main. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5034 "2010-11-18T22:20:37Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > 1.) The phoenix pet comes from the last boss of Magister’s Terrace, a five-man instance on the Isle of Quel’Danas. Can’t be sure, but I think it might only drop on the Heroic version. He also has a small chance to drop a Hawkstrider mount. The Phoenix Hatchling does drop in Normal MgT, but the drop rate is much lower. The Hawkstrider mount only drops in Heroic, and the drop rate is very low. Took my DK forever to farm that thing, and in the process he got numerous Phoenix Hatchlings. Which brings me to one of my WoW-related annoyances: why are pets not even vendorable if you already have one? It makes me sad to have to destroy it–even a few silver would make me feel like I wasn’t killing baby birds (or whatever). ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5035 "2010-11-18T22:21:57Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > Wait, Kael drops it in a 5-man? I thought it was just 10+! In 25 man Tempest Keep he has a very, very small chance of dropping Ashes of A’lar–the phoenix mount. Otherwise known as “The Thing in WoW that I Want More Than Any Other.” The pet version comes from MgT. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5036 "2010-11-18T22:33:22Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Burning Tongue Brigade. Last I checked there were maybe 2 characters (not counting mine) who had logged in in the last year. Yeah. Not likely to be organizing raids any time soon! ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5037 "2010-11-18T22:39:20Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > You know those pairs of Jotunheim vrykul - where there’s a male and a female standing next to each other? Yeah, I run up and attack the male and as I’m fighting him somebody else runs up and attacks the female. Of course, I was using my paladin’s Stealth ability, so it’s possible they didn’t see me there :rolleyes: If you want to kill both mobs, why don’t you open with an AOE attack? Anything you haven’t tagged is fair game for anybody else. That’s the way the game works. > [@Skammer](#): > > Actually the Burning Dog Legaion (SDMB-Horde guild on Cairne) has an Alliance sister guild on the same server. I can’t remember the name, exactly, and I don’t think it’s very active, but there you go. Yeah, I didn’t bother mentioning it since \*\*kushiel \*\*seemed to be specifically looking for an active raiding guild. > [@kushiel](#): > > Wait, Kael drops it in a 5-man? I thought it was just 10+! Like \*\*Infovore \*\*said, you’re thinking of the raid, The Eye, usually just known as Tempest Keep (TK). After his defeat there, Kael’Thas was later added as a five-man boss in Magister’s Terrace. (Thus the origin of the “ was merely a setback” meme, from his RP dialogue as you pull him, which starts “Tempest Keep was merely a setback!”) In TK, he drops the flying mount. In MT, he drops the pet and/or ground mount. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5038 "2010-11-18T22:43:28Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > Which brings me to one of my WoW-related annoyances: why are pets not even vendorable if you already have one? It makes me sad to have to destroy it–even a few silver would make me feel like I wasn’t killing baby birds (or whatever). Most pets are. I know I bought a buttload of Alliance pets on my Orc DK when I was pushing the companion pet achievements. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5039 "2010-11-18T22:43:31Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > The Phoenix Hatchling does drop in Normal MgT, but the drop rate is much lower. The Hawkstrider mount only drops in Heroic, and the drop rate is very low. Took my DK forever to farm that thing, and in the process he got numerous Phoenix Hatchlings. I’d be happy if that damn fool would just drop the leatherworking patterns and engineering schematics he’s supposed to drop. My completionist OCD mania makes me go back into that damn instance over and over, and he’s only dropped 1 LW pattern in the half-dozen times I’ve killed him. And I hate that instance, I really do. Long, tedious, potentially lethal (mis-handle the stupid mana wyrm swarms once to see what I mean)… and worthless for anything other than the patterns. (Exalted already with SSO, thanks.) > [@](#): > > Which brings me to one of my WoW-related annoyances: why are pets not even vendorable if you already have one? It makes me sad to have to destroy it–even a few silver would make me feel like I wasn’t killing baby birds (or whatever). Certainly, some pets used to be vendable. I have gotten a dozen random pets from the Oracle [Mysterious Egg](http://www.wowhead.com/item=39878/mysterious-egg), and they used to sell to any vendor for about 20 silver. Now they don’t want 'em. Maybe they’re tired of me pawning off the latest patio pets on them. It’s not my fault that damn [Green Proto-Drake](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44707) doesn’t hatch. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5040 "2010-11-18T22:50:58Z")
At one time I made pretty good money farming the Black Tabby pet in Silverpine Forest. Is H-MgT soloable in level 80 raid gear? My pally could probably do it, but my priest couldn’t even take down Terokk by himself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=251) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=253)