# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 259
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5162 "2010-11-22T18:36:30Z")
Crossed SMV off the Loremaster list. šŸ˜ƒ However I ran face first into a rather nasty bug out there in Netherwing Ledge. Apparently while youā€™re under the influence of the Dragonmaw Orc shapeshift, itā€™ll automatically remount you on a Drake. And I mean automatically. You canā€™t even finish casting a spell before _bang_, youā€™re on a drake again. I found this out when I was trying to kill Vhelā€™drak. Trying being the operative word due to this bug. That said, thereā€™s three reasons Iā€™ll be heading back after I clear the last 3 zones in Outland: The netherwing grind. The David Wayne chain. The Teron Gorefiend chain (but only when theyā€™ve fixed that gd bug). **Rik** , you still have people who clear the elemental invasions? Iā€™m jealous! On my server, people have quit doing it. Which sucks for people who could still use the items. (Iā€™m looking at you, tank who needed on the plate dps chest. Grr.) Uh. You might also wanna start saving for that alchemy mount though. Iā€™ve heard itā€™s going to cost somewhere in the neighborhood of 24K. Twice what the hog costs, IOW. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5163 "2010-11-22T18:48:03Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > The whole point of FoF is that DF works during it, IL does more damage during it, and your instant FFBs do more damage during it if you have BF. Blizzard is notoriously terrible about making their tooltips inclusive and logical. Based on the way theyā€™re written, itā€™s entirely possible. > > However, I do have confirmation from the WoW forums that Shatter and Frostburn work with FoF \*for any ability that has FoF synergy \*(DF, IL, and BF FFBs). That is absolutely not ā€œwritten right there in the talent [tooltip],ā€ regardless of what Talent youā€™re talking about. Fingers of Frost was implemented two years ago. It allowed mages to benefit from shatter when it wasnā€™t possible to use nova, either because the boss didnā€™t allow it, you didnā€™t have a pet, your allies did too much damage, or you didnā€™t want to scream out ā€œPush Spell Reflect now!ā€ before gibbing a warrior with a shattercombo. The Fingers of Frost talent used to say that it treated targets as frozen. Every function requiring a frozen target worked, like one would expect. It still says that. Itā€™s point back then was to enable shatter when you couldnā€™t freeze someone. It continues to serve that purpose; they just changed it from everything to only instants. There isnā€™t some mystery that needs confirming. The mechanics of the talent are well established. Nothing indicates that they may have changed. I donā€™t know why youā€™re ignoring the two years behind the talent. Cataclysm just brought a simple change to the eligible spells. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5164 "2010-11-22T19:01:19Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Pics or it didnā€™t happen. šŸ˜ƒ [Here ya go!](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/squeeee.jpg) > [@](#): > > P.S. I just did [a quick Google search for alchemy mount](http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=alchemy+mount) and I turned up [this video](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7txAJXad3o). /blownaway > [@jayjay](#): > > Nobody likes the Oculus. Nobody. And if someone says they do, theyā€™re lying. I like it, except for when I zone in and other people immediately zone _out_. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5165 "2010-11-22T19:16:43Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Is the Explorer achievement changing at all with the new content? Can we wait until we have old world flying to pick up the title, or is it going away? I dunno! I asked that question aboutā€¦well, maybe a dozen pages ago? Ha ha. I can do it before Cata drops if I try really hard, I just have Kalimdor left. Most zones I have a huge chunk uncovered, I just need to run around and find the places left. But Azuremyst and Bloodmyst were freakinā€™ painful. OKAY SO HI THERE GUYS Iā€™m going to try and tame the spectral cat and bear in Northrend. My two main pets are, coincidentally, a cat and a bear. Their names are Chubbs and Welcome. I want to keep a naming scheme - some variant on Chubbs is very important to me for my kitty. So help me name my new pets! Granted I get them, anyway. Ewww taming level 77 enemies. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5166 "2010-11-22T19:37:06Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I donā€™t know if Iā€™d spend that much for just the porting use. Especially with only two weeks to Cata as of tomorrow. > [@Palooka](#): > > There isnā€™t some mystery that needs confirming. The mechanics of the talent are well established. Nothing indicates that they may have changed. I donā€™t know why youā€™re ignoring the two years behind the talent. Cataclysm just brought a simple change to the eligible spells. I am reasonably sure that FoF _changed in 4.0_ā€“IIRC, it used to affect \*all \*spells, not just the handful that it now does. (For example, FB used to consume FoF charges, and it was actually better DPS to cast FB during FoF than IL.) It now \*specifically mentions \*DF and IL, and BF \*specifically mentions \*FoF. \*\*Thatā€™s it. \*\*Neither Shatter nor Frostburn mention FoF, and FoF doesnā€™t mention either of them. Itā€™s a mechanic change that was not well explained via documentation (tooltips), and while it would be fairly stupid to change it so that FoF-activated IL/DF/FFB didnā€™t benefit from either Talent, Blizzard has made stupid class changes before, and they will do so again. At the risk of sounding like a Junior Mod bitch, I think you need to check your attitude at the door of this thread. The arrogance and disdain you frequently post with are both unhelpful and unwelcome. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > [Here ya go!](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/squeeee.jpg) Aaaaaaaaaaaahahaha, you just made my afternoon. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5167 "2010-11-22T21:41:43Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > /envy > > My main still hasnā€™t gone 11/12 yet, either 10- or 25-man, because my guild lost interest before all the non-core members got through. From the perspective of the guild core members, I can understand: theyā€™ve got their LKs. Some of my guildies are kinda thick, the ā€œOMG **Donā€™t stand in the (ooze|fire|frost)!**ā€ types. Iā€™d seriously think of rage-quitting if I had to teach those folks Put or LK strategy. But basically, the guild ground down to a halt months ago. So my only shot at LK now seems to be pugging, and you never really get to continue on your raid after the first night. Furthermore, with the 4.0 ā€œone raidā€ stuff, I donā€™t get distinct shots at 10- and 25-, so Iā€™m burning my raid lock for the week on either one or the other. And the last 3 ICC runs Iā€™ve been in have broken down over loot rage (hidden reserves, ninjaing, etc.) > > So Iā€™m frustrated. Pretty much giving up hope on LK. Nearly giving up hope on even getting Ashen Verdict exalted (6,000 to go). > > ā˜¹ We could use you in Cairneā€¦Burning Dog Legion. > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > FWIW, when I get home, I think Iā€™m going to pull my Argent Tournament tabard out of the bank and set my hearth to Stormwind or Ironforge. Iā€™ve never been so glad my other 80 is a Mageā€¦ or so pissed that you canā€™t port characters on your own account (if I could, Iā€™d server and faction xfer her in a heartbeat). > [@Skammer](#): > > Re: the portals, Iā€™m glad Iā€™ll still have my Kirin Tor ring. I donā€™t wear it any more but the port to Dal will be even more useful now. Ok, besides the Hearthstone, we have the Argent Tabard that teleports you to the Tournament Grounds in Northrend, and the Rings of the Kirin Tor that teleport you to Dalaran. If I set my hearthstone to Orgrimmar, then I have two different ways to get back to Northrend. Is there any other items that can teleport me back to a major faction city and/or Outland? Is there a list of items readily available that have teleportation abilities? I think I need one more item so I can reduce the turnaround time to an average of 15 minutes. I tried to look in Wowhead, but was unsuccessful. Also, can you buy a different Kirin Tor ring that has itā€™s own individual cooldown or are they on the same CD timer? I never purchased any of the Kirin Tor rings, but it looks like I should at least purchase the first ring of the series. Trying to save gold for Cataclysmā€¦21,200g and counting. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5168 "2010-11-22T21:47:28Z")
Well, there is still the portal in Dalaran that will take you to Caverns of Time, and the Gateway in Sholozar Basin that will take you to Unā€™Goro Crater if youā€™ve unlocked it. Although admittedly neither of these are really convenient to any old world cities (but it will be a little better once you can fly). ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5169 "2010-11-22T21:49:04Z")
Are the Dark Portal ports at the city portal trainers still going to be up? No problems going to Shattrath, thenā€¦just go through and take a taxi at the Stairs. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5170 "2010-11-22T21:54:32Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > We could use you in Cairneā€¦Burning Dog Legion. Uh, Yeti, Gnoit is in the BDL; heā€™s Ghastliar the DK. And we havenā€™t exactly been burning up the raiding scene lately, not that thatā€™s surprising with Cata just over the horizon. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5171 "2010-11-22T21:57:13Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Are the Dark Portal ports at the city portal trainers still going to be up? No problems going to Shattrath, thenā€¦just go through and take a taxi at the Stairs. Thatā€™s also the super-secret shortcut from any capitol city to Org (or Stormwind): take the portal from the city youā€™re in to the Dark Portal, go through, and then take the portal to Org/Stormwind. I wish I had remembered that when I was stuck in TB the other day. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5172 "2010-11-22T22:06:17Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > Is there any other items that can teleport me back to a major faction city and/or Outland? If the rings work like pretty much everything else in the game, theyā€™ll share a CD. Besides the portals already mentioned, there are also profession-specific options. A Scribe can make scrolls that teleport them back to their hearth location; and Engineers can make a couple of different teleportation devices that take them to Northrend or Outland. ---
**Author:** ![Headrush042](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Headrush042](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Headrush042)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5173 "2010-11-22T22:14:45Z")
Gnomish engies get: Gadgetzan, Bladeā€™s Edge Mountains, Northrend wormhole Gobbies engies get: Everlook, Netherstorm, Northrend wormhole ---
**Author:** ![Clawdio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d07c76/32.png) [@Clawdio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clawdio)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5174 "2010-11-22T22:15:24Z")
Thereā€™s also those slippers that drop from the opera event in Kara. But they might have only taken you to to your hearth location, and they mightā€™ve shared the hearth cooldown at that. Though iā€™m not sure and canā€™t access wowhead/wowwiki at work. Edit: ooohhh if you were around in vanilla and lucky enough to get the drop from Naxx40, wasnā€™t there a staff that ported you to Karazhan? ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5175 "2010-11-22T22:17:15Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Uh, Yeti, Gnoit is in the BDL; heā€™s Ghastliar the DK. And we havenā€™t exactly been burning up the raiding scene lately, not that thatā€™s surprising with Cata just over the horizon. I thought **Mosier** was Ghasliarā€¦did you/he change your/his Doper name? If so, I need to make a change our our BDL 10man list. As for items that are able to teleportā€¦as a Belf Ret Pally with JC & BS, looks like my options are few. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5176 "2010-11-22T22:20:23Z")
> [@Clawdio](#): > > Edit: ooohhh if you were around in vanilla and lucky enough to get the drop from Naxx40, wasnā€™t there a staff that ported you to Karazhan? Medivhā€™s staff itself, but itā€™s no longer in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5177 "2010-11-22T22:23:03Z")
ETA: [Hereā€™s something from Wowwiki.](http://www.wowwiki.com/Teleport) ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5178 "2010-11-22T22:24:35Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Uh, Yeti, Gnoit is in the BDL; heā€™s Ghastliar the DK. And we havenā€™t exactly been burning up the raiding scene lately, not that thatā€™s surprising with Cata just over the horizon. > [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > I thought **Mosier** was Ghasliarā€¦did you/he change your/his Doper name? If so, I need to make a change our our BDL 10man list. Huh, I have no idea. Could be I was hallucinating that. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5179 "2010-11-22T22:27:52Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > ETA: [Hereā€™s something from Wowwiki.](http://www.wowwiki.com/Teleport) Check out the fancy-dancy Potion of Deephome. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5180 "2010-11-22T22:30:11Z")
> [@Clawdio](#): > > Thereā€™s also those slippers that drop from the opera event in Kara. I donā€™t remember those at all, but that sounds awesome. > [@](#): > > Edit: ooohhh if you were around in vanilla and lucky enough to get the drop from Naxx40, wasnā€™t there a staff that ported you to Karazhan? Atiesh, Greatstaff of the Guardian. I believe it came in various flavors for different classes. Itā€™s a Legendary item, and, as \*\*BT \*\*observed, if you didnā€™t get it before Naxx40 was removed, youā€™re SOL now. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5181 "2010-11-22T22:41:27Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I donā€™t remember those at all, but that sounds awesome. Yeah, the Ruby Slippers dropped from the Oz incarnation of the Opera event. They did share a cooldown with your regular hearthstone. Basically they were just a sparkly hearthstone that you could wear, so as long as you used them in your gearset, you could get rid of your hearthstone and save one bag slot. > [@](#): > > Atiesh, Greatstaff of the Guardian. I believe it came in various flavors for different classes. Itā€™s a Legendary item, and, as \*\*BT \*\*observed, if you didnā€™t get it before Naxx40 was removed, youā€™re SOL now. Ugliest damned Legendary in the game, if you ask me. Theyā€™d better make the new caster DPS Legendary a lot nicer looking. I donā€™t want a skinny coconut on a stick without even a decent glow, thanks. The Kara port would be nice, though, for my horse-farming. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=258) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=260)