# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 263
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5242 "2010-11-23T18:19:29Z")
> [@Mithril](#): > > I hate those boat rides with looooong approaches when you come off the map screen with the dotted red line getting into Northrend. Remember you can jump on your flying mount pretty much as soon as you’re past the WotLK loading screen, so you can skip the long approach. > [@jayjay](#): > > It took me four separate attempts until I found an area of Tirisfal that a) had enough turkeys and b) had no competition for them. (The valley with the spiders just below Scarlet Monastery) Venomweb Vale. I ended up doing it there on my main last year. Doing it in Elwynn was just hopeless because, like others have mentioned, you’ll be cruising along and then just hit an area completely devoid of turkeys. > [@Skammer](#): > > The Roast Turkey recipe stays orange until at least 325 or more, I don’t remember exactly, but I know I leveled cooking from 1 to 335 since Sunday using the holiday recipes and I only stopped because I ran out of turkeys. I don’t know when the recipe turns green but you can probably get very close to 350. I was taken completely by surprise when I discovered I was able to train Master Cooking on a level 32 and then a level 22 alt. In the past you weren’t allowed to train Master cooking until you were at least Outland level. Not just because the old world trainers didn’t offer it, but because there was actually a level restriction on it. I think. > [@gnoitall](#): > > Only thing left for me is Turkey Lurkey. And I am totally despairing of being able to find a Night Elf rogue and a Gnome rogue that won’t kill me outright, or at least get into combat to deny me the tag while summoning help. Cuz Dalaran won’t be the sanctuary gathering spot any more, so I’ll have to go to where the rogues are. I was running around SW and IF trying to get the Alliance rogues on my level 22 warrior, and thinking to myself, “Ya know, you’d think it would be easier to find a rogue on a PvP server…” But noooooo. Just like every other server, it’s all druids and paladins everywhere you turn… (and warlocks). I’m actually kind of disappointed with my PvP server, Ysondre. The server is horribly imbalanced in favor of the Horde — when I first rolled the toon and mentioned in General that it was my first toon on the server, somebody whispered me and told me I’d picked the wrong server to roll Alliance. And then I keep seeing people saying they’re going to faction-change to Horde. I find that disappointing. People don’t get that they’re just perpetuating the cycle and making the problem worse when they do that. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5243 "2010-11-23T18:25:02Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > It’s not cheating any more than DBM or DXE or Omen or any of the other legal WoW addons are cheating. Since it’s Blizzard’s game and they control what is and isn’t allowed, and they say it’s allowed, then it’s not cheating. Simple as that. > > Some addons, like AVR, were deemed to be too powerful, and Blizz broke them. Some addons/hacks like the one that allows people to mine underground, are exploits and Blizz will ban you if they catch you using them. > > I doubt that a multiboxer will ever be as effective in competitive PvP as a group of characters all run by skilled players. It would require a level of coordination that’s nearly impossible. Yeah, multiboxers raid–because raid content is known and relatively predictable. Usually they don’t do it with fresh content, and I doubt anybody has multi-boxed their way to a LK hard mode kill. If you don’t feel those things are cheating and Blizzard’s stance on the matter is wrong, that’s cool. The UI is designed to allow those things, so it’s a pretty hard case to make. Kind of more where one personally draws the line. You’re right that nobody has used multiboxing on the bleeding edge of anything, in either PvE or PvP contexts. I’m pretty skeptical that it’d survive a real test of its legitimacy, but we’ll probably never know. I disagree that if the rules allow it, it isn’t cheating. That ignores sportsmanship. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5244 "2010-11-23T18:31:52Z")
gnoitall, are you on US servers? If so, I can roll a rogue up for you since I know I’ll be free tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5245 "2010-11-23T18:37:42Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > Just because noboday cares that it’s cheating doesn’t change that it is. > [@Infovore](#): > > It’s not cheating any more than DBM or DXE or Omen or any of the other legal WoW addons are cheating. This argument is older than computers, but it’s nice to see it keep coming up. > [@](#): > > Since it’s Blizzard’s game and they control what is and isn’t allowed, and they say it’s allowed, then it’s not cheating. Simple as that. I would argue that community standards can have influence on what’s acceptable and what’s not. For example, in FFXI mining points (can) last for multiple swings of a pickaxe. It’s perfectly allowable in the game engine for a person to walk up to another guy who’s mining a point and ninja a few pieces of ore off it, but Square responded to community distaste for the idea by making it a potential griefing offense if reported to a GM and repeated. Frankly, I’m kinda on both sides here: I think if a 5-man multibox team could be competitive in the highest levels of PvP or PvE that Blizzard’s stance might be different, but I also think that it’s highly unlikely that a 5-man multibox team will ever be even close to as effective in a CC/Fear environment as a 5-man normal team. Put succinctly, a maphacker in Warcraft III gains an untold competitive advantage compared to a non-maphacker, while a multiboxer in WoW is usually less effective than a same-size team each with a normal player. In any case, I multibox only for my own convenience in doing archaic content (having a captive druid makes my mana pool less of an issue when I’m soloing, say, Molten Core.) ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5246 "2010-11-23T19:00:17Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > Just because noboday cares that it’s cheating doesn’t change that it is. A valid point… \*if \*multiboxing were cheating. Cheating is, by definition, taking some sort of action to gain an _unfair advantage_. Multiboxing using a program to simultaneously register a keypress across multiple instances of an application is not cheating. It’s \*exactly \*the same as if you were sitting in a room with a friend playing each account and telling them what buttons to hit and when. It doesn’t \*automate \*anything. It doesn’t make decisions for you. It doesn’t give you any advantage. In fact, it’s actually quite limiting, because you have to determine a set number of combined abilities. The ability or macro that you program onto button 1 will \*always \*trigger that ability for every character you’re multiboxing on when you hit the button. If you have Character A using ability Alpha and Character B using Ability Beta, you can’t suddenly change things around on the fly if you decide that at this moment, what you really want to do is have Character B use Ability Gamma. Five characters being played by a single player simultaneously will inevitably be weaker than five characters played by five equally experienced people coordinating with each other. > [@](#): > > I’d definitely say that DBM – like most addons – is a cheat, but nobody cares. Blizzard designs encounters now with the \*assumption \*that everybody is going to be using bossmods, at least on progression raid fights. > [@Palooka](#): > > If you don’t feel those things are cheating and Blizzard’s stance on the matter is wrong, that’s cool. The UI is designed to allow those things, so it’s a pretty hard case to make. Did you miss a word here? Because these sentences don’t make sense. You’re the one who’s saying that Blizzard’s stance is wrong. > [@](#): > > You’re right that nobody has used multiboxing on the bleeding edge of anything, in either PvE or PvP contexts. I’m pretty skeptical that it’d survive a real test of its legitimacy, but we’ll probably never know. It’s \*had \*a real test of its legitimacy. Blizzard has officially said that it’s fine as long as you’re not automating anything. Kind of like your RL can scream at you over voice chat to move out of the fucking fire–whether the built-in in-game version or an external client like Vent–but can’t use a program to automatically strafe you 10 yards to the side whenever you’re taking damage from ground AOE. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5247 "2010-11-23T19:18:46Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Kind of like your RL can scream at you over voice chat to move out of the fucking fire–whether the built-in in-game version or an external client like Vent–but can’t use a program to automatically strafe you 10 yards to the side whenever you’re taking damage from ground AOE. Can I have that program? Pretty please? Yeah, yeah. I know. But it would sure make PUGs a lot more palatable. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5248 "2010-11-23T19:30:05Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > Can I have that program? Pretty please? > > Yeah, yeah. I know. But it would sure make PUGs a lot more palatable. 😃 Life Grip. ;D ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5249 "2010-11-23T19:33:16Z")
I know when you do a race change you obviously get the option to re-customize your character’s new appearance… does that include a sex change as well? I may want to change my female belf pally to a male tauren. ETA: Also, **quiet** dragon roar on new login screen FTW! I always hated when I’d leave the game up with a toon scanning the AH while I went to bed, only to get woken up half an hour later when I got auto-disconnected from the server and Chillmaw started making all that racket. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5250 "2010-11-23T19:34:51Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I know when you do a race change you obviously get the option to re-customize your character’s new appearance… does that include a sex change as well? I may want to change my female belf pally to a male tauren. I think that’s a separate [del]$25[/del] $15. ETA: Changed due to Google check… ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5251 "2010-11-23T19:38:05Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > [..] The automation is using a program to send commands to two or more clients clients at once. You activate the program on the first client and its automatically copies that to the others. Like when you click mouse1 and your aimbot automatically aims for you. It is a program directly providing input. The unfair advantage is that this allows you to have phenomenal swaps, which are a vital aspect of PvP. Swapping is perhaps the most important aspect of group combat, since it brings in kills. You could have a team of Affix, Venruki, and Orangemarmalade but they wouldn’t be able to co-ordinate a 3-man shattercombo nearly as well as any palooka who is controlling three characters at once. If even one player is too slow, shields are up and the kill won’t happen. That risk doesn’t exist for the multiboxer because the software eliminates the human reaction time. That’s unfair. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5252 "2010-11-23T19:42:30Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > Life Grip. ;D I was thinking that too, but in a PUG where you need that to save some miserable loser’s life, he’d be too clueless to appreciate it. What do you get? Grief and dumbass nerdrage. Let 'em die. Spoken by a “OMG Why are you standing in the fire?!” huntard. (I’m standing in the fire because I need to get that second steady shot off. Just heal, man.) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5253 "2010-11-23T19:45:53Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I think that’s a separate [del]$25[/del] $15. > > ETA: Changed due to Google check… Hmm. And I think I’d need a name change as well. Keliraeda just doesn’t sound like a suitable name for a tauren of _either_ sex. _Kow_liraeda? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5254 "2010-11-23T19:45:55Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > gnoitall, are you on US servers? If so, I can roll a rogue up for you since I know I’ll be free tonight. Indeed. Azgalor. That said, even tonight’s problematic. Family birthday dinner. I dunno when I can log on. (Just remembered it. Going out to a local barbecue place that’s going out of business, so almost last opportunity to do it. And the birthday girl suggested it. I’m trapped, but the barbecue is good so I’m rolling with it.) When I get back to the comp, it’ll be late-ish (after 10 PM probably). ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5255 "2010-11-23T19:50:03Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > Indeed. Azgalor. > > That said, even tonight’s problematic. Family birthday dinner. I dunno when I can log on. (Just remembered it. Going out to a local barbecue place that’s going out of business, so almost last opportunity to do it. And the birthday girl suggested it. I’m trapped, but the barbecue is good so I’m rolling with it.) > > When I get back to the comp, it’ll be late-ish (after 10 PM probably). What time zone? I’m PST. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5256 "2010-11-23T19:53:19Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Frankly, I’m kinda on both sides here: I think if a 5-man multibox team could be competitive in the highest levels of PvP or PvE that Blizzard’s stance might be different, but I also think that it’s highly unlikely that a 5-man multibox team will ever be even close to as effective in a CC/Fear environment as a 5-man normal team. This. _If_ some multiboxer gets enough advantage from coordinated nukes to outweigh the loss of flexibility/reaction time and compete with good 5-player teams, then Blizzard will probably change their policies. Until such time, why should they care? ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5257 "2010-11-23T19:54:36Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > What time zone? I’m PST. Central. 8 your time, then. ---
**Author:** ![Jbone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/58f4c7/32.png) [@Jbone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jbone)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5258 "2010-11-23T19:56:03Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > The combo I saw the most, back in the day, was 5 elemental shamans. 5 simultaneous chain lightnings will explode most mobs in an instance pack almost in one shot. And when the fighting gets close, shocks are good for cleanup; and since fights are so short, 4 or 5 simultaneous small heals will bring almost anyone back up to full. There’s a Orc shaman on BT named Xxin that MBs in Wintergrasp. 5 shammies 1-shot my pvp geared rogue. It is awfully fun to sap in him a distance though. He’s extremely tough to bring down. I heard once that killing the main character interupts him enough that you might have a chance to bring him down. I can see how people find it very frustrating, but I always like a challenge. It’s amusing when he and his band of merry men take over the Stormwind AH, and ally after ally run in and meet their death very quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angel_of_the_lord/32/2949_2.png) [@Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angel_of_the_Lord)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5259 "2010-11-23T19:57:21Z")
Urg. I just realized that the dropping of this patch means that the new requirements for my meta gem that I saw on the PTR probably go into place. It requires more blue gems than red gems now. Which means, you know, regemming about 10 or so slots with new gems, and then paying to un-forge and reforge all my goddamn gear so that I can be reasonably near hit cap instead of way over. Because, you know, I’m made of gold, and have nothing better to do than farm. Also, I’m a warlock, so I’m getting hit hard with the nerf bat anyway, even if I do take the time to fix my gear. (I’m not complaining; I was doing crazy damage for my GS compared to other levels). Seeing as Cata drops in two weeks, I might not even bother fixing it, even though I really wanted to do some last-minute LK stuff. At this rate, I’ll just be happy if I can finish up the two acheivements I need for the Red Proto Drake, both of which are Oculus. ---
**Author:** ![Clawdio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d07c76/32.png) [@Clawdio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clawdio)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5260 "2010-11-23T20:10:14Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > This. _If_ some multiboxer gets enough advantage from coordinated nukes to outweigh the loss of flexibility/reaction time and compete with good 5-player teams, then Blizzard will probably change their policies. Until such time, why should they care? On my server (Aegwynn-US) there is a multiboxer on the horde side (my toons are alliance). At one point he would run 40 toons, but i think most of the time now he will have about 25 active. Now, i don’t think he is actually competitive in Arenas, and probably can’t do much PVE. But if he is in Wintergrasp, the Alliance side pretty much has no chance to win for two reasons: 1. going anywere near his mob is almost certain death (unless you have a really coordinated group that can fear him effectively). 2. he kills vehicles instantly (well not instantly, but maybe 3 seconds would be an accurate number). Blizzard has repeatedly said that he is not breaking TOS, he pays for all those accounts after all. I believe the only time he got a temporary ban was when he used his alliance toons (yes has a couple of those too) to occupy vehicles while the alliance was on offense. since you can only have a limmited number of vehicles, it meant the aliance couldn’t form an effecitve attack. Anyway… now that my blood pressure is raised… It is because of this asshole, that i will never think that multiboxing is an acceptable way to play the game. Theres probably videos of this asswipe if you search: Prepared Multixbox on youtube ---
**Author:** ![Clawdio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d07c76/32.png) [@Clawdio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clawdio)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5261 "2010-11-23T20:19:26Z")
Oh, and quite often he will plant himself in Stormwind or Ironforge and insta-kill anyone dumb enough to be flagged for PVP that comes near him for a couple hours. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=262) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=264)