# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 299
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2010, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5962 "2010-12-08T20:28:21Z")
Yeah, it’s pretty obvious the Worgen have the Author Control racial, at least for the start of the expansion. I was annoyed playing through the Forsaken quests in Silverpine because it was a nonstop series of “huh the Forsaken are made to look like a bunch of tools by the worgen… again”. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2010, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5963 "2010-12-08T20:29:15Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Well, that might be my problem then. I haven’t been playing the cat like a rogue, since I didn’t see it had any backstab or other abilities to attack from stealth. I’ve been playing it like a tank, pulling mobs and then switching forms. Only do this if you pick up the Furor talent. Then it’s more useful, because you lose nothing. But yeah, you want to pick off one mob at once with Kitty. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5964 "2010-12-08T20:30:26Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > I only have cat form so far, but yes…I’m using it. Basically, I generally put the thorns damage shield on, then pull with the insta-cast DOT (don’t remember what it’s called), the switch to cat form and use the high initial damage attack form (with dot), then the lower damage attack dot, and build up action points to finish with the only finishing attack I currently have. In general I’m down to less than half my hit points by this time if I’m fighting a single even con mob, and if I’m fighting two I usually have to leave cat form and cast the instant HOT spell and maybe the quicker cast heal before going back to cat form to continue the attack. > > Well, that might be my problem then. I haven’t been playing the cat like a rogue, since I didn’t see it had any backstab or other abilities to attack from stealth. I’ve been playing it like a tank, pulling mobs and then switching forms. Well, at low levels, many of the abilities you should have aren’t available, so you have to make do. But similarly, many of the enemies are pretty weak, and you can usually mow through them with a few attacks. But yeah, you don’t have the armor to throw down with more than a couple enemies at once; you want Bear form for that. Something that may help – it did for me – is to stay in Cat form. Don’t bother with casting Thorns and Moonfire, just attack as the Cat. You’ll use less mana that you can save for healing, and you’ll be less vulnerable. It also provides for a smoother experience. Constantly switching in and out will get you ruined. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2010, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5965 "2010-12-08T20:36:22Z")
I’m leveling an undead mage at the moment, and doing Silverpine quests right now. It’s really weird thinking of the worgen as being actual members of the Alliance, after all the time I spent thinking of them as just monsters. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2010, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5966 "2010-12-08T20:36:42Z")
It’s such a cool class that I hope I can figure out how to play it. Looking at some of the insane gear some of you have leads me to believe I’ll never be doing things like heroic dungeons anyway, but I can still have some fun if I can learn how to play some of these classes right and not be a detriment to whatever party I’m in. One of the things that is worrying me atm is that my friend (who is playing a rogue with heirloom gear) wants to do PvP battle grounds and dungeons…and I’m not sure I can pull my weight, especially since I’m even less familiar with the Druid than I am with the Hunter, and even as the Hunter things didn’t always work out for me. -XT ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2010, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5967 "2010-12-08T20:39:24Z")
**smiling bandit** , do you recall why Sylvanis decided to use the Worgen curse against Gilneas? What is Arugal’s connection? Worgen lore is new to me. I thought during vanilla WoW, it was implied that they were critters imported from another world. I missed that dialog in my questing. I got the rest of the write up, though. (I enjoyed hiding in the water in the cathedral to listen in on the Warleader and Sylvanis. But who has a moat INSIDE the building?) ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2010, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5968 "2010-12-08T20:40:18Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I’m leveling an undead mage at the moment, and doing Silverpine quests right now. It’s really weird thinking of the worgen as being actual members of the Alliance, after all the time I spent thinking of them as just monsters. Just wait till they bring in Murlocs as a playable race. MMMMMRRRRRGLGLGLGL! ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5969 "2010-12-08T21:03:21Z")
I’ve brought my baby troll druid to 20, and found that in Cat form I can easily take down 1-2 mobs at a time. And this is while specced as Resto. If there’s a lone mob, I’ll usually approach stealthed and attack from behind. I’ll only pull from range if I’m trying to isolate one mob from a crowded area. I don’t think I’ve used Bear form out in the world at all yet, but I did use it once in a dungeon when the tank died. Saved us from wiping. My only concern now is mana – I seem to go through it pretty quickly while healing in a dungeon. But that could just be normal at such a low level. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2010, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5970 "2010-12-08T21:04:49Z")
Feral Druids: > **[World of Warcraft](https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/)** > > Join thousands of mighty heroes in Azeroth, a world of magic and limitless adventure. A good guide which will carry you very far. > [@mlees](#): > > **smiling bandit** , do you recall why Sylvanis decided to use the Worgen curse against Gilneas? What is Arugal’s connection? Worgen lore is new to me. I thought during vanilla WoW, it was implied that they were critters imported from another world. > > I missed that dialog in my questing. You didn’t miss it, because the Forsaken have no idea what’s going on and stumbled in blind. Arugal summoned the Worgen. What he didn’t realize was that he was summoning them _back_. Worgen were originally Druids who copied the form fo the legendary god-wolf Logrinn. Problem was that Logrinn was so incredibly fierce that even copying his form led to the Druids starting to run out of control with pure animal instinct. Some managed to step back, but others were so maddened that they were shunted off into another world - possibly the Emerald Dream. Regardless, the Scythe of Elune was an item made to bind and control them, and they thrived in their new home. Arugal was a Dalaran wizard who’d read about them in his ancient Book Ur (exactly what it said is not known to us). As the Scourge started pushing south, he used it to summon up Worgen. These proved uncontrollable. They killed the Baron of Shadowfang Keep and his family, and spread the curse through humans within Silverpine. Somebody claimed that Genn Greymane ordered Arugal to summon up the Worgen, but this seems improbable. Arugal was on the other side of the Greymane Wall and had every reason to summon them himself, whereas Greymane was isolationist and confident in his ability to defend his lands. And to be fair, those Gilneans are absolutely beasts\* with their guns: they do _not_ play around. Crowley takes out Sylvie with one round of buckshot! If he wasn’t a selfish bastard I’d have hugged him. The Forsaken didn’t have anything to do with it, either: soldiers at the wall got infected, and then the new wild worgen invaded Gilneas City. Like a terribly virulent disease, it spread at an expotential rate. But it completely destroyed the urban areas of Gilneas. Thousands escaped, but many more were turned into raging animals who roamed the wilds. But that’s getting ahead of ourselves. Arugal was eventually killed and decapitated, while the Scythe had found its way into the Duskwood south of Stormwind. The Lich King evidently sent out the San’Lyn to claim it, and then they turned north and raised Arugal as a ghost. Why he did this is unclear. Worgen can’t be turned into undead, but evidently Lichie wanted some on his side. Maybe he likes Furry\* things. Hence you can again kill Arugal and claim the Scythe in Grizzly Hills. How it got to Gilneas is unclear. Presumably the Night Elves took it there, as some of the druids somehow knew they were needed. There they used its blessing to grant the Gilnean Worgen control and peace along with their fury. And many people of GIlneas had been turned. Crowley rounded up many worgen, single-handedly ending the worst of the attacks, whiole Krennen Aranas developed alchemical concoctions which granted Worgen self-control. Sadly, this was poisonous and the dosages required to grant awareness were usually only survivable for recent infectees. - Pun totally intended. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5971 "2010-12-08T21:09:05Z")
I really think this expansion is full of plotholes and out-of-character moves just so Blizzard could make things they wanted to happen happen. I mean, Sylvanas was a Ranger. She led troops against the Lich King, and even though she lost, so did every other lore-based army. She’s not an idiot, she obviously has a handle on battle strategy. It’s like becoming Undead eliminated half her brain cells. After the Wrathgate, you’d think she’d stick to the Undercity and lick her wounds. But Blizzard needs to create hatred between the Alliance and Horde, and it’s like they said ‘well, we need to give the belfs a break, they got their expansion’ and used the Forsaken. Impressive how they’ve they managed to completely ignore Jaina without the shouts of a thousand fanboys though. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5972 "2010-12-08T21:11:45Z")
Thanks! Interesting stuff. ---
**Author:** ![hdc\_bst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9f8e36/32.png) [@hdc\_bst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hdc_bst)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2010, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5973 "2010-12-08T22:03:49Z")
[It](http://www.wow-petopia.com/look/ancientseaturtlefire.html) must be mine! ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2010, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5974 "2010-12-08T22:06:48Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > - I couldn’t find any vendors in the introduction area, so (with all the skinning) my bags are full. Kind of a pain. I’ll probably need to fly back to a city, clean out my bags and get my profession training before I head back. Traveling Tundra Mammoth! WOOT! 😉 Anyone have a problem with not finding the new cooking recipes in the Cooking profession listing AFTER you learned the new recipes from the trainer? 😕 I also forgot to park my paladin in an inn to get the rested exp bar on the next session…the rust, it burns! Didn’t do too much last night, but now I will kill ANY critter that crosses my path until our guild gets 100k of those little bastards. That hammer (judgement) of mine is going to have it’s own button on my mouse. Thumper will not know what hit him. [Also, got a surprise and an achievement just for buying the collector’s edition.](http://www.wowhead.com/item=62540/lil-deathwing) ---
**Author:** ![hdc\_bst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9f8e36/32.png) [@hdc\_bst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hdc_bst)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2010, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5975 "2010-12-08T22:09:06Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > Didn’t do too much last night, but now I will kill ANY critter that crosses my path until our guild gets 100k of those little bastards. That hammer (judgement) of mine is going to have it’s own button on my mouse. Thumper will not know what hit him. While I finish up some odds and ends in Northrend I will be like an avenging god of the fish people wreaking havoc on penguins. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2010, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5976 "2010-12-08T22:10:59Z")
Oh, and I’m also going Engineering on my new Worgen, because it looks like loads of fun. The new helms are going to be so amazing for at least the first tier that I momentarily considered swapping one of my \*main’s \*profs to Eng. > [@Jas09](#): > > Did anyone else experience the bug with guild rep? It seems like the whole system has been pretty buggy–e.g., our guild hit Level 2 the first day, and then got bounced back down to Level 1 again. > [@Skammer](#): > > Did anyone else have their hearth reset somewhere? AFAIK, everyone was sent to the nearest graveyard to where they logged out, and everyone had their hearth reset to their faction capital. Royal fucking pain in the ass, it was–I’d specifically set my main’s hearth to Stormwind but I wanted her to ride out Cata in the spot in Darn where I always stick her for server xfers. Such fun to have to haul my ass all the way back to SW from there. > [@Palooka](#): > > I’m far from up to date on the Cataclysm end-game DPS changes and combat ratings, but I’d be amazed if 1% crit is out of line with the expertise bonuses, hit bonus, other crit bonuses, dodge bonuses, pet damage bonuses, or the on-activation dps boosts. If you want to call a worgen mage doing 2.3% more DPS than an undead mage “overpowered,” that’s a bit silly. Like I said, I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but I can’t help but feel that things like a straight 1% to crit are completely out of line with other bonuses. (1% Crit is going to be a lot of Crit Rating at 85–that’s a lot of gems or enchants you can free up for other stats.) Small percentage differences add up; welcome to min-maxing. > [@Oakminster](#): > > For boomkins, spirit buffs +hit. Really? Neat. I thought they’d made Spirit useless for everybody but healers. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Yeah, it’s pretty obvious the Worgen have the Author Control racial, I laughed. > [@jayjay](#): > > I’m leveling an undead mage at the moment, and doing Silverpine quests right now. It’s really weird thinking of the worgen as being actual members of the Alliance, after all the time I spent thinking of them as just monsters. Not to mention \*obscenely \*fucking annoying–the first toon I ever rolled was an Undead Warrior on the account of my boyfriend at the time, and she got her face eaten off by a roaming Son of Arugal. (This being after she disovered that she really wanted to move south out of Tirisfal to Silverpine, not east to WPL. There was a Welcome Bear. :() > [@kushiel](#): > > I really think this expansion is full of plotholes and out-of-character moves just so Blizzard could make things they wanted to happen happen. ohai lorelol how r u 🙂 Blizz plays fast and loose with their establish canon constantly, as well as having characters often act in completely irrational ways in order to advance their Plot of the Month. It doesn’t help that they have to weave in events created by hacks like Knaak, either. ETA: > [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > [Also, got a surprise and an achievement just for buying the collector’s edition.](http://www.wowhead.com/item=62540/lil-deathwing) Yup, the CE always comes with a pet. Vanilla, you got your choice of a Mini Diablo, a Zergling, or a Panda. TBC, you got a Netherwing whelpling. Wrath, you got a frost wyrm whelpling. And Cata, you get a mini Deathwing! ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2010, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5977 "2010-12-08T22:11:08Z")
> [@hdc\_bst](#): > > [It](http://www.wow-petopia.com/look/ancientseaturtlefire.html) must be mine! Oooooh! Looking on that page, I wonder if the pets that are getting makeovers (below the new kinds) are retrospective. I might have a white Chubbs instead of a dark grey Chubbs tonight if that’s so. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2010, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5978 "2010-12-08T22:18:13Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > For boomkins, spirit buffs +hit. > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Really? Neat. I thought they’d made Spirit useless for everybody but healers. Nah. Shadow priests also get a similar buff (I think my spriest has something like 700 hit rating right now because I was too lazy to do a lot of reforging), and I expect ele shamans do as well. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2010, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5979 "2010-12-08T22:20:37Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Really? Neat. I thought they’d made Spirit useless for everybody but healers. Yup…I think it is a talent in the balance tree. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2010, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5980 "2010-12-08T22:30:07Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Nah. Shadow priests also get a similar buff (I think my spriest has something like 700 hit rating right now because I was too lazy to do a lot of reforging), and I expect ele shamans do as well. Yes, which is why my priest’s healing gear suddenly became excellent shadow DPS gear as well. Barely any hit, but I’m way over the cap thanks to my Spirit. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2010, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/5981 "2010-12-08T22:54:45Z")
Nice to see that cross-usefulness for hybrid classes. Now if only they could make Talents that would convert \*tanking \*stats into DPS ones so I woudn’t have to carry around so much gear… 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=298) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=300)