# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 315
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6282 "2010-12-14T20:39:04Z")
> [@Headrush042](#): > > They’re both vendors and questgivers. Killing them annoys Horde questers who are already tearing their hair out over the idiotic quest design of that particular chain. On that topic there’s Nathanos (Marris) Blightcaller, who would send out Horde PCs on quests in EPL. Apparently there was also an Alliance quest line where former associates of his were horrified that he was one of the Forsaken, and eventually send out Alliance PCs to kill him. :smack: Gee thanks, Blizzard. I went out post-changes to check on the Plaguelands, and saw that he was missing! I looked him up, and he appears to have a new job - Hunter trainer in Undercity! ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6283 "2010-12-14T20:40:58Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > See, I thought with a name like “Blood Elf” that those guys were some mean sumbitches. 🙂 Blood elves are mean sumbitches. Largely insane due to their lust for arcane power. Also probably the second most evil of the Horde races. Only undead are more evil. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6284 "2010-12-14T20:41:14Z")
> [@Headrush042](#): > > Most likely they race-changed a preexisting 80. Probably, yeah. My lvl 80 warlock is a troll, which wasn’t a possible combo until the week before Cata launched. I race-changed her. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6285 "2010-12-14T20:55:59Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Happened to me early in my WoW career. I was in Winterspring in Everlook and saw the flightmaster but didn’t notice the red flag, so I clicked on him, and, as **Boss** says, he came after me really hard. Don’t remember _for sure_, but I think his mounts and some bystanders also came over to have a word or two with me. My “wrong flightmaster” moment came at Thorium Point in Searing Gorge. I had been there numerous times on other toons and should have known better, but for some reason on this one visit I spaced out and thought that since the Thorium Brotherhood is a neutral faction they would have a neutral flightmaster, and I ran over and right-clicked on the Horde guy. Oops. It didn’t help that, in that location, the Horde FM is right there in plain sight while the Alliance FM is tucked away in a corner. > [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > **adhemar** , one thing you may not have noticed yet is that there are Neutral towns out there. The closest one to you right now is Booty Bay on the south tip of Stranglethorn. There are other notable ones - Ratchet in the Northern Barrens, Gadgetzan in Tanaris, Everlook in Winterspring, and so on. These are mostly staffed by goblins, though gnomes may hang out there too, due to their mutual love of engineering. Both Alliance and Horde can shop there, use the inn, etc., though they usually have separate flight masters. Adding even more confusion is the way _some_ of the neutral goblin towns — Ratchet, Mudsprocket (in Dustwallow Marsh), Area 52 (Netherstorm in Outland) — do indeed have neutral flightmasters, while others have separate flightmasters. You can always tell by looking at the mounts themselves. If you see only gryphons or hippogryphs, it’s Alliance-only. If you see only wyverns, it’s Horde-only. Neutral flightmasters will usually be standing between a wyvern and a gryphon. > [@Headrush042](#): > > I’ve only been through Vash and Deepholm so far – the breadcrumb in Vash for Throne of Tides happens after the very last quest in the zone, so if you’re waiting for the breadcrumb, it’s going to be quite a while. The breadcrumb in Deepholm to go to Stonecore happens roughly halfway in, but that’s an easy one to discover early, as it’s right above the central hub where you first show up. Okay, that explains why my pally hasn’t seen anything yet. She’s in Vashj’ir, and has made it as far as the second batch of “Battlemaiden Vision” quests, so probably still has a way to go in Vashj’ir. > [@Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](#): > > The chickens and Elekks are part of the reason I have a star pony. Man, those look bad. OTOH, the new draenei paladin mounts look completely _awesome_! > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Except that I’ve proven that if you can’t interact with the NPC when there are people on top of it, it’s because you’re doing something wrong. Or … I have an issue with my vision that is honestly making it virtually impossible (remember, at 44 I’m “old” in videogamer terms and in the right age range for vision to start deteriorating; you’re under 30, correct?). And if I have an _undiagnosed_ vision problem (and if undiagnosed, even _I_ wouldn’t know I had it), then I wouldn’t even realize that everybody _isn’t_ seeing exactly the same thing I’m seeing, and would naturally assume that almost everybody else has the same problem targeting the NPC that I have. And the ability to use an /interact macro or keybind is useless if I can’t target the NPC in the first place. And a /target macro is useless _if I don’t know the name of the NPC_ and can’t read the nameplate because it’s waving all over the screen in the middle of all the player nameplates (since you can’t, AFAIK, turn on just one or the other). A “target nearest NPC” function would be ideal, but I don’t know if it’s possible. > [@](#): > > Versus having to dismount, walk up, walk away, and remount, which would add probably at least 5-10 seconds to every NPC interaction. But it’s really no longer than it takes _me_ (not the generic “me”, but “me, personally”) to target an obscured NPC. So my point is still valid: same as you 😛 > [@](#): > > It’s an anagram of “leggy blond.” … BWAH-HA-HA! Amazing that I so easily spotted Hemet Nesingwary = Ernest Hemingway and Ajeck Rouack = Jack Kerouac, but completely missed this much more obvious one :smack: > [@](#): > > I’ve got cash over there that I’m not using at the moment–I’ll try to remember to send you some when I get home before I head over to my main for more rep and gear grinding. Likewise, **Quasi**. My belf paladin isn’t getting played and she has 14k just sitting there. She can share. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6286 "2010-12-14T20:57:43Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > There are a lot of zones with non-flagged NPCs that are friendly to one faction and hostile to the other. The Dalaran mobs in Silverpine’s Ambermill area are another example of this (at least they were pre-Cata–don’t know their status now). > [@kushiel](#): > > So I saw a lvl 84 Worgen the other day. Please tell me this is the result of someone having played the beta for a couple months as opposed to someone insane enough to do it since Cata launch. You cannot transfer characters, items, achievements, progress, etc. from the beta to the game. All of that exists on separate test realms. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > See, I thought with a name like “Blood Elf” that those guys were some mean sumbitches. They mostly look “feminine” only in comparison to the ridiculously beefy males of other races. What’s funny is, they started out even thinner and were punched up during the TBC beta. The Blood Elves actually are some pretty mean sum’bitches if you look at their lore. They actually renamed themselves from the High Elves to the Blood Elves in memory of the huge chunk of their population that was killed when Arthas came after the Sunwell. > [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > On that topic there’s Nathanos (Marris) Blightcaller, who would send out Horde PCs on quests in EPL. Apparently there was also an Alliance quest line where former associates of his were horrified that he was one of the Forsaken, and eventually send out Alliance PCs to kill him. :smack: Gee thanks, Blizzard. To be fair, at level it took a \*raid \*to kill him (possibly even a full 40-man, I can’t quite remember), and after vanilla almost nobody bothered with that quest anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6287 "2010-12-14T21:03:27Z")
Oh, and another worgen note: once again, Blizzard has accomplished complete fail in the cloak department. I mean, c’mon. If they can make an elaborately-designed piece of chest armor stretch to fit and look good on any race/sex combo, why is it so difficult to make a flat piece of flexible fabric _behave_ like a flat piece of flexible fabric? I mean, cloaks look completely asinine on draenei of either sex, with the way the get to the tail and then swoop out like a ski slope instead of simply draping over the tail. Male trolls’ cloaks follow the curve of their hunched backs … and defy gravity, leaving about six inches of airspace between cloak and back. Male worgens’ cloaks behave like male troll cloaks, and my druid’s staff looks like it’s completely thrust _through_ the cloak. I hate getting an awesome-looking cloak and then having to turn off the display because of the piss-poor way it drapes. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6288 "2010-12-14T21:10:04Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > My “wrong flightmaster” moment came at Thorium Point in Searing Gorge. I had been there numerous times on other toons and should have known better, but for some reason on this one visit I spaced out and thought that since the Thorium Brotherhood is a neutral faction they would have a neutral flightmaster, and I ran over and right-clicked on the Horde guy. Oops. It didn’t help that, in that location, the Horde FM is right there in plain sight while the Alliance FM is tucked away in a corner. Mine was when I was in Moonglade for Lunar Festival, I think. I wasn’t paying attention and noticed “Oh, flight master!” and clicked. I immediately had a whole flock of hippogryphs all over me. I was more careful after that… > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Oh, and another worgen note: once again, Blizzard has accomplished complete fail in the cloak department. I mean, c’mon. If they can make an elaborately-designed piece of chest armor stretch to fit and look good on any race/sex combo, why is it so difficult to make a flat piece of flexible fabric _behave_ like a flat piece of flexible fabric? > > I mean, cloaks look completely asinine on draenei of either sex, with the way the get to the tail and then swoop out like a ski slope instead of simply draping over the tail. Male trolls’ cloaks follow the curve of their hunched backs … and defy gravity, leaving about six inches of airspace between cloak and back. Male worgens’ cloaks behave like male troll cloaks, and my druid’s staff looks like it’s completely thrust _through_ the cloak. > > I hate getting an awesome-looking cloak and then having to turn off the display because of the piss-poor way it drapes. > > :mad: Cloaks have had a huge clipping problem since Vanilla. My toons’ shields, hair, weapons, tails, backbones (in the case of Forsaken), etc. have all stuck out of my cloak at one time or another. I’ve kind of learned to not see it. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6289 "2010-12-14T21:10:42Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Or … I have an issue with my vision that is honestly making it virtually impossible (remember, at 44 I’m “old” in videogamer terms and in the right age range for vision to start deteriorating; you’re under 30, correct?). And if I have an _undiagnosed_ vision problem (and if undiagnosed, even _I_ wouldn’t know I had it), then I wouldn’t even realize that everybody _isn’t_ seeing exactly the same thing I’m seeing, and would naturally assume that almost everybody else has the same problem targeting the NPC that I have. And the ability to use an /interact macro or keybind is useless if I can’t target the NPC in the first place. And a /target macro is useless _if I don’t know the name of the NPC_ and can’t read the nameplate because it’s waving all over the screen in the middle of all the player nameplates (since you can’t, AFAIK, turn on just one or the other). A “target nearest NPC” function would be ideal, but I don’t know if it’s possible. Honestly, I generally find it easiest to select the NPC if I just turn off nameplates entirely–that will usually get me enough screen space to easily get the interact cursor. But there are also keybinds to tab between friendly targets, in the same way that you can tab between hostile targets. So that’s also an option. Also, come to think of it, I think there are really customized options now for which nameplates to show, if you go to that section of your Interface options. I’ll take a look when I get home–it’s entirely possible that you can just turn on NPC ones. Also also, I think mousing over the quest icon on your minimap should give you the name of the NPC, too, I think. If you have a vision problem, that is, again, your problem, not the other players’. Would you also complain about people playing Goblins instead of Tauren in PvP, because the Tauren are so big that they’re easier to see? You can even pick up addons that will let you customize the nameplates if your old-man eyes 😃 are having problems telling them apart. (27, for the record–so yes, still under 30. I am, however, pretty well blind without my glasses, and have been since I was a kid.) > [@](#): > > But it’s really no longer than it takes _me_ (not the generic “me”, but “me, personally”) to target an obscured NPC. So my point is still valid: same as you 😛 And again, I say: if it’s taking you more than a second to select and talk to the NPC, it’s because you’re doing something in a less-than-optimal way. So what’s a bigger impact: an extra few seconds for one to talk to an NPC that could be sped up if the person did it another way? Or extra seconds for the 11 million other people who \*don’t \*have a problem? > [@](#): > > … BWAH-HA-HA! Amazing that I so easily spotted Hemet Nesingwary = Ernest Hemingway and Ajeck Rouack = Jack Kerouac, but completely missed this much more obvious one :smack: Well, those were \*actual \*names. And Gwyneth Paltrow’s actual name isn’t Gwyneth Leggy Blond. 😃 To be fair, I didn’t notice it on my own, either–I read it somewhere that another person had pointed it out. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6290 "2010-12-14T21:16:59Z")
> [@Headrush042](#): > > They’re both vendors and questgivers. Killing them annoys Horde questers who are already tearing their hair out over the idiotic quest design of that particular chain. > [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > **Mister Rik** : I haven’t seen that but it wouldn’t surprise me. There are a lot of zones with non-flagged NPCs that are friendly to one faction and hostile to the other. In Arathi, for instance, there’s that orc-run farm that’s south of Hammerfall (the Horde outpost) which doesn’t flag Alliance, last I knew. But those orcs (and their human counterparts over at Dabyrie’s Ranch just north of the Alliance base), as well as the Dalaran NPCs in Silverpine and the Hillsbrad Farmers/Peasants near the border between Hillsbrand and Silverpine are/were only there to be targets of the opposing faction’s quests. There aren’t any vendors or questgivers among them (I play both factions, so I’ve seen both sides of those mobs). So seeing hostile-but-non-flagging vendors was a bit odd. I know that neutral vendors with no NPC-faction alignment (basically, any neutral vendor not connected to Steamwheedle Cartel) are usually “green” to everybody. For example, there was a “Defias Entrepreneur” in a house in Moonbrook, Westfall who was “green”; there’s a “green” Bloodsail Buccaneer vendor in the middle of a bunch of his “red” counterparts on the beach to the east of Booty Bay, etc. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6291 "2010-12-14T21:28:34Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Even though the flight master cons red, he won’t attack you if you just go near him. But if you click on him as you would with your faction’s flight master, you WILL attack him and he’ll eat your face. In my experience, it’s more dangerous than that. (But maybe that’s the behavior on a PvP server like mine?) In the few experiences I’ve had after 4.01 dropped, all “PvP flagged” NPCs will aggro appropriately if you approach, and if you approach a hostile flight master point, **the mounts** will aggro. And they’re 85 elites right now. And they fly faster than you can run away. And they can dismount you if you’re low-enough level below them that they can daze you. And you will die, barring a miracle, exceptional gear, or outrageous skill. I learned that the hard way running around Dun Morogh on my 80 hunter. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6292 "2010-12-14T21:34:49Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Also, come to think of it, I think there are really customized options now for which nameplates to show, if you go to that section of your Interface options. I’ll take a look when I get home–it’s entirely possible that you can just turn on NPC ones. I’ll look into that. > [@](#): > > Also also, I think mousing over the quest icon on your minimap should give you the name of the NPC, too, I think. I had thought of that as well, as I had done that before. But I don’t know if there’s a bug, of if one of my addons is causing a problem, but lately I’ve been getting extremely inconsistent results with this. Sometimes a mouseover reveals the name, sometimes it reveals nothing at all. > [@](#): > > (27, for the record–so yes, still under 30. I am, however, pretty well blind without my glasses, and have been since I was a kid.) Yeah, I knew you wear glasses — I’ve seen your pics in the photo album — and assumed that, if you’re wearing glasses at your age then you’ve probably been wearing them all your life, and you’ve had years and years to learn to work with your limitations. I, on the other hand, had perfect or near-perfect eyesight all of my life, and only had it start deteriorating in the last 4-5 years (realized that small print was getting hard to read about the time I was 39). So I’ve been wearing reading glasses, which clarify text for me, but aren’t much help with picking out fine detail in a bunch of moving pixels. Which is why I really ought to see an eye doctor one of these days. Now, everybody stop posting! I’m never gonna get any gameplay in if I have to keep replying! :D:p ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6293 "2010-12-14T22:29:50Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Which is why I really ought to see an eye doctor one of these days. Get a monocle. A monocle would be awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6294 "2010-12-14T22:33:35Z")
My bank alt wears a monocle. And a tuxedo, and carries a diamond-tipped cane. And often dances on mailboxes singing “Puttin’ on the Ritz.” ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6295 "2010-12-14T22:41:40Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Get a monocle. A monocle would be awesome. [Artist’s depiction.](http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/9899/misterrikmonocle.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6296 "2010-12-14T22:41:46Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Even though the flight master cons red, he won’t attack you if you just go near him. But if you click on him as you would with your faction’s flight master, you WILL attack him and he’ll eat your face. > > Horde NPCs will not interact with you. Some won’t attack, but you can’t open vendor windows with any of them. This is incorrect. The Horde FP master in Arathi killed my Alliance toon, who was mining an Iron node nearby. Just he aggro’d. He did 1900 damage, and an additional 22k overkill. Mathulin has died. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6297 "2010-12-14T22:50:07Z")
Is it all FMs that body pull now, or only the ones in faction-specific areas? I can’t imagine, for example, that they’d make them actively hostile in neutral cities like Booty Bay. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6298 "2010-12-14T22:53:48Z")
The place was Galen’s Fall (on a non-PvP server). I edged up to the iron node, which was on a small hillock behind the camp. I was actually watching the Stitches looking NPC standing behind Galen’s Fall because he was physically closer. I was fine until I tapped the node, and immediately two Enraged Felbats spawned from the FP master, and ganked me. Stitches didn’t aggro. Stitches was in his 30’s, (I was 3 or 4 levels higher than him at the time) but the FP master is much higher in level, I think. I know I have seen that tapping a resource node (or a chest) can generate aggro in mobs. (Was this done to combat mining bots?) ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6299 "2010-12-14T22:59:28Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I spent most of late last night getting my worgen druid from where he left off at level 6, all the way to level 13. Finished out the worgen starting area, made it to Darnassus, and then to Lor’danel, where he did the first couple quests before I decided it was time to call it a night. I was quite saddened to stumble across the corpse of Gwennyth Bly’Leggonde on the beach. She was one of the first NPCs to really “get my attention”, and [one of my very earliest screenshots](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/gwynneth.jpg) (dated Jan. 4, 2009), and also the source of the [very first spelling/grammar “bug” I ever reported](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/gwennyth_error.jpg). I was struck by how un-nelflike her surname was. I mean, Swiftfire, Feathermoon, Whisperwind, and … Bly’Leggonde? WTH? As another little easter egg, Gwyneth Paltrow’s mother is Blythe Danner, hence the ‘Bly’. > [@Oakminster](#): > > Blood elves are mean sumbitches. Largely insane due to their lust for arcane power. Also probably the second most evil of the Horde races. Only undead are more evil. I dunno, if Arthas had just left their damn Sunwell alone I think things would have gone swell. The only reason the blood elves even reached out of Quel’Thalas was because they were going nuts without the magic. Plus if Garithos wasn’t such a racist dick Blood Elves might not even be Horde. ---
**Author:** ![Jbone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/58f4c7/32.png) [@Jbone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jbone)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6300 "2010-12-14T23:20:28Z")
I’m trying to log in from my laptop at work and it appears I need to download a 750MB update. Man! I don’t consider 750MB to be an updates, I think it’s almost a new patch’s worth! Anyway, it’s going to be a problem when I get home. With my connection it would probably take me all night non-stop until about noon tomorrow to download it. With WotLK I always just copied the files from my laptop to my desktop using a USB stick. I’m assuming this would still work, has anyone tried it with Cata yet? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6301 "2010-12-14T23:22:35Z")
Okay…one question, after we play good news/bad news. Good news: My Cataclysm came today. Bad news: My dvd drive is not recognizing it as a DVD-rom. Solution: Download and use the game key that came with the disk! Question: It didn’t download anything else. Is there anything really necessary on the disc itself or was that all downloaded prior? If so, why do they bother to sell the discs at all? Why not just sell the game keys? Incidentally, anyone need some Starcraft II game keys? I don’t play it at all and have two from this set. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=314) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=316)