# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 319
**Author:** ![Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angel_of_the_lord/32/2949_2.png) [@Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angel_of_the_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6362 "2010-12-15T20:55:02Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Is it possible that you have a Talent that converts Spirit to Hit? Not so far as I can tell; Spirit -\> Hit is, IIRC, limited to the classes that can also heal. I thought it was Int / SP \> Haste / Mastery \> Crit, with Hit taking the top position if you were under the cap. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6363 "2010-12-15T21:01:55Z")
That sounds like the level 80 ranking. ---
**Author:** ![Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angel_of_the_lord/32/2949_2.png) [@Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angel_of_the_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6364 "2010-12-15T21:05:38Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > That sounds like the level 80 ranking. It’s different at 85, then? (Note: I haven’t researched yet, since I’m trying to get to 85 before attempting to optimize my gear. That way lies madness. Of course, my way lies a bank full of quest greens and blues, but whatever). ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6365 "2010-12-15T21:22:24Z")
> [@Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](#): > > It’s different at 85, then? (Note: I haven’t researched yet, since I’m trying to get to 85 before attempting to optimize my gear. That way lies madness. Of course, my way lies a bank full of quest greens and blues, but whatever). I think he means someone just shoved Mastery onto a list desaigned for Wrath gear, without changing anything else. Spirit used to be useful for 'Locks, but it isn’t worth jack squat now. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6366 "2010-12-15T21:54:59Z")
Yeah, just because Mastery is on the list doesn’t mean it was designed for 85/Cata. Reforging meant that we had access to Mastery even before it appeared on gear–so if someone took an old list from when Spirit mattered and just jammed Mastery into it… Where are you finding this priority list? I strongly recommend checking the Elitist Jerks forums, although from what a guildie was saying yesterday, they don’t have theorycrafting up for all three Warlock specs at 85 yet. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6367 "2010-12-15T21:56:27Z")
How long has “overkill” been part of the battle mix? Noticed it for the first time a couple of days ago in Eversong Woods. Guess I must be hitting the attack button too much, huh? Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6368 "2010-12-15T21:59:49Z")
Not sure what you mean by “overkill,” **Quasi**. Can you be more specific? ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6369 "2010-12-15T22:01:45Z")
It’s a listing in the combat log. You hit critter for 5 (1995 overkill). ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6370 "2010-12-15T22:20:36Z")
Oh, \*that \*kind of overkill. :smack: Duh. **Quasi** , “overkill” is how the combat log displays information when you perform a single attack that \*would \*have hit for more damage, but your target had less health than that. So, in **Palooka** ’s example, you would have made a 2,000 damage hit, but your target only 5 health, so 1,995 points of the damage showed up as overkill. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6371 "2010-12-15T22:31:28Z")
So that’s just informational? It doesn’t slow down my EXP bar? Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6372 "2010-12-15T22:33:18Z")
Quote: Originally Posted by Quasimodem Poor kid. She was probably frantic, running around fighting all those bad guys, wondering what had happened to Usum’, but I thought she’d be following… **SFG** : “Usumbij, you left me alone to die!” You’re so cute! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6373 "2010-12-15T22:41:11Z")
Nope, Quasi, it doesn’t affect your XP or levelling at all. It’s just explaining to you why your attack only did 5 points of actual damage – because the rest of the damage was overkill. That’s helpful if you’re tracking how much damage you’re generating, but it nothing to worry about. ---
**Author:** ![Apollyon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/apollyon/32/4238_2.png) [@Apollyon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apollyon)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6374 "2010-12-15T22:44:09Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I’m somewhat unsure about that…I did a bit of googling last night about the paladin mounts and all I found were mentions of the tauren and draenei changes…nothing about the belf mount. Yeah, Tauren pally’s were never going to fit on warhorses so they had to get a race-specific pally mount. Adding another model for Draenei paladins was probably Blizz taking an opportunity to address a minor issue. Male Draenei have always looked a bit odd on Pally warhorses; the poor horses looked rather overloaded and the Draenei’s feet… err… hooves… were nearly dragging on the ground. It wasn’t such a problem with female Draenei who, although taller than humans or Belfs, are still shorter and much slimmer than the males. Dwarf paladins have retained warhorses; I can’t see why Belfs wouldn’t keep them too. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6375 "2010-12-15T22:48:31Z")
Bah. I vastly prefer a Draenei on a horse to a Draenei on an Elekk. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6376 "2010-12-15T22:49:19Z")
Thanks, **Skammie** also thanks **Palooka** upthread for your answer. I just never had seen that before. Quasi ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6377 "2010-12-15T23:12:09Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Almost forgot to mention the way I nearly choked to death laughing when I read this quest text: > > [http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/wilhai.jpg](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/wilhai.jpg) > > Cold … tentacle shrinkage … :D:D […and also the mispronunciation of “Free Willy”! 😃](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH4Th3lIve0&feature=related) > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Now, in Cata, that paradigm seems to have shifted. Tanks have much larger health pools in comparison to the damage they’re taking, and healers burn through mana faster. Tanks spend more time sitting under 100% health, overheals are a concern again, and healer mana absolutely needs to be considered. If you neglect avoidance/mitigation stats for your class (Dodge, Parry, Block), you will be taking so much damage that your healer will just run out of juice. The requirements on the new meta are set up to reinforce this idea. For me, as a Warrior tank, Mastery is actually a very good stat, so I’ll be activating my Stam/Armor meta with Puissant gems (Stam/Mastery). As a ret pally, even I have noticed that I must heal myself more often than I used to, and the mastery helps proc the Word of Glory for bigger heals. A couple of days ago, Keyne, Kalathan and I (the “Three Amigos” of the Pallerrific type) grouped up for our first ToT 5man. Keyne was on heals, and Kal and I were dps. The Boss fights had me self-healing myself at least 5 times a fight because (I suspect) Keyne had to spend more time keeping the tank alive. I didn’t die, but I had a few occasions where I was below 10k and Kal died twice. The good news was that we had Might and Kings blessings up which made survivability easier. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2010, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6378 "2010-12-16T00:17:10Z")
Finally ran a couple of reg Cat instances on Arhiatlel – BRC and… uh. The other one. Down the hoooole in Abyssal Breach. Throne of Tides? (dude, I have [Plucky on loop](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IRTt_5FoZA) every time I look at the whirlpool there 😃 I blame watching way too much Tiny Toons/Animaniacs during my formative years.) First tank was a gogogo paladin who was, frankly, a lippy asshat. Literally leaving multiple 1/4 HP mobs for the DPS to finish off while zooming to the next pull and constantly LOS’ing me. He was lucky it was a guild run with 3 Kingslayers and all-melee dps or we very likely wouldn’t have survived. As it was, we accidentally pulled Steelbreaker AND the adds all at once. Lots of kiting and dispelling was had, but we survived it. 😛 At least the second tank in ToT was a DK from our server who pulled at a much more sane pace, which gave me time to actually look around and admire the scenery. I really like Vash’jir, all in all. Drop-dead gorgeous scenery and great quests. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2010, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6379 "2010-12-16T00:43:12Z")
Okay, who else keeps on accidentally using flight masters in the Old World? _kicks self_ ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2010, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6380 "2010-12-16T00:49:46Z")
Flight masters are still faster than even the 300% flying, aren’t they? I thought taxis were 400%. ---
**Author:** ![JayRx1981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71e660/32.png) [@JayRx1981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JayRx1981)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2010, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/6381 "2010-12-16T01:22:50Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > […and also the mispronunciation of “Free Willy”! 😃](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH4Th3lIve0&feature=related) > As a ret pally, even I have noticed that I must heal myself more often than I used to, and the mastery helps proc the Word of Glory for bigger heals. A couple of days ago, Keyne, Kalathan and I (the “Three Amigos” of the Pallerrific type) grouped up for our first ToT 5man. Keyne was on heals, and Kal and I were dps. The Boss fights had me self-healing myself at least 5 times a fight because (I suspect) Keyne had to spend more time keeping the tank alive. I didn’t die, but I had a few occasions where I was below 10k and Kal died twice. The good news was that we had Might and Kings blessings up which made survivability easier. What I’m finding so far, at least healing the level 85 normal instances, as a Druid, is that I don’t have enough _time_ to heal everybody right away, usually near the start of a pull. I have to focus pretty hard on keeping the tank alive, with barely any time to spare for anyone else, if no/inappropriate CC is used. If the tank’s holding aggro though, I usually don’t have to worry about spike damage randomly one/two hitting someone, so I’m not losing all that many people to trash deaths (the few I have lost typically pulled aggro or were under-leveled/geared for the instance). And in cases where people are appropriately sheeping/banishing/hibernating/sapping, healing isn’t all that bad. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=318) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=320)