# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 362
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7222 "2011-01-24T14:58:41Z")
Got my feral druid to lvl 22. He’s packing the grand staff of Jordan, apart from that just some blue dungeon drops. That said recount is showing me to be doing twice as much damage as the next person on the list, and I keep getting aggro. Is it on the tank to out aggro me, or do I need to put out a little less damage? ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7223 "2011-01-24T15:01:41Z")
You need to pull back. If you see something the tank should do and isn’t, you can mention it, but at that level, tanks simply haven’t gotten most of their threat-management skills yet. This isn’t applicable at your level, but in general: many classes have skills which either redirect threat to another person (the tank if you do it right) or which lower it, figure out which ones are yours and learn to use them. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7224 "2011-01-24T17:21:02Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > I was thinking of changing from English to German, just to challenge myself, but wasn’t sure if WoW had a language option “button”. This guy is playing on the European servers. They run a whole separate version of WoW. Like \*\*Nava \*\*said, there are language packs; I’m not sure if they’re compatible with the U.S. version of the game, but there’s no reason you couldn’t at least try it. Just keep in mind that if you run into trouble with something, nobody will know what you’re talking about when you use the German NPC and quest names. 😃 > [@JayRx1981](#): > > I have the mute and am a transmutation master which sometimes procs a second set of 14-16 volatile (usually not air, the last few times it was earth or fire). I switched to Transmute when it became clear that Pot was bugged. And you know what? Not a single fucking one of my Cata xmutes ever procced. Ever. Not one. The only thing that gave me any bonus items was some Arcanite I did for a friend who was going to be leveling BS. Finally swapped back to Pot this week. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > it made me wonder if any other players have complained about their warriors/other toons, and would Blizz listen if enough complaints came through? People have been complaining about the Human male model since the game went live. Blizzard knows that most people hate it. They’ve had indefinite plans to update the original races’ models for a long time now (since TBC, I’m sure), but they’ve never made any promises about when it will happen. The old models are aging more with every expansion, though: put a Worgen next to a Draenei next to a Human and you can see how much things have changed. > [@RogueRacer](#): > > The mage seems pretty squishy right now if I let anything get too close to him. Personally, I really like Frost for leveling: it gives you a lot of control with slows and snares. What you generally want to do is start from max range with a Frostbolt, so that the target is immediately slowed, and keep spamming Frostbolts until he gets into melee range. If he’s not dead by then, use Frost Nova to trap him in place, run off or Blink away, and lather/rinse/repeat until he’s dead. > [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > That said recount is showing me to be doing twice as much damage as the next person on the list, and I keep getting aggro. Is it on the tank to out aggro me, or do I need to put out a little less damage? Threat is a shared responsibility between the tank and the DPS. It’s the tank’s job to put out as much threat as possible, but it’s also the DPS’s job to watch their threat meter and avoid out-threatting the tank. If you’re pulling a lot, lower the threshold where Omen will yell at you. When you’re getting close, you can then use a threat-reducing ability or stop DPS altogether until the tank catches up. Times when you have to pay special attention are (a) at the beginning of pulls, (b) on multi-mob pulls, and (c) when the tank has to kite something, especially when the kiting involves staying out of that thing’s melee range and not just moving it. If you end up in a run where you can’t do anything at all, even after giving the tank a few seconds’ lead, and especially if the rest of the DPS are having the same problem, then it’s definitely the tank’s fault, and you should either help the tank figure out what they’re doing wrong or boot them and hope to pick up a better one. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7225 "2011-01-24T17:29:19Z")
Lunar Festival started yesterday. It appears that they’ve completely reset everything from last year. I’m pretty sure I had at least the open-air elders and lots of coins, but I had to start from scratch. I did get all of the elders but the ones in Halls of Stone and Utgarde Pinnacle yesterday. I’ve managed to solo all of the (normal) Wrath 5-mans so far (I’ve been collecting dungeon completion achies along the way)…I wonder if that will keep up? ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7226 "2011-01-24T17:30:52Z")
The people telling you to limit your dps have it wrong. At such a low level, without BoAs or crusader, you’re pulling either because the tank is absolute garbage or you’re not attacking the same target as the tank. You just need to make sure it isn’t the latter. At level 22, you just can’t out threat a tank. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7227 "2011-01-24T17:37:03Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > The people telling you to limit your dps have it wrong. At such a low level, without BoAs or crusader, you’re pulling either because the tank is absolute garbage or you’re not attacking the same target as the tank. You just need to make sure it isn’t the latter. At level 22, you just can’t out threat a ^ tank. ^properly played ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7228 "2011-01-24T17:48:54Z")
Regarding the human models - I didn’t pay that close attention, but is the Worgen human form the same model as regular humans? I’m guessing so but I didn’t pay that much attention. When you create a Worgen, the character selection screen lets you customize your toon’s Worgen appearance. I was dismayed to find out that my female, in human form, has a very short haircut - do not like! I’ll be hitting the barbershop as soon as I make it to a major city. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7229 "2011-01-24T17:54:54Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Regarding the human models - I didn’t pay that close attention, but is the Worgen human form the same model as regular humans? I’m guessing so but I didn’t pay that much attention. > > When you create a Worgen, the character selection screen lets you customize your toon’s Worgen appearance. I was dismayed to find out that my female, in human form, has a very short haircut - do not like! I’ll be hitting the barbershop as soon as I make it to a major city. The only visual difference between Stormwind humans and human-form worgen seems to be the choice of hair colors…Gilneans have a kind of pinkish-red haircolor option that Stormwinders don’t. Changing your human-form hair will probably change your worgen-form mane. The customization screen (when you create your character) lets you see your human form, too…it’s back behind your worgen form. There are buttons on that screen to bring one or the other forward, also, so you can do fine detail between them. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7230 "2011-01-24T18:29:45Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Lunar Festival started yesterday. It appears that they’ve completely reset everything from last year. Holidays always completely reset. The only things you keep from year to year are your achievements. > [@Palooka](#): > > The people telling you to limit your dps have it wrong. At such a low level, without BoAs or crusader, you’re pulling either because the tank is absolute garbage or you’re not attacking the same target as the tank. You just need to make sure it isn’t the latter. At level 22, you just can’t out threat a tank. \*\*One and Only \*\*specifically stated that he had a Heirloom staff and blue dungeon drops. That’s more than enough to out-threat a fresh tank, especially one who’s poorly geared and doesn’t know exactly what they should be doing. Because I tend to have better insight into how to play than your average casual player, my alts (even when they’re poorly geared) will not infrequently run into problems, even at low levels, where they have to be very careful about their DPS or they’ll peel off the tank. But then, what do \*I \*know about tanking? It’s not like I’ve been playing a tank as a hardcore engame raider for a couple of years. Oh wait, yes, that’s \*exactly \*what I’ve been doing. Whoops! > [@Skammer](#): > > Regarding the human models - I didn’t pay that close attention, but is the Worgen human form the same model as regular humans? […] I was dismayed to find out that my female, in human form, has a very short haircut - do not like! Yes, it appears to be the same model as the standard Human, recolorings aside. Note that when you’re designing your Worgen, you can also see your human model. Not only that, but you can switch between the two, and appearance changes on one will often be reflected on the other. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7231 "2011-01-24T18:36:47Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > The customization screen (when you create your character) lets you see your human form, too…it’s back behind your worgen form. There are buttons on that screen to bring one or the other forward, also, so you can do fine detail between them. > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > . Note that when you’re designing your Worgen, you can also see your human model. Not only that, but you can switch between the two, and appearance changes on one will often be reflected on the other. Ah, I failed to notice that. Strangely, her mane seems very long and bushy in contrast to her short hairstyle. But a few minutes in the Stormwind barbershop will take care of that, once I’m out of the starting zones. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7232 "2011-01-24T18:42:08Z")
All the Worgen female hairstyles are pretty wild, on their Worgen form. There’s no 1:1 correlation between the two. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7233 "2011-01-24T18:50:50Z")
Query - are there any (out of the way) dailies that grant Earthen Ring reputation, or do I have to level it strictly through the tabard? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7234 "2011-01-24T19:16:57Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > All the Worgen female hairstyles are pretty wild, on their Worgen form. There’s no 1:1 correlation between the two. In the sense that short hairstyle=short mane, no. In the sense (like with druid form fur colors) that each hairstyle corresponds to a particular mane style, yes. The hair style that hooks up with a mane style is going to be consistent, even if they don’t have an obvious visual match-up. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7235 "2011-01-24T19:20:22Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Query - are there any (out of the way) dailies that grant Earthen Ring reputation, or do I have to level it strictly through the tabard? There are, AFAIK, no dailies that give ER rep. There are many quests in Vash’jir, Deepholm, and later in Twilight Highlands that give rep, but beyond that it’s tabard or nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7236 "2011-01-24T19:25:20Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > \*\*One and Only \*\*specifically stated that he had a Heirloom staff and blue dungeon drops. That’s more than enough to out-threat a fresh tank, especially one who’s poorly geared and doesn’t know exactly what they should be doing. Because I tend to have better insight into how to play than your average casual player, my alts (even when they’re poorly geared) will not infrequently run into problems, even at low levels, where they have to be very careful about their DPS or they’ll peel off the tank. > > But then, what do \*I \*know about tanking? It’s not like I’ve been playing a tank as a hardcore engame raider for a couple of years. Oh wait, yes, that’s \*exactly \*what I’ve been doing. Whoops! You sure like throwing around that _hardcore raider_ stuff to make your points, instead of relying on the reality of the numbers. Not really sure how end-game experience is supposed to give you a feel for level 20 gameplay, but whatever. At level 22, a bear tank is going to manage 40 tps ((8 + 220\*.36 - 1/3)_1.3) just by spamming maul and another 40 - 50 (30_1.3 + bear form’s AP boost) tps from auto-attack. Bump those up again for pull values and that’s a pretty tall order for a dps to overcome. Warriors are pretty much the same for spamming shield slam with auto attack. Paladins aren’t so lucky, with only 20 dps from spamming avenger’s shield, but if you throw in judgments in between cooldowns, their numbers get back up thanks to an additional 15 tps. The game is setup to make it extremely difficult to fail at your role at such a low level. If you’re pulling at that level, just like **One and Only** , it’s either because of terrible tanks or you’re not attacking the same target as your tank. Make sure it isn’t the latter. Unless you have crusader, which lets you hit that 100+ dps pull range. (All numbers based on stats from level 20 - 22 members of a Mal’Ganis social guild in greens and dungeon blues.) ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7237 "2011-01-24T20:12:05Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Query - are there any (out of the way) dailies that grant Earthen Ring reputation, or do I have to level it strictly through the tabard? AFAIK there are no dailies. There are quests in Vashj’ir and Deepholm that give credit, but not all quests in those zones do so. However, the rep quests come and go throughout both chains, IIRC, so you’ll want to finish up both zones if you haven’t yet. > [@jayjay](#): > > The hair style that hooks up with a mane style is going to be consistent, even if they don’t have an obvious visual match-up. Yes, sorry if that was unclear. My intended meaning was that, while each Worgen hairstyle is associated with one human-form hairstyle, there is no rhyme or reason to which one is paired with which. > [@Palooka](#): > > You sure like throwing around that _hardcore raider_ stuff to make your points, instead of relying on the reality of the numbers. Not really sure how end-game experience is supposed to give you a feel for level 20 gameplay, but whatever. And you sure love to throw around that everybody else is wrong without anything to back it up, either. Someone asked a question about threat management, and it was answered satisfactorially: threat is a shared responsibility between the tank and the DPS; Heirloom gear and a good playstyle can put a DPS ahead of a tank with bad or poorly chosen gear and/or a bad playstyle; and a tank who can’t stay ahead of the DPS should be coached or kicked. And yet, after this advice, you felt it necessary to blankly state that everyone else was wrong. Haven’t you gotten the message yet that many people in this thread are sick of your attitude? And this is coming from somebody who’s regarded by a number of people to be kind of a bitch. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7238 "2011-01-24T20:46:49Z")
Today I saw a comment on the official forums by someone asking for Blizzard to make Undead Paladins\*. Cognitive dissonance, you has it. Although it would be funny to see a hunched over Undead dude with a giant gold hammer croaking out “Hammer of the Righteous!” \*Theoretically, wouldn’t many of the original Death Knights be Pallys? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7239 "2011-01-24T20:48:11Z")
Meh. There are already Undead Holy Priests, and have been since the start of the game. And Blood Elf Paladins have a pretty twisted origin story. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7240 "2011-01-24T20:52:20Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > And you sure love to throw around that everybody else is wrong without anything to back it up, either. Someone asked a question about threat management, and it was answered satisfactorially: threat is a shared responsibility between the tank and the DPS; Heirloom gear and a good playstyle can put a DPS ahead of a tank with bad or poorly chosen gear and/or a bad playstyle; and a tank who can’t stay ahead of the DPS should be coached or kicked. And yet, after this advice, you felt it necessary to blankly state that everyone else was wrong. > > Haven’t you gotten the message yet that many people in this thread are sick of your attitude? And this is coming from somebody who’s regarded by a number of people to be kind of a bitch. You’re silly. I didn’t say everyone was wrong; I said the people telling buddy to limit his dps were wrong. If he’s having threat problems at that level, it’s because he’s doing something fundamentally dumb (not assisting the tank) or the problem is on someone’s end because the tank is terrible (and should be kicked, like you say.) I dunno why you keep projecting all of that crazy nonsense into my posts and then tell me to stop posting based on your own creation. It’s getting annoying though. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7241 "2011-01-24T21:06:43Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > Today I saw a comment on the official forums by someone asking for Blizzard to make Undead Paladins\*. Cognitive dissonance, you has it. Like \*\*Tom Scud \*\*observed, you already have Undead Priests. And there are Undead Paladins in lore–just think back to the Four Horsemen encounter in Naxxramas, where you have [Sir Zeliek](http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wowwiki.com%2FSir_Zeliek&ei=uuk9TbbnK8ySgQfd0tzqCA&usg=AFQjCNFpnXRgmEIncfGiPvBddrShTbip-w). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=361) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=363)