# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 370
**Author:** ![Taomist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@Taomist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taomist)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7382 "2011-02-02T04:11:52Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Now all **I** have to do is keep 'em and their levels straight so I don’t try to fight an enemy a higher level thinking I’m playing a higher level toon when I’m really not. > > Another mental exercise for your ol’ demented pal, Quasi!😃 > > Q Oh you won’t ever be alone in that. Lord knows how many times my level 5 auction-warrior has jumped to the defense of Ironforge, thinking I was on my Hunter or Mage. You’d think the absolute lack of anything on my hotbars might be an indication that I wasn’t going to get very far. 😛 Instead, I flail around missing with my uber-twinkly Training Sword until I die on their damage shields. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7383 "2011-02-02T08:49:35Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > I am never healing a Cata heroic without at least 2 guildies again. It was H ToT and, well. Things got _ugly_. We went through a lot of DPS. _eyetwitch_ A pox upon the RDF’s house. Oooooi vey! Guildruns, yesterday. My group started with a “fill in” healer: he wasn’t particularly interested in coming, but ours was late (putting his daughter to bed). We did the first boss in Vortice, then switched healers and it was decreed that we’d sign up for a different one. Got ToT. It was our tank’s second time there. Not second time as heroic: second time, period. The melee DPS hadn’t been there at all. The warlock had been there… uhm… in December, he had vague memories of it (and it had been in a different char, this one got 85 last week). The second boss (the faceless-one type) went down in one round but it was quite the rollercoaster, specially at the end “can I take him down a corridor?” “yes!” _moves to one of the sides_ “that is not a corridor!” “oh hell!” Turning the Kraken into kalamari took a while… have I mentioned before that I love my Jeeves? And warlocks health candy and potion injectors and belts with a bubble? Well, I do! ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7384 "2011-02-02T08:57:59Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Then there’s the fact one can’t go to an AH until he’s completed all the quests in a particular area (I guess what you call “the starting zone?”), so I can’t really upgrade unless I get a good drop. > > As I said before, I just feel hemmed in there. > > Q Personally, I very rarely buy eq from the AH, especially at low level. You change stuff so frequently at low level that spending good money on eq is a waste. Just wait for that next drop and save up your cash. Then when you need your flying mount or glyphs or whatever you won’t be strapped. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7385 "2011-02-02T09:18:01Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > At level 12, was I in a starting zone? The quest I was working on was rescuing people from a mine. > > I felt handicapped because of the lack of a mailbox where I could have sent stuff out for auction and received g’s from another toon. I always thought that EVERY village, etc. would have one. Then in that little place where the spiders run around (and I used their inn as a home base) all the general goods vendor had was bread which provided a 58 heal factor. > > Guess I’m just used to being able to choose from more than just one quest at a time as well. > > I guess I could have ground till my next level, but where’s the fun in that? > > I’m not the only one complaining about the lack of mailboxes in and around Gilneas. When I googled it there were other players who complained as well. > > Then there’s the fact one can’t go to an AH until he’s completed all the quests in a particular area (I guess what you call “the starting zone?”), so I can’t really upgrade unless I get a good drop. > > As I said before, I just feel hemmed in there. > > Q Hi **Q** - there is a mailbox available after finishing the very early quest Salvage the Supplies, it appears in the main square. I think if you re-roll a worgen (and you should 🙂 ) make sure to send bags and BoAs immediately after creating the character so you can pick up gear then. With 5 Netherweave bags equipped you shouldn’t need a mailbox until you leave Gilneas. My pally has a couple of pieces of rep gear to get before he steps into a dungeon to tank for the first time in over a year (and that was a complete failure). Any recommendations for dungeon guides? I have watched the Tankspot videos which were a help but I’m thinking of brief notes on each boss and maybe CC advice for tanking newbs. Unfortunately my guild isn’t being much help, not sure if it’s dying to be honest. Many of the more experienced players have stopped playing and out of those that are left it’s all DPS with perhaps two healers. Neither of who are on when I am on due to time zone issues. I am not looking forward to heroics at the moment ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7386 "2011-02-02T11:44:13Z")
Well, _somehow_ I scored a hat worth 600 gold on that Tempest Reach quest, and my other alts could have used some of that. I just got really frustrated that I couldn’t send it out. Guys, 20 minutes of running around trying to find a mailbox? **Exi’s** gone, but I still have **Fokko** that I can work with in Darrowmere. I’ll do as you suggest, **martu** and get him outfitted asap. Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7387 "2011-02-02T12:27:52Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Well, _somehow_ I scored a hat worth 600 gold on that Tempest Reach quest, and my other alts could have used some of that. I just got really frustrated that I couldn’t send it out. I’m fairly certain that no, you didn’t. The hat you got use the same model as a [hat](http://www.wowhead.com/item=54451#created-by) that might be worth 600g, but [your hat](http://www.wowhead.com/item=58255#reward-from-q) is BoP and can’t be sold. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7388 "2011-02-02T13:41:53Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > [This thread](http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1406258556) off of the official forums was what I was going by. I’m doing about 5.5k right now in regulars. But people in this thread are saying that if you aren’t doing at least 9k you’re a hindrance to the group. The problem with those numbers is that they are always “under ideal conditions”, which people then forget to specify: - single target, - without needing to move, - switch targets - or cc, - suffering no interrupts - and with ideal buffs. Amazing how much my DPS varies from standing on the spot with Aspect of the Hawk on going through my rotation with the left hand while taking a gulp of my drink, and another fight where I have to switch targets, kite, avoid the fire, trap a different add and tranq the boss (of course, with Aspect of the Fox, which doesn’t have the damage buff of Hawk but lets me use my long-cast-time shots while moving). The idiot behind the keyboard is the same, the toon’s spec and eq are the same, but I get much higher damage in the first case - and I haven’t even gone into buffs-I-don’t-manage (like whether we have a shaman or a paladin in the group). ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7389 "2011-02-02T14:29:35Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > I’m fairly certain that no, you didn’t. The hat you got use the same model as a [hat](http://www.wowhead.com/item=54451#created-by) that might be worth 600g, but [your hat](http://www.wowhead.com/item=58255#reward-from-q) is BoP and can’t be sold. Well, yeah, that’s what it looks like, but I could have sworn it was 600 g’s. Also I have sold stuff that was Binds on Pickup (as long as it isn’t soulbound you can do that, right?). ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7390 "2011-02-02T14:31:56Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Well, yeah, that’s what it looks like, but I could have sworn it was 600 g’s. Also I have sold stuff that was Binds on Pickup (as long as it isn’t soulbound you can do that, right?). Bind on Pickup is already soulbound to you even if you haven’t put it on; you can sell that to merchants but not on AH. You can sell Bind on Equip stuff on the AH. ---
**Author:** ![Enilno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/58f4c7/32.png) [@Enilno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enilno)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7391 "2011-02-02T15:28:06Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > [This thread](http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1406258556) off of the official forums was what I was going by. I’m doing about 5.5k right now in regulars. But people in this thread are saying that if you aren’t doing at least 9k you’re a hindrance to the group. 9k is rather excessive for a lower limit. Its good to aim for, but not necessary if everyone knows the mechanics. It’s not a perfect analogy, but you can reach a good approximation of dps requirements for heroics by multiplying the values from Wrath by 4. Doing 1.5k dps in Wrath would be roughly equivalent to doing 6k in Cata, a number that anyone should be able to reach in quest gear when you start doing heroics. The old 2k would be the current 8k, about average for pugs and enough to do any dungeon successfully if everyone paid attention. 3k/12k and beyond and you’d start out gearing heroics. ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7392 "2011-02-02T15:29:24Z")
Ran my first PuG Heroic! Got Stonecore - final 2 bosses. 3 wipes wasn’t too bad, never got testy. Though tank was very quick getting to next group. I never asked him to slow down but I’m sure he would’ve if I had. In the end - one UG. We had one undergeared rogue who died on every encounter, so I imagine it would’ve gone smoother with an extra dps/interrupt. We probably should have kicked him, but it was going pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7393 "2011-02-02T18:26:30Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Now all **I** have to do is keep 'em and their levels straight so I don’t try to fight an enemy a higher level thinking I’m playing a higher level toon when I’m really not. I have run into that problem sooooooo many times. Mainly, it’ll come up when I’ve been playing Sleu a lot, at times when she’s been decently geared (i.e., most of the time). She’s such a meatshield that I can just wade into big groups of things and start hitting them. But then I’ll go to an alt and try to do the same thing… and get my face smooshed in. :o > [@kushiel](#): > > [This thread](http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1406258556) off of the official forums was what I was going by. I’m doing about 5.5k right now in regulars. But people in this thread are saying that if you aren’t doing at least 9k you’re a hindrance to the group. Can’t get there from here, but 9k sounds \*really \*high as a \*basement \*requirement for Heroics to me. 5k is certainly _low_–you’ll need to use CC and you won’t move very fast–but IMO and IME it’s certainly enough to complete the instance. Compare this to 1.5k in Wrath: again, it was way lower than just about anybody would be capable of, but it was still enough to get the job done. > [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Yeah, I’m seeing some Vent-ban action coming real soon. Why the hell haven’t you booted them already? > [@Quasimodem](#): > > One of the things I like about the new expansion is that once you finish a quest, you don’t always have to go back to the quest giver. You just click on the message which appears on the screen and keep going. I do love those quests! Unfortunately it isn’t available for everything, but it does make a lot of questing much smoother. > [@martu](#): > > Any recommendations for dungeon guides? I [posted one over in the BDL thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=13271716#post13271716) (split into two posts). I don’t think there are Heroic notes for every boss, but the basic mechanics are there for sure. There also aren’t notes for the Heroic versions of SFK and VC. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7394 "2011-02-02T19:42:29Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I have run into that problem sooooooo many times. Mainly, it’ll come up when I’ve been playing Sleu a lot, at times when she’s been decently geared (i.e., most of the time). She’s such a meatshield that I can just wade into big groups of things and start hitting them. But then I’ll go to an alt and try to do the same thing… and get my face smooshed in. :o Maybe I’m lucky that way. My main, which appears to reflect my IRL mindset, is pretty smooshing-averse. A marksman hunter’s motto in life is “If I’m bleeding my own blood, something has gone horribly wrong!” With that attitude, I tend not to wade into stuff, even on my melee toons. Regarding Heroic mechanics, “not wading into stuff” is the main reason I’ve held off jumping into Heroic PUGs. I’m geared OK and can push 6k when buffed and in optimum conditions (standing still, full rotation, etc.), but I just don’t know any of the fights. I just need to get over-familiar with playing any available non-heroics and study the heroics one instance at a time (memorize strats, watch videos, etc.) and then queue for JUST THAT heroic, not randomly, until I’ve got it semi-pat. I’d run with the guild, but I feel horrified at the prospect of inflicting my lack of experience on people whom I like and respect; and the idea pugging unfamiliar heroics fills me with dread at the prospect of mockery, stress, and kickage. Neither one qualifies as fun, really. So I overprepare, and move very cautiously. (Talking about hunter DPS… I was playing around with my BM spec. I was distressed to note that I can get \> 5.5kdps with my devilsaur on a raid-boss dummy without firing one shot. Kill command on each cookdown, and let NobodySaurus have fun. This, when I have difficulty with pushing past 6k DPS on marks build with maximum effort and perfect rotations (a rare occaision, to be sure). ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2011, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7395 "2011-02-03T00:57:00Z")
I am so confused - how did people get dungeons done before the RDF? I’m trying to do Crucible of Carnage right now and it seems damn near impossible to get a group together. I don’t have any guild support or people I know, so I’m just trying through ye olde ‘dps lfg’. Yes, I am one of those people who came in after the RDF. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2011, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7396 "2011-02-03T02:45:15Z")
Tell me about “Frozen Throne” and “Reign of Chaos”? I was just in the Blizzard store and saw those 2 expansions. Do I already have them if I have WOTLK and Cat? Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2011, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7397 "2011-02-03T03:14:44Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Tell me about “Frozen Throne” and “Reign of Chaos”? > > I was just in the Blizzard store and saw those 2 expansions. Do I already have them if I have WOTLK and Cat? > > Thanks > > Q They’re actually expansions for Warcraft III and Warcraft II, respectively. Those are the strategy games that World of Warcraft was developed from. They’re not for WoW, so you don’t have to worry about them. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2011, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7398 "2011-02-03T03:59:27Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > I am so confused - how did people get dungeons done before the RDF? I’m trying to do Crucible of Carnage right now and it seems damn near impossible to get a group together. I don’t have any guild support or people I know, so I’m just trying through ye olde ‘dps lfg’. > > Yes, I am one of those people who came in after the RDF. Either asking in Trade channel or having a guild/asking “friendly” guilds, etc. For the BC version of the Crucible (in Nagrand), we’d just use the General channel for the zone and announce that we were looking for more/looking for a group, and hang out near the NPC that triggers the quest. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2011, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7399 "2011-02-03T09:10:17Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I [posted one over in the BDL thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=13271716#post13271716) (split into two posts). I don’t think there are Heroic notes for every boss, but the basic mechanics are there for sure. There also aren’t notes for the Heroic versions of SFK and VC. Thanks **SFG** maybe I should read that BDL thread too. I found some good cheat sheets here [Sword and Board](http://swordboard.wordpress.com/category/tactics-and-cheat-sheets/) yesterday too. I will try Stonecore on normal tonight hopefully with any guidlies that are on. Both my 85s have maxed out their professions now and my warlock is wearing a couple of very sweet Tailoring purples that have upped my DPS considerably. I feel Blacksmithing has been shafted a bit here as the epics for that profession require Chaos Orbs and Truegold whereas the tailoring epics only required Embersilk and volatiles. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2011, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7400 "2011-02-03T10:07:45Z")
> [@martu](#): > > Both my 85s have maxed out their professions now and my warlock is wearing a couple of very sweet Tailoring purples that have upped my DPS considerably. I feel Blacksmithing has been shafted a bit here as the epics for that profession require Chaos Orbs and Truegold whereas the tailoring epics only required Embersilk and volatiles. And 1 week cooldowns where the result is BoP, unless (s)he farms silly amounts of Chaos Orbs a tailorer isn’t crafting more than one epic a week, and that is if (s)he doesn’t need to make any epic spellthreads. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2011, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/7401 "2011-02-03T10:39:50Z")
Tailor! And if I see you using “inscriber” or “blacksmither” I’m going to go wherever you are and pull on your ear until you learn to spell! _goes to get her rabies shots_ I, OTOH, am having to push Chaos Orbs on my guildmates: “but Cora, you passed!” “yeah” “but!” “I already have two, what am I supposed to do with them, make Christmas ornaments? If there’s a recipe for that it’s goblin :p” I’m an engineer… I only have three recipes that use those and one of them requires engineering skill to use! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=369) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=371)