# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/761 "2010-06-30T15:09:57Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > You _can_ kill Halion first, but the other bosses don’t assist him as they do Sartharion. Either that or they do assist, but you don’t get any extra credit for it, I forget which. But since they drop emblems, there’s no reason not to go kill them. Look at it from pug pov where people rage quit after the first wipe, if you end up in fail pug it’s preferable not to get saved before you kill something that drop actual loot. ---
**Author:** ![CreaseMunky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@CreaseMunky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CreaseMunky)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/762 "2010-06-30T15:49:59Z")
For kicks and giggles, a buddy and I started new toons that we play once a week. He’s playing a shammy and all is well so far, but he’s having a problem he can’t figure out a solution for and I told him I’d ask you fine folks (I’m no help- I’ve never gotten a shammy past level 8 or so). Is there a way to dismiss totems? We’ll get into a fight, he’ll drop the one that spits fireballs and when the fight’s over, the totem will go shoot another mob we hadn’t aggroed ourselves. It’s not a big deal, really, we make dead mob in pretty short order, but it can get annoying. We also had a small difference of opinion on handling mobs that run. We’ll get a group of 3 or 4 (on purpose) and he’ll drop a Stoneskin, claiming the added armor will benefit us both. I say he should drop an Earthbind so running mobs don’t go aggro other mobs and possibly overwhelm us. I’m playing a warrior and we’re both in the low 20s if that makes any difference. Thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/763 "2010-06-30T15:55:43Z")
Last night I talked some BDL guildies into chain running heroics with my mage (wasn’t too tough to convince them:) ) and picked up 2 t9 pieces, UGing 213-232 and 200-232 and switched out one set-bonus for another. Might try to run a bunch to night and see how my dps is looking. Then this morning I picked up the [Frostscythe of Lord Ahune](http://www.wowhead.com/item=54806#comments)(!) which unfortunately wasn’t a better drop than my current weapon (or it’s backup), but at least now, I can make it snow! As for my Boomkin, I was leading dps throughout classic dungeons, I was middle through Outland, but now in Northrend, I’m pretty low. I imagine it could be poor gear, but I’ve slowed down so I can join the BDL weekly alt runs, so maybe I can pick up some gear there. It should also be mentioned that I’m using 3 BoA pieces, and they’re cloth. The stats are good, so I don’t think that’s the reason. **CreaseMunky** , I think you get Totemic Recall at 30. Until then, just keep recasting totems as you move away from the mobs. Also unless a mob walks right over a totem, the fire totem should be the only one that grabs aggro. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/764 "2010-06-30T16:00:14Z")
> [@CreaseMunky](#): > > For kicks and giggles, a buddy and I started new toons that we play once a week. He’s playing a shammy and all is well so far, but he’s having a problem he can’t figure out a solution for and I told him I’d ask you fine folks (I’m no help- I’ve never gotten a shammy past level 8 or so). > > Is there a way to dismiss totems? We’ll get into a fight, he’ll drop the one that spits fireballs and when the fight’s over, the totem will go shoot another mob we hadn’t aggroed ourselves. It’s not a big deal, really, we make dead mob in pretty short order, but it can get annoying. > > We also had a small difference of opinion on handling mobs that run. We’ll get a group of 3 or 4 (on purpose) and he’ll drop a Stoneskin, claiming the added armor will benefit us both. I say he should drop an Earthbind so running mobs don’t go aggro other mobs and possibly overwhelm us. I’m playing a warrior and we’re both in the low 20s if that makes any difference. Thoughts? I don’t do Shamans much, but IIRC dismissing is an ability they get at a certain level. I _think_ he can right-click on the portrait of his totem and dismiss, but I’m not certain. Regarding Earthbind and Stoneskin, absolutely Earthbind. Stoneskin is nice and all, but you’re a Warrior. You’re already beefy enough to handle most enemies. Preventing them from fleeing is a _much_ bigger issue, though. Most lowbies can handle a small chunk of enemies, but there are so many deaths that occur because one ran off and got buddies. That will do far more for your survival than extra armor, I guarantee it. You can also compromise; he can drop Earthbind in crowded areas where it’s likely an enemy will flee and quickly find another group, and drop Stoneskin in less crowded areas or with tougher enemies that won’t flee. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/765 "2010-06-30T16:05:01Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > Look at it from pug pov where people rage quit after the first wipe, if you end up in fail pug it’s preferable not to get saved before you kill something that drop actual loot. Yeah, good point. We didn’t even try to skip killing the minibosses–I think we all just assumed that they’d assist (and honestly I’d be surprised if they didn’t). Does anyone know if the paladin Fire Resist aura extends to the other realm folks in phase 2? I was having a lot of trouble with the strafing in the shadow realm and I think we would have had a much better time of it if I’d tanked the fire version (the other tank, a paladin, used to be one of our main raid tanks and is more skilled than I, but he took a hiatus and my gear is better) but they kept saying no because he had the FR aura and it made more sense for him to tank the fire boss. Obviously this won’t be a problem in 25 man because there’s sure to be at least one pally in each realm, but we only had one in our 10 man group. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/766 "2010-06-30T16:24:42Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > “This Wednesday all European realms will be offline from 00:01 until 12:00, Paris time. > The maintenance has been extended for all realms until 14:00, Paris time.” > > Have they ever finished their maintenance on time? Why can’t they do like Scotty and always add a couple of hours to their initial estimate and appear like miracle workers when they finish earlier than planned, or at least they won’t have to annoy people by extending the maintenance when they underestimate the time they need. My question is this: why must they do this stuff right in the middle of a holiday? Couldn’t they just wait a week until the holiday is over so they’re not basically stealing a day that people won’t be able to make up until _next year_? > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Make an announcement at the beginning of the run to the effect of “I’m still gearing up; please wait on the huge AoEs until I’ve had some time to grab aggro if you don’t want elites chewing off your face.” Then let nature take its course. Oh yes, this. I ran H:CoS on my paladin last night, and all three of us DPS (the other two were a DK and a hunter) outgeared the tank (also a DK) to one degree or another. The DPS DK and I were holding back to give the tank time to generate threat, but the hunter was negating our efforts by opening fire the instant the tank pulled. So we were finding it impossible to get behind and _stay_ behind the mobs because the mobs were constantly flipping back and forth between the tank and the hunter’s pet. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/767 "2010-06-30T17:24:06Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > OK I now have the required defence score for Heroics, but I’m still under geared compared to most other random party members. As a result sometimes it’s hard to keep aggro. Is this something I need to work on or do I need to ask the DPS to hang back a little. Little from Column A, little from Column B. Here’s my advice to you: 1.) Don’t open with Heroic Throw unless you know you’re not going to need it (and at your gear level, there’s always the potential you’re going to need it–either to pull a caster who didn’t come with the rest of the pack or to give you some extra threat when taunting a runner back to you (Taunt, then Heroic Throw)). Open with Charge. 2.) Once you Charge a pack, the first thing you should do when they’re all in range is Thunder Clap/Shockwave, or SW/TC, depending on your personal preference. I personally like to TC, run through the pack jumping, and then spin mid-jump when I’m almost out and hit SW. But that’s 'cause I’m fancy. 😛 3.) If you’re tanking a pack, be sure to hit TC and SW every time they’re up. Outside of that and/or on a single target, if you have Improved Revenge, your priority should be Revenge \> Shield Slam \> Devastate. (Note: Shield _Slam_, not Shield _Bash_. SB is an interrupt; SS is a high-threat ability.) However, if Shield Block is active or off cooldown so you can make it active, SS jumps back to the top of the list. (I have it macro’d into my SS so I don’t have to hit two buttons.) If you ever get your T10 two-piece bonus, SS will also go back to the head of the list regardless of SB status. 4.) Spam Heroic Strike on single targets anytime you can spare the Rage (\>50 Rage, more or less); same for Cleave on packs of two or more. I personally have it bound to my mousewheel downscroll, and swap out HS and Cleave depending on whether I’m going to be up against trash or a boss. 5.) Tab targets (or manually swap among them) to use one or two abilities on each, then keep moving on. Pay attention to the threat levels on each one, too–you can skip the attacks on a mob where you have a heavy lead in favor of one where a DPS is creeping up on you. 6.) Don’t be afraid to mark targets and assign a kill order. It’s much easier to hold aggro when you and the DPS are all focused on the same target–plus you can keep using AOE threat abilities that will give you an even better lead on the remaining targets. If a DPS pulls off you by using AOE when you’ve told them a specific target to hit, that’s their problem, not yours. What spec are you using? If it’s not some form of 15/3/53, that could be where part of your problems are coming from (i.e., Deep Wounds and Armored to the Teeth are pretty much 100% required for a Prot Warrior to hold aggro.) Link me your profile and I’ll try to take a look at it when I get home tonight to see if there are any suggestions I can make there. > [@winterhawk11](#): > > Clearly I need more practice strafing in a circle while simultaneously pushing the right buttons. Ugh, seriously?! Sounds like Maly all over again. I fucking hated Maly. > [@Bosstone](#): > > Since it’s ridiculously easy to keep people alive in heroics these days as a resto tree (on many boss fights I literally just Rejuv and Regrowth and wait), I decided to try playing in caster mode. Caster Resto or caster Boomkin? I’ve had people heal me as the latter. 😃 > [@CreaseMunky](#): > > Is there a way to dismiss totems? There’s a script command you can make a macro for to use until he gets the ability that recalls them (level 30 sounds right for that). It doesn’t refund any mana like the ability will, but on the plus side it doesn’t eat a GCD, either. I can’t search from it from work, but you can probably find it if you check WoWWiki’s page of useful Shaman macros. Otherwise, I can try to remember to see if I still have it when I get home. > [@winterhawk11](#): > > Does anyone know if the paladin Fire Resist aura extends to the other realm folks in phase 2? My WAG is no, but it might. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > My question is this: why must they do this stuff right in the middle of a holiday? Because sometimes Blizzard is fucking stupid. > [@](#): > > So we were finding it impossible to get behind and _stay_ behind the mobs because the mobs were constantly flipping back and forth between the tank and the hunter’s pet. Sounds like a Growl problem, not a gear problem. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Daedelus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daedelus)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/768 "2010-06-30T17:33:26Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > Hmm…Ruby Sanctum. Looks like a fun fight. Unfortunately I made the mistake of getting my tank locked with a group that had limited time (I was one of the limited-time folks) and we couldn’t quite get him down. The movement in phase 2 is a pain in the neck. I was the shadow-realm tank, and doing the constant rotation wasn’t easy for me–I felt very jerky and kept having him in the wrong place. I also felt like it was my fault we didn’t get him down. ☹ Realistically I don’t think it was \*all \*my fault, but it still felt bad to keep messing up on the rotation. > > We should be doing him in our main raid on 25 tomorrow night, so hopefully my mage will do better (and have less responsibility!) Next time I tank it I’m going to allow myself more time. It can be a bit tricky, but I’m sure you’ll get it. My guild cleared both 10 and 25 on normal last night before ICC. We didn’t know that you could just immediately start on Heroic attempts (assumed there was some kind of attunement), but in hindsight, I don’t think it’s that big of a deal, as we got to see a new fight, got some i271 loot and are familiar with the normal version of the fight. As for strafing during Twilight Cutter in the shadow realm, I wouldn’t even worry about building threat for those few seconds, and just focus on the movement first. If you can, try to keep one of the orbs behind your left or right shoulder, and you should be able to keep strafing accordingly. It does take some practice, but I’m sure you’ll get it. > [@Bosstone](#): > > You _can_ kill Halion first, but the other bosses don’t assist him as they do Sartharion. Either that or they do assist, but you don’t get any extra credit for it, I forget which. But since they drop emblems, there’s no reason not to go kill them. This is incorrect. Halion does not spawn until you kill the three mini-bosses. He is not even in the instance until that point. You must kill Balthurus and Saviana (sp?), then the General in the back before Halion will appear. > [@winterhawk11](#): > > Yeah, good point. We didn’t even try to skip killing the minibosses–I think we all just assumed that they’d assist (and honestly I’d be surprised if they didn’t). > > Does anyone know if the paladin Fire Resist aura extends to the other realm folks in phase 2? I was having a lot of trouble with the strafing in the shadow realm and I think we would have had a much better time of it if I’d tanked the fire version (the other tank, a paladin, used to be one of our main raid tanks and is more skilled than I, but he took a hiatus and my gear is better) but they kept saying no because he had the FR aura and it made more sense for him to tank the fire boss. > > Obviously this won’t be a problem in 25 man because there’s sure to be at least one pally in each realm, but we only had one in our 10 man group. No, the resistance auras and Bloodlust/Heroism do not cross between the realms. You need to have a shaman in each and a paladin in each running the respective resist auras. Tanking in the fire realm is noticeably easier than shadow, and the tank in the shadow realm can take quite a bit more damage than the fire realm. So, not sure exactly what your gear discrepancy is, but I’d imagine that you should stay in the shadow realm. You can get the movement down, it will just take some practice. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/769 "2010-06-30T17:40:01Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Caster Resto or caster Boomkin? I’ve had people heal me as the latter. 😃 Caster Resto. Nahren’s Bear/Tree specced. My gear is good enough that I can heal most heroics without needing to be in tree form, so what the hell, I may as well help speed the instance up. > [@Daedelus](#): > > This is incorrect. Halion does not spawn until you kill the three mini-bosses. He is not even in the instance until that point. You must kill Balthurus and Saviana (sp?), then the General in the back before Halion will appear. I guess I had bad information. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/770 "2010-06-30T18:26:50Z")
> [@Daedelus](#): > > No, the resistance auras and Bloodlust/Heroism do not cross between the realms. You need to have a shaman in each and a paladin in each running the respective resist auras. Tanking in the fire realm is noticeably easier than shadow, and the tank in the shadow realm can take quite a bit more damage than the fire realm. So, not sure exactly what your gear discrepancy is, but I’d imagine that you should stay in the shadow realm. You can get the movement down, it will just take some practice. I don’t actually have a gear discrepancy. [My gear is great](http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&cn=Anathaemus). I couldn’t figure out why, if I was having problems with the movement thing, they didn’t just have me tank the fire guy–I doubt as a DK with all my cooldowns that it would have been an issue. Especially since we had limited time and couldn’t really afford to take a bunch of learning attempts. Ah, well. Next week, I guess. Or maybe Friday when our alt raid does it. ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/771 "2010-06-30T18:50:10Z")
Err, do we have a Alliance group anywhere? I’d love to join the Cairne peoples, it’s just that I’m unwilling to give up my dorfness! ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/772 "2010-06-30T18:55:05Z")
There isn’t, though several of the posters here play Alliance toons and I think Bosstone and SfG are on the same server; there was a brief attempt to create an Alliance counter-guild to the Burning Dogs, but it never really went anywhere (and anyone who wants to restart that guild let me know here or in game and I’ll pass guild leadership to you). ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/773 "2010-06-30T19:23:54Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > I don’t actually have a gear discrepancy. [My gear is great](http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&cn=Anathaemus). I think he meant between you and the Paladin–since you have better gear, you should be tanking the boss that does more damage, even if FR Aura weren’t a factor. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > There isn’t, though several of the posters here play Alliance toons and I think Bosstone and SfG are on the same server Correctamundo. We’re both on Stormrage. That’s liable to change pretty much any time, though; I really loathe this server, and if this guild falls apart, I have no reason to stay if I can find another guild somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/774 "2010-06-30T19:27:58Z")
No loyalty among thieves, I tell you. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/775 "2010-06-30T19:30:27Z")
If I weren’t loyal, I’d have been the hell out of here weeks ago. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/776 "2010-06-30T19:57:23Z")
> [@Koldanar](#): > > Err, do we have a Alliance group anywhere? I’d love to join the Cairne peoples, it’s just that I’m unwilling to give up my dorfness! When Cata comes out, you can be a goblin… that’s _kinda_ dorfish. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/777 "2010-06-30T20:03:05Z")
> [@Koldanar](#): > > Err, do we have a Alliance group anywhere? I’d love to join the Cairne peoples, it’s just that I’m unwilling to give up my dorfness! Quasi has an Alliance guild, damned if I can remember server or name though. It’s somewhere in the never-ending threads. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/778 "2010-06-30T20:16:53Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > Quasi has an Alliance guild, damned if I can remember server or name though. It’s somewhere in the never-ending threads. “slightly demented” on Alexstrasza. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/779 "2010-06-30T20:16:54Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > Quasi has an Alliance guild, damned if I can remember server or name though. It’s somewhere in the never-ending threads. I believe it’s \ on Alexstrasza. Don’t know how many members it has, though–he’s set it up as as leveling/helping guild, not a high level type guild, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/780 "2010-06-30T20:21:09Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > When Cata comes out, you can be a goblin… that’s _kinda_ dorfish. Eh, more Gnomish. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=40)