# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 436
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2011, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8702 "2011-03-29T16:13:06Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > Now you need a [stealth helicopter](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing/Sikorsky_RAH-66_Comanche). And the tribarrel 20mm cannon will give the hunters rifle envy. Seems a little unfair, but you can avenge rogues the entire game over who got ninja outrolled on obvious rogue lewt. > > It’s hard to overstate how easy flying makes questing. No more fighting roadside pulls while riding to the quest area. No more fighting your tedious way in to a quest objective. No more fighting your equally tedious way back out after doing the thing. Vertical envelopment at its finest! DEATH FROM ABOVE! The best I can do is dismount in mid air, pop the parachute cloak then stealth as I drop down to the Hellfire PvP objectives, mwahahahahaha. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2011, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8703 "2011-03-29T16:47:06Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Not just questing either - gathering herbs or ore is 1000% easier from my chopper as well, unless I’m in a zone twenty levels below me (in which case ground mounts are faster). And if you use a Druid as a gather mule, it’s a billion times easier no matter what zone you’re in. You don’t have to change form when herbing or skinning, so it’s just hop, pick, hop, pick, hop, pick. Even when you have to shift out to mine ore, 310% flight is an instant cast away. When I leveled up Herbalism on Nahren this weekend, 1-300 took a couple of nights (herbs seem kind of sparse between 200-300, and you spend a lot of time traveling between zones), but I got through 300-450 in less than two hours. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8704 "2011-03-29T17:00:42Z")
Sure, but that would require me to level _another_ toon. I do have a druid but she’s gonna have to be content to stay level 20 until I’m done with my current alt. As it is I’m having trouble balancing three active toons. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2011, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8705 "2011-03-29T17:03:07Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Sure, but that would require me to level _another_ toon. I do have a druid but she’s gonna have to be content to stay level 20 until I’m done with my current alt. As it is I’m having trouble balancing three active toons. Yes. I’m just lording my Druiddom over you. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Headrush042](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Headrush042](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Headrush042)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2011, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8706 "2011-03-29T17:11:16Z")
Bird form is great for highly contested ground spawns for quests, too. I’ve gotten the finger several times on my druid while doing the Dragonmaw dailies in Twilight Highlands 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2011, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8707 "2011-03-29T17:20:55Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > And if you use a Druid as a gather mule, it’s a billion times easier no matter what zone you’re in. You don’t have to change form when herbing or skinning, so it’s just hop, pick, hop, pick, hop, pick. And if you roll Tauren dr00d, it’s a billion times easier again, since the gathering cast time is cut to .5 second. I’ve actually successfully gathered herbs between the swing times of hostile npcs, where taking damage would normally interrupt the gather. I’ve accidentally ninja’d herbs while someone else (who arrived first) was still dismounting. :eek: (I did apologize, tho. At 310% speed, lag may prevent you from seeing other toons until after you start picking.) The advantages of herb gathering as a cowdr00d are indisputable and insurmountable. No mount/dismount, lightning gather time, ability to escape almost any NPC conflict that arises while you pick your flowers… totally awesome. You can gauge how good it is by the amount of [QQ on forums](http://www.google.com/search?&q=+site:us.battle.net+wow+herbalism+tauren+cast+time) about it. I’m expecting a nerfhammer, but until then I’m livin’ large on my herb/alch alt. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8708 "2011-03-29T17:21:37Z")
I realized last night, when doing the TB Peninsula quests, that I had been doing one of them wrong and was being a jerk to boot. You know the one with “magnets” in the name, “How magnets work” or something? I had gotten that quest a couple of times - gather machine parts off the ground near where those ghostly guys were fighting each other. I HATED that quest – there always seemed to be too much competition, or the items had a terrible spawn rate. Whenever I saw one I’d have to pounce on it before someone else could pick it up - there was always someone else right there when it spawned. The first time I did that quest it took me like 15 minutes, racing people for the spawned items. Well about half way through my second attempt at the quest, I actually _read_ it. :smack: You’re supposed to use the item you’re given by the NPC to make the scraps spawn near you. I’d been swiping them from other players! What kind of paladin am I, griefing other players like that? How embarassing. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8709 "2011-03-29T17:27:53Z")
> [@martu](#): > > The best I can do is dismount in mid air, pop the parachute cloak then stealth as I drop down to the Hellfire PvP objectives, mwahahahahaha. Elsewhere we discuss how druids are better for herbalism. They’re [better at “Death from above” too](http://www.wowwiki.com/RAWRbomb). A perfectly-executed rawrbomb needs no stealth. The target doesn’t see you coming until they’re already dead. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2011, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8710 "2011-03-29T17:29:29Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Congratulations. _makes whuppawhuppa noises while mimicking flying a helicopter_ You mean like this? https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ztay27sLIfU?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque I have two toons with helicopters and they are awesome. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2011, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8711 "2011-03-29T17:31:06Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > You’re supposed to use the item you’re given by the NPC to make the scraps spawn near you. I’d been swiping them from other players! What kind of paladin am I, griefing other players like that? How embarassing. The WoW questing equivalent of [this](http://www.snopes.com/crime/safety/cookies.asp)? Eating another man’s cookies. Shame on you. 😃 I’m surprised no one ever called you out. Or not. I guess a lot of people are kinda timid, as the “Stolen Biscuits” stories point out from real life. If you act like you know what you’re doing, people are inclined to act like you know what you’re doing too. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2011, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8712 "2011-03-29T17:34:00Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > I’m expecting a nerfhammer, but until then I’m livin’ large on my herb/alch alt. I have to think that if Blizzard had a problem with Flight Form, it would have been changed back in Wrath when they made sweeping changes to mounts and the riding system. I know it’s not necessarily so, but so far as I can tell they’ve had years to address the OPness of Flight Form and never bothered. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2011, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8713 "2011-03-29T17:37:36Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > The WoW questing equivalent of [this](http://www.snopes.com/crime/safety/cookies.asp)? Eating another man’s cookies. Shame on you. 😃 > > I’m surprised no one ever called you out. Or not. I guess a lot of people are kinda timid, as the “Stolen Biscuits” stories point out from real life. If you act like you know what you’re doing, people are inclined to act like you know what you’re doing too. I know, and I wasn’t even being cagey about it. I’d sit on a little knoll in the middle of the area, mounted up. When a player came by and activated his magnet, I’d swoop down and steal at least one of his scraps, then go back to my perch. They had to be thinking “WTF is this guy’s problem?” ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8714 "2011-03-29T17:45:28Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > I have to think that if Blizzard had a problem with Flight Form, it would have been changed back in Wrath when they made sweeping changes to mounts and the riding system. I know it’s not necessarily so, but so far as I can tell they’ve had years to address the OPness of Flight Form and never bothered. Flight form OPness is pretty well established. It’s the Tauren Cultivation racial (+15 herbalism skill, reduced cast time for picking) that’s pretty massively OP. I think, because of gathering mechanics, a tauren herbalist can start picking a plant AFTER someone else of another race has already started, finish picking before the other person finishes, and get the herb, leaving the other person with “That object is already in use” and no flower. I’ve done that too, by accident (cuz I’m not a d-bag). I would have apologized in that case, but the person I ninja’d (opposite faction) attacked me. :mad: So I’ve learned to be a bit more circumspect about just picking everything I see. The current implementation of Cultivation can definitely result in unfortunate consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2011, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8715 "2011-03-29T17:53:47Z")
Huh, weird, I’d swear I tagged a number of posts to respond to with the whole “heal sniping” discussion. 1.) PW:S, tank CDs, etc. are all irrelevant, because these are all examples of people filling the roles they’re assigned. That’s the problem with sniping, IMO–not that someone is preventing heals, per se, but that they’re _trying to do your job for you_. A Priest shielding your assigned target instead of letting you take care of it? Potentially sniping. A tank blowing CDs when they’re at full health and there’s no damage incoming? Not sniping, but certainly stupid and counterproductive. 2.) **Daed** , I know that crosshealing in your guild raids isn’t a comment on the skill of anyone involved. However, I specifically brought up heal sniping because the person who was possibly doing it literally said that they were doing it \*because \*they didn’t trust the other healer. It was, 100%, a condemnation of that player’s skill. “I don’t think you can do your job, so I am going to do it for you.” Sniping, IMO, is only an issue where a group has defined roles. If Healer Alpha is supposed to be healing Group 1, and Healer Beta is supposed to be healing Group 2, if Alpha is doing a significant amount of the heals on Group 2, that strikes me as a problem. Sometimes it’s important to just let other people do their jobs, even if you think you could do it better, so long as the way they’re doing the job isn’t causing wipes. And if it is, you should just be replacing them, period. And if you don’t actually need them healing, then they shouldn’t be in a healing spec, and Alpha should just cover both groups for the whole fight. > [@martu](#): > > Note to self - don’t take your authenticator with you when you meet up for a beer or ten with a couple of old college drinking buddies. You might (read did) lose it…Bugger. This is why I don’t want to use an Authenticator until I can tie at least two to a single account (one for the desk, one for the keys). > [@gnoitall](#): > > There have been weird rumors that Blizz looks down (agressively) on market-cornering I’ve never heard of this, ever. The only time I could see it being a problem would be if the person doing the buying were engaged in other activities, ones that are against the TOS (e.g., buying/selling gold or hacking accounts). > [@Quasimodem](#): > > And… this morning early there were 3 pages of borean leather. When I checked a little while ago to put in 3 stacks, there were only 2 entries, and they were selling for 50 bid and 60 buyout. Now I know all about supply and demand, but that stuff just ain’t worth that much, so I priced mine at 22 and 25. That was wrong, wasn’t it? I should have put my prices more in that other guy’s range, but I just couldn’t do it - it just didn’t seem like the right thing to do… 1.) Just because the other guy posted his leather at a higher price doesn’t mean it was going to sell. Maybe you missed out on extra profit by listing your leather at the same price you normally do, but maybe it wouldn’t have sold at all at the higher price. 2.) Never feel guilty about charging “too much” for an item. No one needs money in WoW–their character isn’t going to starve to death because they bought your leather. 😃 And all people have equal potential opportunity and skill–if someone thinks the market for a particular good is overpriced, there is nothing stopping them from training an alt in that skill and making or gathering the items themself. Oh, and I checked your auctions last week, and it looks like they’re right in line with market price. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > What makes it worse, I believe they deliberately position themselves in such a way as to be as aggravating as possible while they watch you try to position yourself so that you can make contact with a vendor, repair-person, merchant or auctioneer. Really, most of them are just being careless. It’s actually very hard to completely block an NPC. If someone is partially covering it, just try moving your camera around. Turning on nameplates can help, too. Wave your cursor around where the NPC is and you should find an open spot that you can click. The best way to ensure that you can always interact with an NPC is actually to keybind the NPC interation option to a key you don’t use for anything else. That way, you can select the NPC by using a target command, or selecting someone else’s target, and then hit the keybind, which will open up the dialogue with the NPC. But that’s a bit complicated to set up. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > My evidence for this is the astonishing number of times I’ve seen druids in flight form zip up to the SW cooking or fishing daily questgivers and then hover there for several minutes. I assume they’re having to painstakingly sound out every word, and that’s what’s taking them so long. Speaking personally, I tab out a lot. > [@Shin\_Kell](#): > > A little FYI for all you guilds with the “Have Group, Will Travel” perk. If you summon your raid on the elevator in BWD, they will appear at the exact spot you summoned them even if the elevator isn’t there. This is true of any summon or rez: The person you summon or resurrect will be brought back at exactly the spot you were standing when you were casting. This means that you shouldn’t ever send out a rez or a summon while on a moving object. > [@aktep](#): > > I use TidyPlates. The Neon frameset (and I assume the others as well) has the option to color nameplates by class color and I think even show the class icon. Has made it way easier for me to tell who’s what and what’s who in a pvp battle. The default Blizzard UI can be set to show class colors in nameplates. AFAIK all Tidy Plates themes also do this (including Threat Plates, which I use.) > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > 1. Horde gets to catch crawfish that live mostly in ankle-deep water, I actually hate this one. I liked the Alliance version much better, because the canals were all connected. Of course, it helped that my toon has a Raven Lord, which is tall enough that I could just run everywhere (because my head stayed above the water). > [@Quasimodem](#): > > After my 50/60 borean leather auction expired with no sale, I went ahead and put it back at 13/18, recommended is 17/20. When I looked just now, someone had come in and listed like 25 stacks at 16/17. Something like that happened a few nights ago, when some kids posted theirs at 4/5, just for a laugh, I guess. Am I pissing someone off? No, it’s just normal fluctuations. Some people make their money by posting large amounts of goods, usually in stacks of 1, at very low prices. They profit by selling in bulk and making a small profit off every item, rather than selling fewer items for higher prices. > [@Palooka](#): > > All the stuff I’ve done is streaming though, so I’m not up on my optimum encoding settings or stylish editing. I can get you to the file-on-your-hard-drive stage no problem, probably. A guy over in the Blops thread named Lobsang posts a lot of videos to youtube, he probably knows a thing or two also. Since Palooka mostly does streaming video, **Daed** , you might want to ask Cap if you have any questions about creating files to host. He uses Fraps (on a Mac). > [@kushiel](#): > > Is there any advantage to the Baradin’s Wardens/Hellscream’s Guards rep doing the TB battleground other than the weekly 3 commendation quest? You get rep and additional commendations (3) for winning. Not sure if you currently get anything for losing. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > Are these instructions for artisan fishing still viable? All of the secondary professions (Fishing, Cooking, First Aid, and Archaeology) can now be trained entirely from the profession trainers. You don’t need any manuals or quests for any recipes. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > Maybe she thought I was inspecting her equipment, like you can do when you click on the portrait? People don’t get an alert when you click on them. They’d only see you have them selected if they also have you selected. And unless you actually said something, somebody who saw you run up to them and stop probably wouldn’t assume that your stopping meant you were looking at them. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > The one which makes DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD’s all the way across until you hit escape. The one that if you’re not careful won’t let you loot, and all kinds of other problems yours truly is having because of where it is. You don’t need Prat–you just need to learn how to get out of the chat box if you accidentally click it. If you’re in the chat box, and what you’re typing is going in there, all you have to do is hit Escape or Enter, and it will clear it. (Escape will get rid of it entirely; Enter will make your character say what you typed, in a way that other people can read it.) This should never affect your looting. You’ll have a bubble pop up over your head, but that will disappear after a few seconds. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > I think I may have fixed my problem with the “say:” box. I’m not sure that this has fixed your problem. All you’ve done is turn off the display of the “Say” channel in your chat window. So now, if someone says something in Say, you won’t see it, unless you saw the actual speech bubble above their head. > [@Skammer](#): > > As an engineer I’ve been tempted to throw down a Target Dummy when I take aggro, but I figured that would just make the tank’s job harder. Pretty much, yeah. It’s a nice “ohshit” for when you’re on your own, but in an instance, it will prevent the tank from getting the stray mob back. The best bet is always to run to the tank with anything that you peel off them. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > I wish there were a way to check what’s in your bank while you’re out in the field. There are a few ways, but they’re not easily accessable. 1.) All Goblins can get to their banks, by a racial skill. I think it’s a 30-minute cooldown. 2.) There’s a pet from the Argent Tournament that will let you access one of a few things (mailbox, bank, vendor) once every four hours. > [@](#): > > Also, back to **Wolkie’s** being knocked sideways or even backward… The GM maintains that the best way to fix that way is to “steer” him back correctly with a mouse. Well, if I do that, it’s like an 8-step maneuver, and, while that’s okay with lower-level NPC’s, I would die with anything 80 or above, if I tried to correct. The GM is right, and it’s not a problem with the game. There are two ways to move: with the keyboard and with the mouse. This is one of those cases where I really wish I could lean over your shoulder, because this would be so easy to show you in person and is hard to describe just via text. If you get knocked away from something that’s attacking you, so that you’re turned facing away from it, you need to get yourself facing the thing again. If you move your camera so that it’s facing the thing, and then click both mouse buttons, your character will turn to face the direction you just clicked (and move in that direction if you hold the buttons down). > [@](#): > > So… I have decided to play him that way and see if the game will correct him. No. The game will not rotate your character due to melee attacks. It will just give you error messages that you’re facing the wrong way. > [@Nava](#): > > Does anybody have a shield with a spike I can borrow? I think my Wall of the Dead still has a shield spike of some kind on it. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2011, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8716 "2011-03-29T17:53:55Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > Flight form OPness is pretty well established. It’s the Tauren Cultivation racial (+15 herbalism skill, reduced cast time for picking) that’s pretty massively OP. I think, because of gathering mechanics, a tauren herbalist can start picking a plant AFTER someone else of another race has already started, finish picking before the other person finishes, and get the herb, leaving the other person with “That object is already in use” and no flower. > > I’ve done that too, by accident (cuz I’m not a d-bag). I would have apologized in that case, but the person I ninja’d (opposite faction) attacked me. :mad: Cairne’s pretty low-pop, so I usually don’t have any competition even for Cataclysm herbs, but that nearly happened a couple times in Outland and Northrend last night. I was hoovering up every single herb nearby, and occasionally I’d see someone sedately flap in on their weak little 150% mount approaching the herb node. By the time I saw them approach I’d already zipped off, though. ---
**Author:** ![Enilno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/58f4c7/32.png) [@Enilno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enilno)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8717 "2011-03-29T19:11:02Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > 2.) **Daed** , I know that crosshealing in your guild raids isn’t a comment on the skill of anyone involved. However, I specifically brought up heal sniping because the person who was possibly doing it literally said that they were doing it \*because \*they didn’t trust the other healer. It was, 100%, a condemnation of that player’s skill. “I don’t think you can do your job, so I am going to do it for you.” Expectations are different in a PUG. If I were in that situation where I don’t know the capabilities of someone I’ve never played before, and I’d rather err on the side of caution. I think it’s preferable to risk offending one person than to let down the rest of the raid by wiping. If you were in a pug and a tank ignores an add spawn he’s assigned to would you try to grab it and potentially save the raid or stand there and do nothing to avoid offending said tank, who might just be a bit slow on the taunt? ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2011, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8718 "2011-03-29T19:21:32Z")
> [@Enilno](#): > > Expectations are different in a PUG. If I were in that situation where I don’t know the capabilities of someone I’ve never played before, and I’d rather err on the side of caution. I think it’s preferable to risk offending one person than to let down the rest of the raid by wiping. > > If you were in a pug and a tank ignores an add spawn he’s assigned to would you try to grab it and potentially save the raid or stand there and do nothing to avoid offending said tank, who might just be a bit slow on the taunt? Since I started the whole cross-healing discussion, I’ll point out that this was the original scenario - a pug raid doing Baradin Hold. I wasn’t too concerned about hurting the other healer’s feelings, he had already lost one DPS and I didn’t want us to wipe because I could have helped him but didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Shin\_Kell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/97f17d/32.png) [@Shin\_Kell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shin_Kell)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2011, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8719 "2011-03-29T19:35:10Z")
[QUOTE=Shot From Guns] This is true of any summon or rez: The person you summon or resurrect will be brought back at exactly the spot you were standing when you were casting. This means that you shouldn’t ever send out a rez or a summon while on a moving object. [/QUOTE] Unless you really want to kill your raid 😃 To be fair I did warn them that I was going to summon them on the elevator and to BE CAREFUL! The only sad part is I wasn’t able to summon them from the very top because I’m bad at timing. They hotfixed it so you can’t summon inside instances anymore, so they don’t have to worry about me summoning them to their death. Just got out of Heroic Throne of the Tides with my druid, healing. Hoo boy that was a trip. The tank didn’t believe in CC, even though his gear couldn’t really handle it, and loved to stand in everything. Poison, earth shards, tornadoes… but for some reason he was smart enough to move out of geysers. I’m still not sure how we made it through the dungeon without a wipe, but it was one of the more painful dungeon’s I’ve done so far. At least the mage in the group was sympathetic and tried to sheep when she could. Gotta love pugs… ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2011, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8720 "2011-03-29T19:41:43Z")
> [@Shin\_Kell](#): > > At least the mage in the group was sympathetic and tried to sheep when she could. Gotta love pugs… But then the tank breaks CC. Not with an AoE, either. With a targeted attack. Didn’t happen that way? It has in groups I’ve run with. Dammit, if I go to the trouble of throwing a freeze trap at a moving target, and it succeeds, why the hell doesn’t the tank leave well enough alone? Sigh. I hate pugs. Too bad it’s almost the only way to grind rep and points for raid-prep gear. Being in the JV of the guild, and not actually knowing any guildy in real-life, means puggage is the way I have to roll. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2011, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8721 "2011-03-29T19:43:20Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > But then the tank breaks CC. Not with an AoE, either. With a targeted attack. This is the great thing about the Warlock elemental CC - “no, that elemental is staying cc’d until I SAY you can attack it.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=435) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=437)