# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 440
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2011, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8782 "2011-03-31T20:03:51Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > [Patch 4.1 notes have been updated.](http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2356431#blog) > > “All trade goods available for purchase with Honor or Justice Points from the associated commodities vendors have had their prices reduced by 50%.” 😃 I’m glad I haven’t spent points on commodities then. I await with great anticipation the cumulative forum QQ’age from everyone who bought at full price just before the patch hits live, demanding refund of the difference. > [@](#): > > “Multi-Shot damage has been increased by 250%.” DO WANT About f’in time. I am sick and tired of having no meaningful contribution in mass-mob situations. I promise not to use it in mass-pvp target situations tho. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2011, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8783 "2011-03-31T20:33:01Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > 4.) A bunch of Heroics are getting nerfs. I’m totally fine with this, personally, since they haven’t been challenging at all since I started getting raid geared again, so anything that makes them even faster is welcome. Not only that, but by making them easier they’ll lower the barrier of entry for people who’ve been having a tough time with heroics the past few months. I’m all for making things better for raiders and non alike. The funniest change is the Defias Blood Wizard, though. Ragezone used to increase both damage dealt and damage taken by 50%. Now it’ll only increase damage dealt by 50%, with damage taken untouched. Possibly the first time I’ve seen an enemy given an ability that only buffs players. > [@gnoitall](#): > > I’m glad I haven’t spent points on commodities then. I await with great anticipation the cumulative forum QQ’age from everyone who bought at full price just before the patch hits live, demanding refund of the difference. As it ever was, so shall it ever be. They got the benefits of having those items sooner than folks who couldn’t afford them. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2011, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8784 "2011-03-31T20:35:21Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > The funniest change is the Defias Blood Wizard, though. Ragezone used to increase both damage dealt and damage taken by 50%. Now it’ll only increase damage dealt by 50%, with damage taken untouched. Possibly the first time I’ve seen an enemy given an ability that only buffs players. I think you’re confused about how RAEG ZOAN works. It affects \*anything \*standing in it–so a hostile mob inside of one will \*also \*deal 50% increased damage. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2011, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8785 "2011-03-31T20:37:24Z")
Do Rage Zones affect healing? I was never sure if I should stand in it or not. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2011, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8786 "2011-03-31T20:47:17Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I think you’re confused about how RAEG ZOAN works. It affects \*anything \*standing in it–so a hostile mob inside of one will \*also \*deal 50% increased damage. I figured that, but mobs are also stupid and won’t deliberately stand in one. But, true, it helps both sides. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2011, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8787 "2011-03-31T20:53:09Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Do Rage Zones affect healing? No, the buff explcitly states “damage.” > [@Bosstone](#): > > I figured that, but mobs are also stupid and won’t deliberately stand in one. It’s a tanking issue. You have to make sure that you drag the trash out of the bubbles. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2011, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8788 "2011-03-31T21:00:31Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > No, the buff explcitly states “damage.” > > It’s a tanking issue. You have to make sure that you drag the trash out of the bubbles. That’s what I thought. So, ideally, I don’t want to stand in it (before the patch) because it can only cause me to take more damage with no benefit. After the patch it’ll be irrelevent. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2011, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8789 "2011-03-31T21:02:49Z")
Bingo. Although standing in the patch should only be a problem for the tank, since nobody else should be taking any damage, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2011, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8790 "2011-03-31T21:42:56Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > My hunter is only 26 now, but I tried using multi-shot a couple of times in BFD last night and was underwhelmed by the damage. Looking forward to this chage. > > The price change will be nice when I’m done building my offspec gear set. And woo-hoo for the HP buff. We used to have an awesome AoE spell that worked like a spell with a radius as opposed to just picking three targets. Then they took it away and gave us Multishot, which is basically useless. I try to bring it out on all the troggs in various Cata dungeons and by the time it goes off a mage has already killed the whole bloody group. ---
**Author:** ![Shin\_Kell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/97f17d/32.png) [@Shin\_Kell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shin_Kell)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2011, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8791 "2011-03-31T21:53:19Z")
Dear Looking For Dungeon, Stop “randoming” me into Grim Batol every day, on each toon, for my daily heroic. Thanks! -Shin …okay so maybe it isn’t every day, but I swear I get that place at least twice a day. Today it was my random daily for 4 of my 85s. Left it straight away on my warrior switch to my druid and get thrown right back in. Group has no slows, nor any desire to kill adds on Dragha so we wipe and skip, Erudax is messy but we down it with 3 people dead at the end and enough whelps flying around to make Onyxia jealous. Switch back to the warrior, get Vortex Pinnacle and probably the best random group I’ve had since the feature was put in. Hop to the shaman and BAM! Grim Batol. Everyone lol’s and bails at the start, next random is Blackrock Caverns with another totally awesome group. Get on the DK and right back into Grim Batol, 3/5 guild group with a pug tank and myself. Healer is probably cheesing the ilevel with gear in her bags. Goes OOM every pull and the poor tank is having to blow cooldowns every pull because nobody will CC. Wipe twice on the first boss, I save it with Army and then the tank drops. Get a new tank, Throngus takes 3 wipes because the healer is going nearly OOM after the first shield phase. Dragha only takes two, I sit myself on the adds because I love Chains and my Chilblains, pretty sure I was the only one killing them too. One shot Erudax with me slowing both adds and getting some very lucky procs. Took us about two hours. I used to think Grim Batol was pretty neat… not anymore. More Nefarian attempts tonight! I feel a boss kill coming soon. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2011, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8792 "2011-03-31T22:04:21Z")
Shin, just out of curiosity what was the class/spec of that healer? I’ve had issues with mana on my holy priest (just in regular dungeons) so I’m just wondering if I’m doing it wrong (probably) or my gear is just not good enough yet (also probably) or if H Priests have challenging mana issues in general. ---
**Author:** ![Shin\_Kell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/97f17d/32.png) [@Shin\_Kell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shin_Kell)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2011, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8793 "2011-03-31T22:56:03Z")
[QUOTE=Scammer] Shin, just out of curiosity what was the class/spec of that healer? I’ve had issues with mana on my holy priest (just in regular dungeons) so I’m just wondering if I’m doing it wrong (probably) or my gear is just not good enough yet (also probably) or if H Priests have challenging mana issues in general. [/QUOTE] It was a priest, I’ll assume she was holy since I didn’t see penance being thrown around. She also had a fairly low mana pool, which didn’t bother me at first. I’ve had holy priest healers in the past that didn’t seem to have any trouble with mana, probably just a combination of decent gear with the knowledge of how to play the spec to the fullest. The last time you healed me you did just fine. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2011, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8794 "2011-03-31T23:41:41Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > I think it’s time for ‘hey tell me why my gear sucks’! [Armory link over yonder.](http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/ysera/corialis/advanced) I do notice I haven’t been keeping up with enchanting new pieces, I’ll work on those. I expect most comments are going to be ‘do more heroics for better gear’. I hope. When you’re running heroics, my first priority would be to replace those leather pieces with mail so you can get the 5% bonus in Mail Specialization. Second, your gems match socket bonus, which isn’t completely ideal. As MM, I would gem agility and _maybe_ an agi/crit gem in yellow sockets if the bonus was worth it. Otherwise, rub that tasty agi all over your gear. Remember, you can also reforge your stuff to drop a less desirable stat for a more desirable stat. This is cheaper and can give better bang for the buck than gemming for the stat in question. Finally, I’d consider picking out glyphs for your empty slots. They’re not a _direct_ DPS increase, but they do make life easier. A couple of majors that might be good for you: Trap Launcher, Disengage. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2011, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8795 "2011-03-31T23:45:55Z")
> [@Shin\_Kell](#): > > It was a priest, I’ll assume she was holy since I didn’t see penance being thrown around. She also had a fairly low mana pool, which didn’t bother me at first. I’ve had holy priest healers in the past that didn’t seem to have any trouble with mana, probably just a combination of decent gear with the knowledge of how to play the spec to the fullest. > > The last time you healed me you did just fine. Going OOM on every pull even without CC does sound a little odd. Also, holy priests use Chakra which means a funky light show around their feet. Lightwell too, on the occasion they’re stubborn enough to try to train pugs to click. 😃 I wonder if the priest was still trying to do Wrath healing… Skammer, feel free to ask me holy questions and I can do my best to answer them – I know holy much better than disc. \>.\> ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8796 "2011-04-01T00:37:47Z")
Well, I haven’t done a lot of pugging with my holy priest. I did get to a point where I didn’t run out of mana on every fight, but a lot of fights were close and I almost always had to drink after each pull. I’m just used to my pally now who never has any mana issues (but he also has much better gear). I probably just need practice and more gear. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8797 "2011-04-01T01:11:26Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > When you’re running heroics, my first priority would be to replace those leather pieces with mail so you can get the 5% bonus in Mail Specialization. Second, your gems match socket bonus, which isn’t completely ideal. As MM, I would gem agility and _maybe_ an agi/crit gem in yellow sockets if the bonus was worth it. Otherwise, rub that tasty agi all over your gear. Remember, you can also reforge your stuff to drop a less desirable stat for a more desirable stat. This is cheaper and can give better bang for the buck than gemming for the stat in question. > > Finally, I’d consider picking out glyphs for your empty slots. They’re not a _direct_ DPS increase, but they do make life easier. A couple of majors that might be good for you: Trap Launcher, Disengage. Oooooh! I forgot all about glyphs! Now that I actually use Trap Launcher I should get the glyph. My gear never has a gem slot that matches agi gems. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8798 "2011-04-01T04:45:27Z")
I got **Wolkie** to 83 a little while ago. I’m glad I went back to Deepholm b/c I stopped farming leather when I saw the going price had dropped to 7g to bid. When I got back to the inn in the Dwarven District, I saw I had an invitation for Heroe’s Call in Uldum. I have a few more quests to tie up in DH, first. Did y’all do that one on the ship where you’re supposed to jump on Stormbeak’s back and watch the interrogation? Did you notice how far from the ship Stormbeak was hovering??? I saw that, and said eff no, dude! I’ve already fallen from this ship once, wound up in the engine room tubes and had to hearth to get out. I ain’t doin’ this again. Finally jumped up on one of the bannister posts and caught the green arrow. So anyway, a couple of loose ends (explorers, etc.) and then on the Uldum, or should I stay in DH and see what else opens up? Thanks Q PS: Caught “Melia’s Magnificent Scepter” on a drop. I am auctioning it, b/c bidding starts at 76. So far no nibbles. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8799 "2011-04-01T05:38:15Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > I got **Wolkie** to 83 a little while ago. I’m glad I went back to Deepholm b/c I stopped farming leather when I saw the going price had dropped to 7g to bid. > > \ > > PS: Caught “Melia’s Magnificent Scepter” on a drop. I am auctioning it, b/c bidding starts at 76. So far no nibbles. 🙂 Suggestion: Don’t even worry about the “Starting Bid” price. The only number you really need to worry about is the “Buyout” price, because that’s all buyers look at. I know it’s called an “auction house”, but it’s really more of a “flea market”. Buyers just look at the Buyout price, and if they like it they click “Buy” without ever looking at the Starting Bid. As far as farming leather, you’ll make a whole lot more money on Savage Leather than on Borean Leather. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8800 "2011-04-01T06:09:19Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > Going OOM on every pull even without CC does sound a little odd. Also, holy priests use Chakra which means a funky light show around their feet. Lightwell too, on the occasion they’re stubborn enough to try to train pugs to click. 😃 I wonder if the priest was still trying to do Wrath healing… They do need to remember them, though. I still tend to forget my Evangelism :smack:, training myself on it. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8801 "2011-04-01T06:49:16Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > As far as farming leather, you’ll make a whole lot more money on Savage Leather than on Borean Leather. Thanks, **Rik**. I’ll keep that in mind for the AH. BTW, no one bought the scepter, so I went ahead and vendored it. When I mentioned it here before, it was close to expiring approaching 48 hours. Savage leather, according to the guy who writes “Just My Two Copper”, is plentiful in DH on the red bat path, so I’ll hang around up there for a while. Thanks Q [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=439) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=441)