# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 442
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8822 "2011-04-01T15:54:05Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > The only problem I have with that approach is the word “potentially”. If you’ve chosen poorly on your gathering skills (or, more accurately, shifts in market render your gathering skill choices poor after the fact), you have to potential to either lose money or sit on inventory. > > IRL, I don’t make my money on the market either. I make it by working. In WoW, I don’t trust the tender mercies of the invisible hand. I gather and use my own mats, and auction off only the excess. Possibly, in aggregate, it’s slower than rolling the AH dice. But it’s more assured. > > (All of that said, once my production-skill toons are max skill and have no projects in the pipeline, I’ll still play my gatherers and auction their take. But I’m not going to get to the point of trying to time markets, or arbitraging small differences, or even buying up current underpriced auctions. It’s just pocket change.) Yep agreed this is very user specific and you have to work it out for yourself based on what gatherers you have, what levels they are at, what the economy is like and also what other money making opportunities you have. I know that the Volatile Lifes (lives??) I bought off the AH last night and transmuted into Volatile Airs made me ~300G and this is a fantastic return for about 2 minutes work. The time I spent doing, and occasionally dying while doing so, the Tol Barad dailies might have been more profitable spent mining. Factor in the RNG (I once hit 3 Pyrite nodes in succession in TH…) and it’s anyone’s guess. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8823 "2011-04-01T15:57:28Z")
> [@Runestar](#): > > Wait — what!? > > Any gem can go in any color socket? So, you don’t have to only put orange, yellow or green gems in a yellow socket? You only need to do so if you want the socket bonus (which I presume is the bonus stat you get for filling the sockets)? > > Here I’ve been carefully filling the right color gem into the matching colored socket all this time because I thought you **had** to – that not matching the colors wasn’t an option. > > The number of times I settled for a ‘lesser’ gem because I couldn’t find a better one that matched the socket color I was trying to fill…\<…stomps away muttering to himself…\> Yep. In WOTLK socket bonuses were so mediocre in most cases they should have been ignored. In Cata the bonuses are better so should at least be considered but ignoring is, more often that not, the best approach for maxing out your performance. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8824 "2011-04-01T16:33:16Z")
The only exception is that meta sockets will only accept meta gems. The rest are interchangeable, if you don’t care about the bonuses. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8825 "2011-04-01T16:39:49Z")
> [@martu](#): > > Yep. In WOTLK socket bonuses were so mediocre in most cases they should have been ignored. In Cata the bonuses are better so should at least be considered but ignoring is, more often that not, the best approach for maxing out your performance. The kinds of socket bonuses that are easiest to ignore are the “half a loaf” ones, the ones where the bonus value may come “for free” by picking a single-color gem. Case in point: My MM hunter main’s belt is [Belt of-the Dim Forest](http://www.wowhead.com/item=57916/belt-of-the-dim-forest), with a yellow socket for +10 crit rating. (Heads up: lo-tech theorycafting incoming. [Here’s](http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/10/level-85-cataclysm-hunter-combat-ratings-stat-conversions/) where I get my conversion factors.) Right now, I’ve stacked a +40 agi red there, forgoing the bonus. That gem is 80 (40\*2) AP and 22 (40 \* .55) crit rating. If I had put in the best yellow-compatible gem, I’d get a [Deadly Ember Topaz](http://www.wowhead.com/spell=73365), which is +20 AGI and +20 crit. That gem makes the slot worth 40 AP and 41 crit ((20 AGI \* .55) + 20 + 10). I’ve gained 19 crit rating, or around .1% crit chance, at the expense of 40 AP plus other assorted AGI-based goodness (dodge rating? sometimes it’s nice) I haven’t run the numbers (not being a real theorycrafter), but I’m confident that’s a DPS nerf. The current rule is pretty much as before Cat: AP \> crit. (More generally,[AGI \> AP \> crit](http://amarksmanhunter.blogspot.com/2011/03/marksman-hunter-stat-priority.html), which renders the decision almost automatic.) That’s the first socketed item I’ve bothered to care about. Most of my sockets are loaded with whatever crap was mildly appropriate and that my JC alt generated grinding up skill. I’ll fix that up when that toon can cut any gem I’m likely to need. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8826 "2011-04-01T17:01:27Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > I think it’s time for ‘hey tell me why my gear sucks’! [Armory link over yonder.](http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/ysera/corialis/advanced) I do notice I haven’t been keeping up with enchanting new pieces, I’ll work on those. I expect most comments are going to be ‘do more heroics for better gear’. I hope. Aight, you asked for it! 😉 Head: Do more heroics (or use JP) and buy a mail head. Using your non-primary armor type is discouraged. When you do get a mail head, use the right meta gem (the AGI one with crit bonus damage, or at worst the WotLK one with bonus crit damage). Gems: You want to be using AGI gems for almost everything. This ties into the gemming discussion above - there is no reason to use a yellow crit gem to get a 10 AGI bonus when you could just put 40 AGI in there directly. Other Leather pieces: Obviously replace them when you can. I wouldn’t spend a lot re-gemming or enchanting leather items - you just don’t want to use them. Your MM talents look fine, although personally I could never live without Silencing Shot just for those heroic runs where nobody else seems to know how to interrupt. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8827 "2011-04-01T17:08:18Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Aight, you asked for it! 😉 > > Head: Do more heroics (or use JP) and buy a mail head. Using your non-primary armor type is discouraged. When you do get a mail head, use the right meta gem (the AGI one with crit bonus damage, or at worst the WotLK one with bonus crit damage). > > Gems: You want to be using AGI gems for almost everything. This ties into the gemming discussion above - there is no reason to use a yellow crit gem to get a 10 AGI bonus when you could just put 40 AGI in there directly. > > Other Leather pieces: Obviously replace them when you can. I wouldn’t spend a lot re-gemming or enchanting leather items - you just don’t want to use them. > > Your MM talents look fine, although personally I could never live without Silencing Shot just for those heroic runs where nobody else seems to know how to interrupt. Thanks! I’m saving up JP right now and the reports of items going half-price with 4.1 means Head and Chest upgrades will be coming soon for me. Upthread we’ve gotten into a discussion about gems, and now that I know any colour gem can go into any non-meta slot I’ll be re-gemming. * * * WoW got the short end of the stick on April Fool’s this year. Starcraft got the awesome one. ---
**Author:** ![mkl12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@mkl12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mkl12)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8828 "2011-04-01T17:36:14Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > Thanks! I’m saving up JP right now and the reports of items going half-price with 4.1 means Head and Chest upgrades will be coming soon for me. The patch notes say > [@](#): > > All trade goods available for purchase with Honor or Justice Points from the associated commodities vendors have had their prices reduced by 50%. Trade goods are stuff like cloth, leather, ore, herbs and enchanting mats. I don’t think the prices for armor are going to be lowered. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8829 "2011-04-01T17:38:42Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > Thanks! I’m saving up JP right now and the reports of items going half-price with 4.1 means Head and Chest upgrades will be coming soon for me. I understood that the price of the JP gear is not changing, only the price of the other consumables you can buy (the bag of herbs, the leather, the stacks of cloth, etc). That was my understanding of the patch note anyway but I’d be thrilled to be mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8830 "2011-04-01T17:46:18Z")
Ah yes, “All _trade goods_ available for purchase with Honor or Justice Points from the associated commodities vendors have had their prices reduced by 50%” ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8831 "2011-04-01T17:48:07Z")
Mixed night last night. **The good:** 1.) Hit Exalted with my guild, which meant I 2.) Reached 40 Exalted reputations and the title The Exalted and 3.) Bought my Dark Phoenix mount. **The bad:** It was a terrible night of raiding. I don’t know what’s up with people this week, but everybody’s been fucking up right and left. Tuesday’s issues I figured were mostly due to having some new trial members along, including a healy Priest who is god-fucking-awful as far as I can tell. But I don’t know what the hell was up tonight. In two hours of H-Chimaeron attempts, we had maybe three good ones, where we made it more than a second past the first Feud. We ended up having to switch to normal to burn through as much as we could in the time we had left, for VP and gear, and even that went badly. We were wiping on easy bosses that should be farm content. Hoping we’ve all got it out of our system for next week, so we can knock out a few more Heroic bosses. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > Did y’all do that one on the ship where you’re supposed to jump on Stormbeak’s back and watch the interrogation? Did you notice how far from the ship Stormbeak was hovering??? That one always makes me nervous, too! You have to get pretty far out toward the edge of the ship to be able to hop on. It’s a fun little quest once you actually get out there, though! > [@](#): > > So anyway, a couple of loose ends (explorers, etc.) and then on the Uldum, or should I stay in DH and see what else opens up? The main reason to stay in Deepholm would be to get to the point in questing where you start gaining rep with Therazane. However, the reason people do that is to get access to the vendor that sells best-in-slot shoulder enhancements; since you don’t raid, that’s not a concern for Wolkie. So, the question is, are you enjoying yourself? If you’re liking the Deepholm quests, there’s no big rush for you to get to Uldum. But if you’re bored in Deepholm, or if you want to level faster, you can head over to Uldum. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > BTW, no one bought the scepter, so I went ahead and vendored it. When I mentioned it here before, it was close to expiring approaching 48 hours. Equipment sometimes needs to be listed multiple times to sell. It’s almost always going to be worth your while to just relist it a few times rather than vendor it, because you can usually get much more money for Rare or Epic items from another player than you can from a vendor. > [@martu](#): > > Was anyone actually struggling with this?? I’m surprised that anybody was struggling with most of the things they’re nerfing, but shrug. > [@Eonwe](#): > > One of the things I dislike about WOW economics is that gold is basically infinite. Has there ever been any talk about putting a world limit on the amount of gold available? It’s just that the degree of inflation seems pretty ridiculous, with mats in the auction house going for exorbitant prices because gold is so cheap. I don’t have a problem with it, and I’ve never heard of Blizzard putting any kind of cap on income. You’re entitled to exactly as much gold as you can work for. > [@](#): > > I also think that part of my issue is that I enjoy leveling my professions as I level my toon; for endgame players perhaps that 200g for a stack of 20 leather to work on leatherworking at around lvl250 doesn’t seem so dramatic, but for a lvl 60 character that’s a ton of gold. If you can’t afford it with gold, you can afford it with time. Select a complementary gathering profession and get your own mats. (Or, better yet, select the highest-income gathering profession, sell those mats, and then buy the ones you need with the profits, with a bonus left over.) > [@Runestar](#): > > Any gem can go in any color socket? Yup. The only reason to match gems is to get the socket bonus. For most characters, you’re going to be better off just gemming for your main stat. You only want to break away from that with a hybrid gem if the bonus is good enough to make up for the loss. > [@Jas09](#): > > When you do get a mail head, use the right meta gem (the AGI one with crit bonus damage, or at worst the WotLK one with bonus crit damage). In order of best to worst, the acceptable gems are: 1.) Agile Shadowspirit Diamond (54 Agi, 3% Crit Damage) 2.) Chaotic Shadowspirit Diamond (54 Crit, 3% Crit Damage) 3.) Chaotic Skyflare Diamond (21 Crit, 3% Crit Damage) (Wrath gem) 4.) Chaotic Skyfire Diamond (12 Crit, 3% Crit Damage) (TBC gem) ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8832 "2011-04-01T18:09:01Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I don’t have a problem with it, and I’ve never heard of Blizzard putting any kind of cap on income. You’re entitled to exactly as much gold as you can work for. There is a gold cap, that is, how much gold you can have at one time. But it’s in the multiple hundreds of thousands of gold (something like 215,000g), so it’s not like most people are ever going to see it. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8833 "2011-04-01T18:20:08Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Yes, all pets of a particular family are the same, outside of maybe one or two abilities. Turtles get a kind of force field, I think, and other animal types get other things. But overall, Blizzard has nerfed any particular advantages or disadvantages that tamable pets used to have (there is a cat (King Bangalash in Stranglethorn) who used to have a high attack speed…Blizzard nerfed that). I was surprised while killing turtles in Tanaris to discover they now use these abilities “in the wild” - the turtles activated their “force fields” when their HPs got low. > [@jayjay](#): > > There is a gold cap, that is, how much gold you can have at one time. But it’s in the multiple hundreds of thousands of gold (something like 215,000g), so it’s not like most people are ever going to see it. It’s apparently been boosted to 999,999g now. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8834 "2011-04-01T18:51:09Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > It’s apparently been boosted to 999,999g now. Making it even less likely that any large number of people are going to ever hit it. I hesitate to say “anyone” because that’s what Blizzard thought when the original cap existed, too. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8835 "2011-04-01T18:57:24Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Making it even less likely that any large number of people are going to ever hit it. I hesitate to say “anyone” because that’s what Blizzard thought when the original cap existed, too. Oh, somebody will. I know a guy on my server who claims to have around 1-2 million gold spread around various alts. I believe him, too–his entire purpose in life seems to be to buy BoE epics from the Horde and re-sell them to the Alliance. He was kind of a godsend for our raid team at the beginning of T11 raiding, because he’d buy most of our BoE epics that our raiders didn’t need, and give us good prices for them. It’s mostly because of him that our raid’s alt guild currently has about 83,000g and nobody has to pay for cauldrons or Fish Feasts. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8836 "2011-04-01T20:04:21Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > There is a gold cap, that is, how much gold you can have at one time. 1.) That’s a cap on storage, not on income. (I specified income, and we were discussing income.) You could (theoretically, in the capacity sense) be making the gold cap \*every day \*as long as you were spending the same amount. 2.) AFAIK, that’s a \*per-character \*cap, not a per-player cap. One person can have up to 50 times the individual gold cap on any given account; their total gold is limited only by how many accounts they own. Side note: I’m fairly sure that the original cap was created by the way they stored the value of the gold any character has. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8837 "2011-04-01T20:11:16Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > 1.) That’s a cap on storage, not on income. (I specified income, and we were discussing income.) You could (theoretically, in the capacity sense) be making the gold cap \*every day \*as long as you were spending the same amount. > > 2.) AFAIK, that’s a \*per-character \*cap, not a per-player cap. One person can have up to 50 times the individual gold cap on any given account; their total gold is limited only by how many accounts they own. > > Side note: I’m fairly sure that the original cap was created by the way they stored the value of the gold any character has. I concede to you on that, because you’re right on both counts (all three, actually). I missed that it was about income specifically. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8838 "2011-04-01T20:22:24Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I understood that the price of the JP gear is not changing, only the price of the other consumables you can buy (the bag of herbs, the leather, the stacks of cloth, etc). That was my understanding of the patch note anyway but I’d be thrilled to be mistaken. Why must my fun always be spoiled? The Crazy Cat Man of Darnassus is going to go console himself by hanging around that woman outside of Stormwind who sells the kitties. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8839 "2011-04-01T20:49:05Z")
Is it just me, or does the [Tomb of Immortal Darkness](http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/dungeon/tomb-of-immortal-darkness) actually sound pretty badass? ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8840 "2011-04-01T21:04:58Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Is it just me, or does the [Tomb of Immortal Darkness](http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/dungeon/tomb-of-immortal-darkness) actually sound pretty badass? You are now logged in as Illidan Stormrage /scoff Omgsogoth Illidan Stormrage scoffs at your Immortal Darkness. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8841 "2011-04-01T21:05:14Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I concede to you on that, because you’re right on both counts (all three, actually). Well, of course. I’m always right. About everything. Always. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=441) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=443)