# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 447
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8922 "2011-04-07T16:55:30Z")
You know what they should have considered? Let the VP/JP I earn on my tank be assigned or transferred to a DPS alt. Or say that I can queue on my tank, but any gear I win with Greed rolls becomes BOA (this is probably not technically feasible considering how gear is stored in the DB). Lots more code, but then I have a reason to keep queuing on my tank; to gear out my alts. More tanks queue, less DPS queue = normalized queue times. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8923 "2011-04-07T17:04:59Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > You know what they should have considered? Let the VP/JP I earn on my tank be assigned or transferred to a DPS alt. Or say that I can queue on my tank, but any gear I win with Greed rolls becomes BOA (this is probably not technically feasible considering how gear is stored in the DB). > > Lots more code, but then I have a reason to keep queuing on my tank; to gear out my alts. More tanks queue, less DPS queue = normalized queue times. I love that idea. I would happily queue as a Druid tank or healer while kitting out my mage. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8924 "2011-04-07T17:42:24Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > They thought of that… > > Personally, I just don’t see this helping that much. The number of mount and pet hunters who can also tank _and_ have the temperament to contribute to a PuG 5-man has to be lower than the number of folks that will queue as a tank with shit gear and no idea what to do just for the gold and gems. > > IMO, at least. > > ETA: My prediction: slightly shorter DPS queue times with a significantly higher chance of a shitty tank. Is that a win? I don’t think so… Urgh. Okay, that won’t work then. I forgot about that part. I wonder…if a whole bunch of shitty tanks enter the pool and get vote-kicked, will a good tank coming in to a group who just kicked a fail tank, maybe even a few bosses in, get the goodies if they only do a boss or two including the final boss? From the way it’s worded it sounds like it might. I would love nothing better than to join the queue, get put into a group that’s mostly finished a dungeon, waltz in and help them down the last boss, grab my goodies and go. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8925 "2011-04-07T18:02:29Z")
Though I do agree with you that there will be shittier tanks, there is a difference between shitty tank and undergeared tank. If the OP-dps can start CCing and not getting aggro, it’ll go a long way to avoiding wipes for an undergeared or undeveloped tank. I know people want to blow through the dungeons now that they’ve seen them a bunch, but it’s the same reason I don’t queue on my tank… I don’t want to hold everyone up. Now I’ll have a reason to try. (and maybe get a few leather-spell items that no one can use cept my chicken) ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8926 "2011-04-07T18:12:16Z")
> [@Headrush042](#): > > I haven’t gone through every new quest line yet, but what I’ve seen of Garrosh in the new 1-60 quests is pretty cool (Stonetalon Mountains and Silverpine Forest). It’s too bad they completely drop that line of development for him after that. We never see him again until level 84 on the zeppelin ride to Twilight Highlands, where he’s back to being an incorrigible idiot with no grasp of military tactics. > > It’s as if they have two different writers with completely opposite plans for Garrosh’s development. They added some depth, which made him more interesting, and then completely reverted him 60 levels later. Perhaps they were hoping we’d forgotten by then. > > ETA: Garrosh timeline > Level 25: we see him gain in wisdom both in Stonetalon and Silverpine > Level 65: we go back in time and he’s a sniveling emo kid in Nagrand > Level 68: we’re still back in time, but now he’s an ass stomping on a strategic map in Borean Tundra > Level 84: we’re back to the present, but it’s as if level 25 never even happened > > wtf? Unless he comes out and says he called Sylvanas a bitch as a term of endearment, Garrosh is on my shit list. 😃 She is a bitch, but in the Head Bitch in Charge sort of way. Oh Blizzard, demonizing the belfs and the Forsaken to make the orcs look good. * * * Yeah, I don’t about this whole Call to Arms thing, seeing as I still haven’t found a decent social guild (I want one that cares enough to advertise but isn’t just for raids! I may have found one today though). I consider myself competent enough for random PUGs but since I don’t have a guild, that’s the only way I can play. Sometimes I’ll put up with the Heroic queue, but it’s so much faster to do regulars especially since I still have a few slots that could use JP gear. Rewarding tanks/healers isn’t the part that bothers me so much as possibly getting screwed over because I don’t have trusted guildmates to run with. The peeps I get in LFD are the only ones I got. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8927 "2011-04-07T18:13:45Z")
I’m hoping that with all the marginal tanks queueing up for a chance at a pet/mount, the demand for healers will rise and we’ll get a chance for some of that phat lootz :D. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8928 "2011-04-07T18:24:21Z")
Oh, and with all this talk of mounts…[it ain’t the TLPD, but it’s still bloody awesome!](http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5263/5598162634_c6cdf79851_b.jpg) Next up, Wyrmrest Accord for the Red Drake. I tried Ulduar last night but was having some major difficulty on the trash. Whoa, I just looked on Wowhead and I can buy those rep tokens with JP. Way easier, I know what I’m doing tonight! ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8929 "2011-04-07T19:32:52Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > I wonder how much vindictive vote-kicking right before the last boss will occur, just to screw over the tank even if everything goes well? I’m guessing “zero.” The DPS is in there because they want to run the instance; if they boot a tank they know is capable, they have no clue what they’ll get next, and the replacement tank would also get the bonus at the end of the run, anyway. > [@Jas09](#): > > Personally, I just don’t see this helping that much. The number of mount and pet hunters who can also tank _and_ have the temperament to contribute to a PuG 5-man has to be lower than the number of folks that will queue as a tank with shit gear and no idea what to do just for the gold and gems. 1.) The people who don’t care about pets and mounts may care about money and flasks. The rewards may also be tweaked as the experiment progresses. 2.) People won’t be able to get away with queueing as a tank when they can’t actually fill the role. They have to \*complete \*the dungeon as a tank to get the bonus, and no one’s going to let them stick around, especially not since they’ll know the person is just trying to cheat their way to extra loot. It may happen a bit in the beginning, but cheaters will quickly find that they can’t get away with it. > [@Infovore](#): > > I wonder…if a whole bunch of shitty tanks enter the pool and get vote-kicked, will a good tank coming in to a group who just kicked a fail tank, maybe even a few bosses in, get the goodies if they only do a boss or two including the final boss? It should work exactly like the RDF gives credit for all other things, which means, completion is completion; it doesn’t matter where you started, only that you finished. > [@kushiel](#): > > Oh, and with all this talk of mounts…[it ain’t the TLPD, but it’s still bloody awesome!](http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5263/5598162634_c6cdf79851_b.jpg) Woohoo! I do love the new drake models. > [@](#): > > Next up, Wyrmrest Accord for the Red Drake. I tried Ulduar last night but was having some major difficulty on the trash. Whoa, I just looked on Wowhead and I can buy those rep tokens with JP. Way easier, I know what I’m doing tonight! Not sure what rep tokens you’re talking about, but I wouldn’t waste your JP on them. 1.) Do all of the Wyrmrest quests you can. 2.) Start doing the dailies. 3.) Buy a Wyrmrest Accord tabard and wear it into dungeons. I’d assume it will work with anything that’s a level-80 regular dungeon or higher, which would include all Cata dungeons, but don’t hold me to that. You may have to start running the high-end Wrath dungeons on regular, or any of them on Heroic. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8930 "2011-04-07T19:53:21Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > 1.) Do all of the Wyrmrest quests you can. > 2.) Start doing the dailies. > 3.) Buy a Wyrmrest Accord tabard and wear it into dungeons. I’d assume it will work with anything that’s a level-80 regular dungeon or higher, which would include all Cata dungeons, but don’t hold me to that. You may have to start running the high-end Wrath dungeons on regular, or any of them on Heroic. I don’t think it works in regular Cata dungeons; don’t know about Heroic. (Tried it on my warlock while I was leveling him up, since he was a few thousand short of Wyrmrest Exalted). ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8931 "2011-04-07T19:54:30Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Not sure what rep tokens you’re talking about, but I wouldn’t waste your JP on them. > > 1.) Do all of the Wyrmrest quests you can. > 2.) Start doing the dailies. > 3.) Buy a Wyrmrest Accord tabard and wear it into dungeons. I’d assume it will work with anything that’s a level-80 regular dungeon or higher, which would include all Cata dungeons, but don’t hold me to that. You may have to start running the high-end Wrath dungeons on regular, or any of them on Heroic. Sorry, I mean the badges you can buy. Anyway, it says it works on ‘level 80 dungeons’, which means only the Wrath ones, right? I tried Ulduar last night on regular and couldn’t make it through and was getting shit for rep points, like 7 per enemy. It would be 10x faster to spend my JP - I’m not exactly hurting for JP anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8932 "2011-04-07T19:59:31Z")
But… Ulduar is a raid? You will get Wyrmrest rep by wearing the tabard in any level 80 5-man dungeon (um, Oculus, Vortex Pinnacle, the three ICC dungeons, and maybe Cleansing of Stratholme? I forget what they all are) or any Wrath heroic 5-man. You could always combine that with buying the rep badges, but I agree with SFG that I wouldn’t waste the JPs. Aren’t they only like 250 rep each? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8933 "2011-04-07T20:17:38Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > Sorry, I mean the badges you can buy. Anyway, it says it works on ‘level 80 dungeons’, which means only the Wrath ones, right? I tried Ulduar last night on regular and couldn’t make it through and was getting shit for rep points, like 7 per enemy. Yeah, I’m saying I have no clue what those badges are, because they didn’t have them when I was leveling my rep. Anyway, Ulduar is a raid, not an instance. AFAIK you can’t get dungeon rep via tabards out of them. You want to wear your tabard and go into one of the level 80 regulars (Culling of Strat, Oculus, Utgard Pinnacle, Trial of the Champion, the ICC 5-mans) or any Wrath dungeon on Heroic. The grind went very quickly at 80; it will be even faster at 85. And, again, check the Wyrmrest Accord faction page on Wowhead for the quests tab to make sure you’ve done all of those, and start doing the dailies. (There’s one at Wyrmrest Temple in Dragonblight, one at the Transitus Shield in Coldarra, and one up on one of the platforms hovering next to the outside of the Nexus, also in Coldarra.) ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8934 "2011-04-07T20:21:16Z")
Unless she means Uld halls of stone/halls of lightning. ---
**Author:** ![Clawdio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d07c76/32.png) [@Clawdio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clawdio)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8935 "2011-04-07T21:00:16Z")
If running on normal (instead of heroic) you’ll only get rep in: Halls of Lighning Occulus Uguarde Pinnacle Culling of Stratholme (caverns of time) Gundrak the three ICC 5 mans ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8936 "2011-04-07T21:05:37Z")
ToC also, no? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8937 "2011-04-07T21:28:36Z")
Are you sure HoL and Gundrak counts? I thought it was just Oc (one c!), UP, CoS, ToC5, and the ICC5s. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8938 "2011-04-07T21:30:43Z")
Quite sure Human Occupied Landfill does. Equally sure Gundrak does not. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8939 "2011-04-07T21:34:23Z")
Someone should easily be able to resolve this by going to Wowhead, looking at the instances section, and sorting by level. Anything that comes up as 80 should work on regular, and anything from Wrath should work on Heroic. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8940 "2011-04-07T21:41:19Z")
Sorry, I did mean Halls of Lightning, my bad. And I was having troubles at 85. ☹ Especially in the room with the statues that come to life. And I was getting squat for rep points. I can’t do Wrath Heroics and even the regulars feel like a stretch. 1015 JP will get me from Friendly -\> Exalted. I get a couple hundred JP from every Cata dungeon run, plus more gold. I’m not in a rush to get geared for anything. Between hating dailies and liking random dungeons, there’s no reason at all for me to spend a week doing dailies and Wrath dungeons. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/8941 "2011-04-07T21:47:20Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Someone should easily be able to resolve this by going to Wowhead, looking at the instances section, and sorting by level. Anything that comes up as 80 should work on regular, and anything from Wrath should work on Heroic. You’d think, but this is what you’d get: Icecrown Citadel: Halls of Reflection 80 Icecrown Citadel: Pit of Saron 80 Icecrown Citadel: The Forge of Souls 80 Crusaders’ Coliseum: Trial of the Champion 78 - 80 Caverns of Time: The Culling of Stratholme 79 The Nexus: The Oculus 79 Ulduar: Halls of Lightning 79 Utgarde Keep: Utgarde Pinnacle 79 Ulduar: Halls of Stone 77 - 78 Gundrak 76 - 78 The Violet Hold 75 - 77 Drak’Tharon Keep 74 - 76 Azjol-Nerub: Ahn’kahet: The Old Kingdom 73 - 75 Azjol-Nerub: Azjol-Nerub 72 - 74 The Nexus: The Nexus 71 - 73 Utgarde Keep: Utgarde Keep 69 - 72 So only the ICC dungeons are listed as 80 minimum, and only ToC even lists 80 as the maximum. ETA: But I think everything from Utgarde Pinnacle and above will give tabard rep. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=446) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=448)