# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 473
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9442 "2011-06-22T14:09:37Z")
I agree the belt-shield is situational, but at least it’s marginally useful. More useful for my Goblin than a second rocket-boost with a chance to fail, anyway. Here’s an engineering question: Goblin Barbecue says “Requires 475 Cooking.” Can I still craft one if my Cooking is lower, but just not be able to use it? I need one to buy the +Mastery cogwheel but it will take a while to raise my Cooking to 475 from… 27. Also – my priest hit Exalted last night with Netherwing! Bought all the drakes. Went out with a bang, too, finding 5 eggs while out doing the dailies. Glad that’s over! Now back to the Cata factions… ---
**Author:** ![Enilno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/58f4c7/32.png) [@Enilno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enilno)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9443 "2011-06-22T14:10:32Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > If “balance” means “don’t use this anytime it might make a difference, because no one else can either”, ok. We have wonderful tinkering which we can’t use with any reliability. Since endgame play is almost entirely about reliability, engineering is incompatible with high-level play. QED. Wouldn’t you agree that if the rocket boots and shields and whatnot were completely reliable, that engineering would be an absolutely required profession for anyone who wants to be competitive at end game content? Engineers have a profession bonus. The Synapse Springs as **Daedelus** mentioned is very powerful, more so than the static stat bonus from other professions for many classes since you are able to time its use with cooldowns and procs. Engineering oozes with flavor, get tons of toys to play around with, but is not overpowered compared to the other professions. I wish all the other professions were like that. ---
**Author:** ![Headrush042](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Headrush042](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Headrush042)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9444 "2011-06-22T14:36:26Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Here’s an engineering question: Goblin Barbecue says “Requires 475 Cooking.” Can I still craft one if my Cooking is lower, but just not be able to use it? I need one to buy the +Mastery cogwheel but it will take a while to raise my Cooking to 475 from… 27. Yes, you can craft it. It’s also BoE, so you can even stick a bunch in your guild bank or send it to someone who does have 425 cooking. That’s what I love the most about the BBQ. ETA: Err, not BoE – not soulbound (unlike the guild-reward feast recipes). ---
**Author:** ![ArrMatey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/arrmatey/32/3522_2.png) [@ArrMatey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArrMatey)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9445 "2011-06-22T14:37:42Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Here’s an engineering question: Goblin Barbecue says “Requires 475 Cooking.” Can I still craft one if my Cooking is lower, but just not be able to use it? I need one to buy the +Mastery cogwheel but it will take a while to raise my Cooking to 475 from… 27. Yes, I’m 99.999% sure you can (read: I remember doing so, but I might be mis-remembering). I’m a big fan of the BBQ. When my mage summons cake in a PuG, and then admonishes everyone that ‘You can’t have dessert til you finish your dinner!’ Then drops the BBQ, it usually gets a pretty positive reaction. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9446 "2011-06-22T14:57:05Z")
Cool, I was freaking out last night because I was thinking I had to level my cooking before I could buy the cogwheel, but it looks like that won’t be a problem. I’ll even make some extras for guild runs - someone else will just have to lay them down for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Daedelus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daedelus)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9447 "2011-06-22T15:23:18Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I agree the belt-shield is situational, but at least it’s marginally useful. More useful for my Goblin than a second rocket-boost with a chance to fail, anyway. Well, the two abilities seem very different to me in practice. The racial Goblin ability is more akin to the mage ability to Blink than it is to the Engineering rocket belt. The Engineering ability is much more like a rogue’s Sprint ability. Both get you to a different position faster, but Blink is near instantaneous while Sprint is a speed boost over several seconds. Mobility is extremely important in all aspects of the game, and with the long-ish CD on racial ability, having another way to get around quickly can be quite useful. While a 20k shield may be rather useful now, I can only imagine that scaling of mob damage will make it less and less useful as the expansion progresses. Whereas the nitro boosts’ increased mobility will always be useful. However, I’m not an Engineer on my main(s), and I’m not trying to convince other people to take up the profession or change what they’re doing with it (although it may seem otherwise). I just think increased mobility is usually quite helpful in raiding, and having multiple ways of handling movement necessities in fights is incredibly helpful (Worgen sprint is a pretty amazing racial as well). Obviously, if you’re not raiding with the character, it may make more sense for you to not use said tinker, but I’ve never even considered using anything other than the nitro boosts on my engineering toon. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9448 "2011-06-22T16:58:53Z")
Could be. This toon is just starting heroics so I’m not worried about him being raid-ready for a while. Until then the rocket boots (and Ghost Wolf, out of combat) are fine for speed. That’s two more speed options than my priest has! ---
**Author:** ![Headrush042](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Headrush042](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Headrush042)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9449 "2011-06-22T17:26:24Z")
You can ghost wolf in combat. My shammie does it rather frequently, heh. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9450 "2011-06-22T17:46:35Z")
I guess I just never tried! ETA: But I like to go into Ghost Wolf form before mounting the camels in HoO. Wolf on a camel is almost as funny (but not quite) as Bear on a camel. ---
**Author:** ![phreesh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@phreesh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phreesh)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9451 "2011-06-22T18:58:19Z")
Has anybody seen any news articles on WOW lately? I’m curious if the growth has been maintained and how the business is doing in general. Thanks in advance. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9452 "2011-06-22T20:13:26Z")
Their last conference call is the most recent source I’d seen. It’s from early May. They said numbers were down a few hundred thousand from the previous period (to 11 million or so) and that Cataclysm had greater fall off than either of the other expansions. I’d assume that subscriptions continue to fall, but I don’t know what seasonal effects their subscriptions experience. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9453 "2011-06-22T21:14:34Z")
My anecdotal experience certainly matches the “numbers are down” statement. At least a half dozen (probably more) of our guild are quitting the game entirely, including some that have been playing since launch. We’re down from 4 10-man groups to one or two that raid on a schedule. This is almost certainly the last raid tier for me as well (although I’ll likely keep my sub just as a time-killer). ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9454 "2011-06-22T21:42:17Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > thank you for answering a question I was about to ask…ie, why can my mage get the one in SW, but my Pally can’t. The pally hangs out in Ironforge, and the first thing I do is that daily before going down to SW. Yeah, the point of having a cooking dailiy in every old-world capital isn’t to let people level and get tokens faster, but rather to give low-level toons an option other than traipsing halfway across the world from where they’re questing. > [@kushiel](#): > > Don’t think I’ll ever get fishing to 525, it’s so boring. The sad thing is, it’s not half to depressing as it used to be. You could level very slowly by doing the Fishing daily every day in Org/SW, which will guarantee you at least one point per day, plus extra cash, or you could supplement that with fishing that gets you some other sort of reward. \*Fish in the Dalaran fountain for coins (the achievement for fishing up them all gives you a fun vanity item) \*Fish in the Dalaran sewers for a giant rat pet \*Fish in Mixed Highland schools in Terrokar Forest for Mr Pinchy, whose wishes give you a chance at a crawdad pet \*Fish in any Northrend school for a turtle mount that increases your swim speed underwater (not as fast as a seahorse, but can be used anywhere) > [@gnoitall](#): > > DBM bitches at everyone, even those who will never have an interrupt. One of the many reasons that a bossmod you can customize like DXE is infinitely better. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > I wanted to salute a guy named Siouxwolf and because I was sleepy I chose “rude gesture” (right below it) instead. He sent back a “?” and then hearthed. I felt so bad about it that I wrote him a message apologizing and he wrote me back thanking me for explaining. Accidentally using the wrong emote happens aaaaaaall the time. Something that can help is typing them instead of selecting them from the menu. To salute, target the person and type **/salute**. > [@Daedelus](#): > > Also, hello everyone, been a while. I thought I smelled something funny in here. P.S. If I told you I was going to be able to play _Portal 2_ tonight, I lied. I’m going out now. Mebbe Fri/Sat. > [@Daedelus](#): > > While a 20k shield may be rather useful now twenty thousand shield lololololol Seriously, how is that even a thing? ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9455 "2011-06-22T21:45:37Z")
> [@Enilno](#): > > Wouldn’t you agree that if the rocket boots and shields and whatnot were completely reliable, that engineering would be an absolutely required profession for anyone who wants to be competitive at end game content? Engineers have a profession bonus. The Synapse Springs as **Daedelus** mentioned is very powerful, more so than the static stat bonus from other professions for many classes since you are able to time its use with cooldowns and procs. Engineering oozes with flavor, get tons of toys to play around with, but is not overpowered compared to the other professions. I wish all the other professions were like that. I concede my earlier rants were a bit overdramatic. I think it’s fair that combat-usable engineering-only abilities have been tuned to the point that the only time you’ll seriously consider using them is when they’re the only thing standing between you and certain death. (e.g.: rocket boot away from some uber-deadly effect area, where you can’t just run fast enough to spare yourself gruesome death. If you die of fuel leak or rocket explosion, well, you were gonna die anyway, and at least your death was colorful.) Which, when you think about it, corresponds to the spirit of engineering in the game. You’re supposed to trigger the device, shut your eyes, grit your teeth, and plug your ears against the highly likely explosion. So yeah, it’s RP-appropriate. Just annoying to not be able to casually use, even in “convenience” circumstances. (Like dying of rocket fuel poisoning in Tol Barad Peninsula… I guess it’s a PvP battleground of sorts, because that particular malfunction seems almost inevitable there. And not just even in combat.) Ah well, yes, there are compensations for Engineering. Frankly, if they converted Engineering into a secondary profession, most of the “Engineering-only” perks would be more in line. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9456 "2011-06-22T22:15:10Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > twenty thousand shield lololololol > > Seriously, how is that even a thing? I’m a _heeeaaaaler_. If I’m taking more than 20k damage, somebody’s not doing something right. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Headrush042](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Headrush042](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Headrush042)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9457 "2011-06-23T12:52:44Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I’m a _heeeaaaaler_. If I’m taking more than 20k damage, somebody’s not doing something right. 😃 Hah! Just wait till you start raiding for real 😉 Also, turtles can be caught in both NR and Cata schools now. I know because I got one from a school of eels in TB! ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9458 "2011-06-23T13:09:43Z")
> [@Headrush042](#): > > Hah! Just wait till you start raiding for real 😉 Did you just pat me on the head when you said that? ---
**Author:** ![Headrush042](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Headrush042](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Headrush042)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9459 "2011-06-23T13:27:13Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Did you just pat me on the head when you said that? Nawww, but unavoidable raid damage exceeding 20k per person is pretty standard on T11 bosses. The randomly targeted hits are even worse _glares at Arion, who teleports across the room where interrupting his 60-80k hit is next to impossible_ ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9460 "2011-06-23T14:18:17Z")
> [@Headrush042](#): > > Nawww, but unavoidable raid damage exceeding 20k per person is pretty standard on T11 bosses. The randomly targeted hits are even worse _glares at Arion, who teleports across the room where interrupting his 60-80k hit is next to impossible_ Right, so this shield would block 25-33% percent of the damage from it. That’s not huge, but it’s not bad when it only costs rocket boots that have a chance to malfunction anyway. It’s obviously not so powerful that it’s necessary for anyone to have, but it’s nice when your health pool is only 110k to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9461 "2011-06-23T14:43:33Z")
Unless it malfunctions and taunts everything. At least rocket boosts won’t potentially wipe the raid. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=472) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=474)