# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 487
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9722 "2011-07-14T21:15:32Z")
> [@Clawdio](#): > > Do you know this to be true or are you being anecdotal? What i mean is, one side cannot massively outnumber the other in TB? [Blue blog](http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2034541#blog). Relevant quote from paragraph 3, **emphasis** mine: > [@](#): > > Since then we’ve devised mechanics that help **ensure equal team sizes** , and we took Wintergrasp’s lessons to heart when we designed Tol Barad. Another quote from a [blue post](http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1827305886?page=1#11) (ditteaux re **emphasis** ): > [@](#): > > The balance of factions is not dependant on if you’re in a raid or not. It’s a mis-perception based on the inability to see the opposing team’s numbers. **What’s happening is that you can leave a raid, remain in Tol Barad, and because your old raid may pick up an additional player from the queue there’s an assumption that your side is getting more players. In fact the other side is keeping up and also getting additional player** s. We’ve verified across a number of realms that **faction balance remains equa** l, even in cases where we found people actively attempting to use this to outnumber the opposing team. They weren’t. So, the intended mechanic is dynamically balanced numbers. There’s metric buttloads of forum QQ protesting that it’s not working, and those evil \ guys are cheating and exploiting and outnumbering “the good guys”, obviously, that’s why we can’t win, waaaah waaah. I suppose that’s a better explanation than “We suck at PvP”. My own eyeball observation is that numbers are inevitably pretty close to balanced. > [@Clawdio](#): > > I have posted before about a notorious Multi-boxer on my realm. He mainly is Horde, but has a pretty large number of Alliance toons as well. He often AFKs his alliance toons in TB, which, if what you say is true puts us at a severe disadvantage and i will become much more vigilant about reporting him. Yeah, he’s a dumbtard or a cheating grieftard. By all means, if he’s on your team, report his failing butt… all 25 of them. But OTOH, if you’re on the battleground facing my team, please, please, leave him in. 😛 > [@Clawdio](#): > > PS, when i say multiboxer, i don’t mean 2 or 3… i mean like 25. Its hard enough when he’s there defending a base and all 25 of his toons attack the same target at the same time… but its even worse when his AFK alliance toons are there taking up our raid spots :mad: Blizz seems not to care if he multiboxes… but in Wintergrasp for example they did suspend him a couple of days when he would use his alliance toons to occupy vehicles and just sit AFK in them so we could not use them (when alliance was attacking). Maybe they will suspend him for this too. 25 at a time multiboxing? I suppose it’s technically feasible, but it would (in my non-professional opinion) to stretch the spirit of multiboxing dangerously close to exploiting, and using it to own-team grief (or backchannel cheat to help his RL allies on the other side) would definitely ban-hammer material. IMHO. IANAL, IANAGM. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9723 "2011-07-14T21:44:15Z")
Is this legit? > [@](#): > > Der Players > > You’ve been summoned back to Azeroth. Experience all of the new and exciting content that’s been added to World of Warcraft? in patch 4.1, Rise of the Zandalari, with 7 FREE days of game time for your account. Simply click below to claim your free time… but act fast, as this limited-time offer will expire soon. > > During your 7 FREE days, you’ll have access to all of the new and exciting features that have been added to World of Warcraft, including: > > Two Newly Remastered Dungeons - Venture into the updated Zul’Gurub and Zul’Aman to defeat the Zandalari and earn all-new epic gear, rare mounts, pets and more. > > PVP / PVE Currency Exchange - Convert your Honor points into Justice points, Justice points into Honor points, and Valor points into Conquest points to get the gear that you want regardless of how you spend your time playing World of Warcraft. > > Weekly Bonus Valor for Dungeons - Can’t log in daily? Earn bonus Valor points for the first seven times you use the Dungeon Finder during the week instead of once per day. > > Dungeon Finder: Call to Arms - Additional incentives for tanks and healers to reduce queue times for all players in level 85 Heroics > > Guild Finder - Can you only play Thursdays at noon? Are you more interested in PvP than raiding? Guild Finder will help find the right guild for you. > > Guild Challenges - Earn additional guild experience, achievements and gold when you complete these weekly tasks with your guildmates. > > And much more… > > We hope you enjoy your 7 days of FREE game time and look forward to seeing you back in Azeroth. > > - The World of Warcraft Team I’ve HEARD about a 7-day free offer if you’ve been gone a month. But there’s at least one typo, right in the first word, and it’s an offer apparently for 4.1, when I know we’ve got 4.2 active. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9724 "2011-07-14T21:58:37Z")
Here’s the actual “Received from”: from [blizzard.com](http://blizzard.com) ([unknown] [218.38.30.116]) by [vms169119.mailsrvcs.net](http://vms169119.mailsrvcs.net) (Sun Java™ System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id \<0LOC00IGQ8VOHP53@vms169119.mailsrvcs.net\> for [jayjaygray@verizon.net](mailto:jayjaygray@verizon.net); Thu, 14 Jul 2011 14:31:05 -0500 (CDT) I should also note that I don’t find an option to accept my 7 days in Account Management, so I’m a little surer it’s phishing now. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9725 "2011-07-14T22:02:02Z")
I agree it looks fishy. Can you tell where the link goes (without clicking on it)? ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9726 "2011-07-14T22:08:05Z")
Quasi! Great article! And glad some of the folks here went in to add comments. I’ll bet you pick up a bunch of new guildies to help and be helped by you.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9727 "2011-07-14T22:08:38Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I agree it looks fishy. Can you tell where the link goes (without clicking on it)? http: / /us.battle.net.forums.login-password.tk/ (link broken) That doesn’t look right, either. Yeah, just checked. Legit forum login is [World of Warcraft](http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/?login) It’s kind of scary…this email is GOOD. It has legit Blizzard graphics and everything. Only being a paranoid mf about phishing emails kept me from actually falling for it. ETA: Ooh…that’s sneaky. The part that says “And much more…” is a real link to the real PTR 4.1 patch notes. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9728 "2011-07-14T22:13:27Z")
Der Players. Tipoff right there. That plus ‘click below,’ of course. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9729 "2011-07-14T22:13:44Z")
Could a player who multi-boxes enough toons create a situation where all his toons are in a BG and nobody else, as an easy way to get one set of toons easy PVP (honor) credits? If so, this would be a major exploitation. Can Blizzard even determine that a person is doing it? Same IP address does not necessarily mean only one player is using that IP address. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9730 "2011-07-14T22:24:13Z")
Dear Everyone Thanks for speaking up in the comments section of the article. A few things didn’t make it in, and the mention of my Doper buds was one, but all in all it was correct the way we did the interview and Lisa did a terrific job. I will make my own comments thanking y’all for helping to make the game so much fun for me. I especially remembered **jayjay’s** quote when I reached 85, about how he felt like he’d just put a kid through college! 🙂 Thanks again! Bill ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9731 "2011-07-14T22:26:58Z")
> [@Mince](#): > > Could a player who multi-boxes enough toons create a situation where all his toons are in a BG and nobody else, as an easy way to get one set of toons easy PVP (honor) credits? If so, this would be a major exploitation. Can Blizzard even determine that a person is doing it? Same IP address does not necessarily mean only one player is using that IP address. I expect that any exploitative play would require player reports; I really doubt any kind of automation would catch it. Maybe server-side log analysis (like, all 5 shamans chain-lightninging at the same moment, all toons on the team moving in perfect synchronization, etc.)… The main thing is, would multibox PvP really be called exploitative or cheating? I suspect it wouldn’t unless it rises to the level of full raids of one player. But I’m not a GM. I just know that Blizz seems to be very permissive of multiboxing. An example I’ve heard of: 5v5 arena. The aforementioned 5 shamans one-shotting the prime healer for the opposition team, right out of the gate. Game over for them; it’s just a matter of time. I have never heard of that tactic drawing the banhammer or any other sanction. It’s just rare because multiboxing is expensive. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9732 "2011-07-14T22:34:49Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > [**Quasi** ’s article is up!](http://wow.joystiq.com/2011/07/14/15-minutes-of-fame-holding-fast-to-azeroth-through-the-journey/) 🙂 I cheered when I saw it pop up on my daily read through! It’s a great article. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9733 "2011-07-14T22:36:01Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Here’s the actual “Received from”: > > from [blizzard.com](http://blizzard.com) ([unknown] [**218.38.30.116**]) by [vms169119.mailsrvcs.net](http://vms169119.mailsrvcs.net) (Sun Java™ System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id \<0LOC00IGQ8VOHP53@vms169119.mailsrvcs.net\> for [jayjaygray@verizon.net](mailto:jayjaygray@verizon.net); Thu, 14 Jul 2011 14:31:05 -0500 (CDT) > > I should also note that I don’t find an option to accept my 7 days in Account Management, so I’m a little surer it’s phishing now. The IP address (which I bolded) reverse-DNS-lookups to South Korea Broadband Co. Ltd. Sounds like a botted home PC in South Korea to me. > [@](#): > > inetnum: 218.38.0.0 - 218.39.255.255 > netname: broadNnet-KR > descr: SK Broadband Co Ltd > country: KR > admin-c: IM12-KR > tech-c: IM12-KR > status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE > mnt-by: MNT-KRNIC-AP > remarks: This information has been partially mirrored by APNIC from > remarks: KRNIC. To obtain more specific information, please use the > remarks: KRNIC whois server at [whois.krnic.net](http://whois.krnic.net). > changed: hostmaster@nic.or.kr > source: KRNIC From [http://wq.apnic.net/apnic-bin/whois.pl](http://wq.apnic.net/apnic-bin/whois.pl) So yeah, that’s about as legit as a 3 dollar bill. Your caution has served you well. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9734 "2011-07-14T22:43:23Z")
Yeah, if you did have a legit offer of a free week, there would be a link in your Battlenet Wow/Cataclysm account to “Claim 7 free days of game time”. (As well as a link under the Game Time & Subscriptions tab). ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9735 "2011-07-14T23:46:05Z")
Great article, **Quasi**! You’ve come a long way, baby! /highfive ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9736 "2011-07-14T23:47:11Z")
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**Author:** ![Clawdio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d07c76/32.png) [@Clawdio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clawdio)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2011, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9737 "2011-07-15T00:03:35Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > 25 at a time multiboxing? I suppose it’s technically feasible, but it would (in my non-professional opinion) to stretch the spirit of multiboxing dangerously close to exploiting, and using it to own-team grief (or backchannel cheat to help his RL allies on the other side) would definitely ban-hammer material. IMHO. IANAL, IANAGM. YMMV. Agree with you 100%. Unfortunatly blizz does not. Even when he used to park himself in IF or SW and just repeatedly kill our Auctioneers & Bankers for a couple hours. Hate to give him any more attention than he deserves… but here ya go, a video from back in WOTLK, i actually remember being online when this video was taken. [40 Characters online at once in Dalaran](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGLTmbQ5anQ) ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2011, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9738 "2011-07-15T02:06:17Z")
So I unlocked the Shadow Wardens tonight. Holy shit, if those are the easier dailies, I am not looking forward to the Talon Druid line, not one little bit. That “Enduring the heat” quest drove me up a damn wall. Broke my gear, big repair bill, finally had to google it to learn how to finish the quest. ---
**Author:** ![Headrush042](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Headrush042](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Headrush042)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2011, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9739 "2011-07-15T07:19:25Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > So I unlocked the Shadow Wardens tonight. Holy shit, if those are the easier dailies, I am not looking forward to the Talon Druid line, not one little bit. That “Enduring the heat” quest drove me up a damn wall. Broke my gear, big repair bill, finally had to google it to learn how to finish the quest. Strange, I didn’t have any problem at all. Are you stopping to kill the elementals? Your best bet is to just run from rune to rune and avoid the shadows on the floor where the fireballs are going to land. Every time you stamp a rune, it immediately destroys all the elementals around you. I generally finish this quest in about a minute (however long it takes to just run the circuit). Your best bet is to not stop for anything except to jump at a heat vent (just jump straight up and let the current carry you – if you jump while moving forward and the vent doesn’t catch you then you end up in the lava). ---
**Author:** ![JayRx1981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71e660/32.png) [@JayRx1981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JayRx1981)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2011, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9740 "2011-07-15T13:37:00Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > So I unlocked the Shadow Wardens tonight. Holy shit, if those are the easier dailies, I am not looking forward to the Talon Druid line, not one little bit. That “Enduring the heat” quest drove me up a damn wall. Broke my gear, big repair bill, finally had to google it to learn how to finish the quest. The only Wardens quest that gives me pause is the one to detonate a solar core, and that seems to be because the Druids of the Flame hit hard and seem to respawn right on top of me as I kill another one. Of course, today I realized, “Stupid, you’re a druid. You can stealth and detonate before any of the four can get to you”. This after doing it the past week or so. 😛 Oh well, I’ve now unlocked both Wardens and Talons on my Druid and now just need to decide if I’m going for the Armorer, Moonwell, or Ancients first. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/9741 "2011-07-15T14:23:48Z")
> [@Headrush042](#): > > Strange, I didn’t have any problem at all. Are you stopping to kill the elementals? Your best bet is to just run from rune to rune and avoid the shadows on the floor where the fireballs are going to land. Every time you stamp a rune, it immediately destroys all the elementals around you. I generally finish this quest in about a minute (however long it takes to just run the circuit). Your best bet is to not stop for anything except to jump at a heat vent (just jump straight up and let the current carry you – if you jump while moving forward and the vent doesn’t catch you then you end up in the lava). I didn’t know about the heat vents, and died in lava a few times before I googled for clues. I can do it now…but it’s just not something I enjoy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=486) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=488)