# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 515
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/10282 "2011-09-14T18:46:06Z")
I’ve only done the Firelands dailies on my priest, and even then I haven’t pushed myself to get the third vendor yet. I haven’t even started on my other two 85s yet and I doubt I’ll even bother on my pally. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/10283 "2011-09-14T19:38:31Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I don’t know, Quasi. I’ve had good luck with the “Overachiever” addon. > > Are you tracking that achievement? I’m wondering if WoW gave you credit for fishing in the pool, but your addon didn’t…? I downloaded Overachiever, **Skammie** (from Curse), but it doesn’t show on my add-on list. However last night, the yellow circles did tell me where the pools were. Other than that, I don’t if I have it or not. And yes, I’m tracking it. It appears on my quest list onscreen right underneath the quests and it takes off the achievements I complete. Maybe I’m supposed to pull up _two_ boxes? But the sparkles had already disappeared. :rolleyes: Q ---
**Author:** ![Runestar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/74df32/32.png) [@Runestar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Runestar)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/10284 "2011-09-14T20:24:45Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I’ve only done the Firelands dailies on my priest, and even then I haven’t pushed myself to get the third vendor yet. I haven’t even started on my other two 85s yet and I doubt I’ll even bother on my pally. Same here – I got all three vendors on my Pally main, but I haven’t even started with my other three 85s. Plus, two of them didn’t do the Mt. Hyjal zone when they started the level 80 quests, so I don’t really want to drag through Mt. Hyjal again just to unlock another round of repetetive dailies for them. ---
**Author:** ![Headrush042](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Headrush042](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Headrush042)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/10285 "2011-09-14T20:47:57Z")
The Firelands dailies are the primary reason I no longer do any dailies at all. I currently total about 4 hours a week raiding with my guild, the rest of the time I’m doing Anything Not WoW. I’m hoping 4.3 will be interesting enough to make me want to play again, but I suspect that by then I’ll be busy checking out Secret World and SW:TOR. 4.2 was a seriously disappointing grind that just burned me out. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/10286 "2011-09-14T20:55:20Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Oh man, my very first toon was (and still is) an undead priest, and that Son of Arugal got me _so many times_. When I was high enough level to do it I used to go back to Silverpine whenever I was in the area just to kick his ass. He’s gone now though, isn’t he? ☹ I haven’t seen him. Are there even Sons of Arugal in SFK any more? > [@](#): > > I also wish they had max-level fishing/cooking dailies like they had in Shatt and Dalaran in the last two expansions. The new ones never drop anything good. Eh, it depends on what you define as “good”. I have gotten fishing pet drops and fishing equipment out of the crappy little bag of fishing treasures, but no, not the 100g Porcelain Bell. Specifically, my DK has gotten both the [Jeweled](http://www.wowhead.com/item=45992) and [Bone Fishing poles](http://www.wowhead.com/item=45991), and my hunter main got the [crab pet](http://www.wowhead.com/item=44983). I’m still doing the fishing daily whenever I feel like it and have a spare daily quest slot, just so I can get the [Bone Fishing pole](http://www.wowhead.com/item=45991) on my main. He has the Jeweled one from earlier, but I’ll be damned if a rough tough outdoors-orc will be caught dead with that pansy-ass bling-bling fishing rod. And the Kaluak one is just hideous. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/10287 "2011-09-14T21:17:36Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > I haven’t seen him. Are there even Sons of Arugal in SFK any more? Nah, SFK is wall-to-wall undead now. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/10288 "2011-09-14T22:14:47Z")
Maybe I haven’t gotten anything good from the fishing daily because I already have the hat, the pet, and the jewelled fishing pole. I don’t have the bone fishing pole, but I have the jewelled one and the Kaluak one. How many poles does one toon really need? I did however haul myself over to Thunder Bluff and Undercity for a week and a half so I could get the achievement for doing all of the dailies in all three cities. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/10289 "2011-09-15T16:30:49Z")
So I finally unlocked the Druids of the Talon. (I took a month off back a bit, so I’m behind the curve.) First, I am completely understanding everyone who’s saying they’re burned out on the Firelands dailies. Second… although doing the Talon dailies was interesting from the perspective of novelty, they’re pretty clearly not anything I’d want to do very often. I think it was here that I saw someone indicate they’d be doing the Shadow Warden dailies, because the Talon ones were not really WoW… they’re just poorly-implemented platformer games. And I have to agree. I think the novelty wore off when I needed to return to the Molten Flow and jumped down into the cavern (cuz I didn’t notice the innocuous, unlabeled, unmentioned-by-anyone “Rappelling Rope” and thought that maybe the hot-air updraft that took me up previously might work on the way down). SPLAT. Ghostrun, and not the first of the night, and all because I didn’t understand TERRAIN FEATURES. Dying of poor understanding of undocumented terrain mechanics is not my idea of fun, unless it’s part of a raid encounter. And for whatever reason, the layout of the Talon quest space is confusingly overcomplicated. You have that damn cave, you have the mountain with the fire birds and the stupid jumping rocks in front, and then you have quest NPCs that seem to relocate like magic so that they’re never anywhere near where you are when you’re ready to turn quests in. I’m gonna do the Talon dailies only enough to make sure I hit all the Talon achievements in the [Veteran of the Molten Front](http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=5879) meta. That just means [Death from Above](http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=5874), since I succeeded in scoring [Master of the Molten Flow](http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=5871) last night (after hours of attempts). This subzone may have been a brilliant vision, but the implementation was just unfortunate. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/10290 "2011-09-15T16:38:19Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Maybe I haven’t gotten anything good from the fishing daily because I already have the hat, the pet, and the jewelled fishing pole. I don’t have the bone fishing pole, but I have the jewelled one and the Kaluak one. How many poles does one toon really need? > > I did however haul myself over to Thunder Bluff and Undercity for a week and a half so I could get the achievement for doing all of the dailies in all three cities. I’m still trying to get the last TB cooking daily. You’d think Tauren would want their [Corn Mash](http://www.wowhead.com/quest=29364/corn-mash) more often than they seem to, cuz I’ve never been offered that quest in weeks of trying. Oh, well, RNG love and all that. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2011, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/10291 "2011-09-15T20:14:09Z")
Been trying to write a song about WoW Fishing, a la Beach Boys “Little Deuce Coupe”. So far I’ve gotten to the part that goes, “There’s one more thing - I got the bone pole Daddy!” Wanna help? I’ll give you co-writers’ credit when I do he final cut? Here’s the original to help y’all get started. Come on, I _know_ we can do this!!! 🙂 [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/dkHliu4fQW4/hqdefault.jpg "little deuce coupe lyrics") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkHliu4fQW4) Quasi ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/10292 "2011-09-16T15:15:42Z")
Ragnaros finally down! (10-reg) We were really set on 3 healing it, but it became much easier to 2 heal it. In fact once we decided to do that, we had a mistake-filled run and still got him down (early death, wasted Tranq, wasted CDs, etc) The healers said it was much harder, but 3 healing was too easy. So be warned:) And of course nothing dropped for me:P But at least we unlocked heroics and can now look to get some of those firestones to UG my gear. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/10293 "2011-09-16T15:20:31Z")
Grats, Bird. Got to spend one night on that fight before I stopped raiding - it was a relatively interesting fight, I guess - I expected a little bit more, tbh. We made it to the final phase one time before we had to call it. Pretty sure it was 3-healing - not sure if they went to 2 when they finally go the kill. Good luck on HMs - Shannox is apparently a walk-over, but the next ones are a bit more challenging. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/10294 "2011-09-16T15:44:44Z")
**lizardling** , I’ve got something for you! Apparently GTFO can have its alerts routed through other addons that do visual cues: [QUOTE=5p00b4r on WoW Insider] Both WeakAuras and Power Auras Classic will hook the GTFO alerts to display them visually. (use WeakAuras, it’s better on every level: [http://www.wowace.com/addons/weakauras/forum/22612-gtfo-integration-via-hooking/](http://www.wowace.com/addons/weakauras/forum/22612-gtfo-integration-via-hooking/) ) [/QUOTE] > [@Quasimodem](#): > > Also, if I use a battle elixir (strngth of a lion) on a quest, does it do me any good, or is it strictly for when I’m in A BG? Elixirs will buff you (give you a temporary, positive bonus to your character) anywhere. They’re limited duration, though–IIRC most of them last for an hour. (Duration is doubled when you’re on a character with high enough Alchemy to get Mixology, and can make the elixir in question, but that doesn’t apply to Wolkie.) > [@Quasimodem](#): > > Is it something in the story-line that causes almost everyone I have met to have joined with the Horde faction over the Alliance? I switched my main to Horde purely for raiding purposes. If I could, I’d switch Sleutel back to a Night Elf in a heartbeat. (Not because I have anything against Horde–I’ve got a bunch of alts in that faction–but because I want this particular character to be a Nelf.) > [@Quasimodem](#): > > Aviana’s Guardians - Wave One: I compeleted it, but I’m damned if I know how! Those things are extremely tough to control, and I liked to have give out by the time it was all over, and my right hand tingled like crazy from hitting the mouse key to keep my bird aloft! Especially for a quest like that one, where you have to keep mashing the button to keep yourself flying, it’s helpful to use the keyboard instead of the mouse. If you’re still doing those quests, take a look at the mount’s action bar before you start flying. The wing flap ability should have a number on it. Hit that number on the keyboard (above the letter keys) and it’s the same as clicking it. For me, it’s much easier to type a key over and over than click that fast! > [@](#): > > Also, no dailies in Hyjal, apparently. I googled it, and there seem to be 2 answers: yes there are and no there aren’t, but both date back a few years. The jousting one where you have to keep yourself flying is one daily. Once you finish off the zone and open up the Molten Front stuff, those are the rest of them. > [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > What’s this? Varian hates Worgen now? Since when? (And the reasoning given in that book spoilers makes no sense whatsoever - did the writer even know the damn history?) The new novel is written by Knaak, who is notorious for (a) being a terrible writer, technically speaking; (b) introducing his own personal [del]Mary Jane[/del] Mark Joe unbelievable superhuman characters into the canon; and (c) fucking existing, established lore up the ass, mainly so he can work in the characters mentioned in section b. > [@ArrMatey](#): > > Also on-board with Kushiel’s opinion about how Blizzard shows women Chronic problem with the game. Look at a photo of the lead developers some time: they’re 100% men and 99% white. No shock how we end up with few strong female characters, chainmail bikinis, and races like the Troll and Tauren. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > Well, just because he’s married doesn’t preclude a relationship. Some of the best… Ah **Quasi** , I miss your humor when I’m gone! 😃 > [@jayjay](#): > > It’s a long-running strip called “Questionable Content”. I don’t think he gets paid for the online comic, but he does publish printed collections and sells some advertising, I think. I think \*QC \*is Jacques’ job these days. IIRC, he makes enough money from advertising and merchendise that he supports himself by drawing the strip and visiting conventions. > [@](#): > > Jeph’s art has very much improved since [the beginning of the strip](http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1). It really is surprising, isn’t it? I re-read the strip from the beginning a while ago, and you really do forget how much better the art has gotten. > [@kushiel](#): > > I’m thinking Blizzard has one more expansion pack coming down the pipes, and then they’re going to debut WoW II going back to basics Barring any sweeping management changes, there will never be a _WoW II_. Blizzard saw what a mistake _Everquest 2_ was: it split the subscriber population between two games. They \*do \*have a next-gen MMO in the works (Titan, which may simply be a codename or working title), but it’s been explicitly stated repeatedly that it is a new IP, not a WoW sequel or in any way related to Warcraft. > [@gnoitall](#): > > Second… although doing the Talon dailies was interesting from the perspective of novelty, they’re pretty clearly not anything I’d want to do very often. I only did them long enough to finish off the bombing run achievement, then went back to the Wardens. Also, I’m so glad I’m not the only person who died from jumping into the cave, because they’d just explained to me how I’m supposed to jump into the fucking drafts. Well, there’s a fucking draft there, isn’t there?! > [@](#): > > You have that damn cave, you have the mountain with the fire birds and the stupid jumping rocks in front, and then you have quest NPCs that seem to relocate like magic so that they’re never anywhere near where you are when you’re ready to turn quests in. The turn-in NPC relocation is actually a mechanic to lead you between different areas. They’re breadcrumbs: you start with the dailies outside, then one of those turns in inside, then finishing those sends you to Wardens or Talons, then finishing the first round of those sends you to the next-stage area, where finishing those takes you to the next pack of NPCs with a couple more quests, and your final turn-ins are back at the main vendor hub/portal into Molten Front. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > So far I’ve gotten to the part that goes, “There’s one more thing - I got the bone pole Daddy!” :eek: I’m not sure I can measure up to that level of double entendre! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/10295 "2011-09-16T16:01:44Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Barring any sweeping management changes, there will never be a _WoW II_. Blizzard saw what a mistake _Everquest 2_ was: it split the subscriber population between two games. They \*do \*have a next-gen MMO in the works (Titan, which may simply be a codename or working title), but it’s been explicitly stated repeatedly that it is a new IP, not a WoW sequel or in any way related to Warcraft. You don’t think that at some point the community is going to really rally for improved graphics or mechanics that can’t fit in this game engine? Or is it going to be one of those few games that lives forever despite looked aged? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/10296 "2011-09-16T16:01:52Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > :eek: I’m not sure I can measure up to that level of double entendre! 😃 And THAT, friend **Quasi** , is HIGH PRAISE… ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/10297 "2011-09-16T16:06:40Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > You don’t think that at some point the community is going to really rally for improved graphics or mechanics that can’t fit in this game engine? Or is it going to be one of those few games that lives forever despite looked aged? Is there any reason they couldn’t put out a “WOWII” that didn’t completely reboot things? In other words, create a whole new client/server interface with a brand new engine and graphics, but overlay it on the “stuff” that’s already there…your current characters will look better and have better skills and abilities, but you won’t lose your achievements/quests/titles/guilds/reps, etc. ---
**Author:** ![jkirkman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@jkirkman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jkirkman)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/10298 "2011-09-16T16:09:16Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > I’m still trying to get the last TB cooking daily. You’d think Tauren would want their [Corn Mash](http://www.wowhead.com/quest=29364/corn-mash) more often than they seem to, cuz I’ve never been offered that quest in weeks of trying. Oh, well, RNG love and all that. On my server (Sentinels) TB has been stuck on Perfect Ingredients all week. At least it isn’t an annoying one. The TB cooking quests are mostly a breeze. In order of breezienss: (1) Spice Bread. Stand by the quest-giver and click a few times. Turn in. (2) Perfect Ingredients. Two-level quest, but the two huts you have to enter don’t knock you out of flight form, so really quick. (3) Corn Mash. Can do entire quest on same level as quest-giver, but the “mash” part knocks you out of travel form. and then the annoying twins: (4) Pine Nuts. Flight form works, but I always end up having control/camera issues playing ring-around-the-pine-trees. You also have to be able to count to 6. Yes, I have actually managed to mess that part up. (5) Magic Mushrooms. Before you get flight form, you are in for a nice, leisurely run through TB. After flight form it wouldn’t be so bad, except you still have to pick the mushrooms, which seem to have a one-pixel hit box… (also, in regards to an earlier comment by someone about Uldum–don’t forget there are two dailies here–the Pluckers and the Artillery Spotter one. and, if you want to get _really_ frustrated, you can always hunt for the elusive mysterious camel figurines for a pet) ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/10299 "2011-09-16T19:47:38Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > _(regarding the stereotypically stereotypical depiction of females in the game)_… > Chronic problem with the game. Look at a photo of the lead developers some time: they’re 100% men and 99% white. No shock how we end up with few strong female characters, chainmail bikinis, and races like the Troll and Tauren. Yeah. I’ve been a swords-and-sorcery geek since my long-ago youth, but the thing that’s opened my eyes the most lately is having a 5-year-old daughter. “Awkward” is defined as trying to explain that the almost-naked belf gal dancing on the mailbox is just make-believe…and “Annoying” is having to repeatedly tell her she will not be allowed to go outside dressed like half of the females in the game are, even if they’re nominally wearing armor. I guess I should buy her chainmail with better coverage…😛 > [@](#): > > I only did them long enough to finish off the bombing run achievement, then went back to the Wardens. Also, I’m so glad I’m not the only person who died from jumping into the cave, because they’d just explained to me how I’m supposed to jump into the fucking drafts. Well, there’s a fucking draft there, isn’t there?! Exactly! Only in a game like WoW could a “draft” powerful enough to lift me bodily out of a cavern not be powerful enough to slow-fall me if I jumped back in. Apparently, the devs have never heard of the [Principle of Least Astonishment](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_astonishment). > [@](#): > > The turn-in NPC relocation is actually a mechanic to lead you between different areas. They’re breadcrumbs: you start with the dailies outside, then one of those turns in inside, then finishing those sends you to Wardens or Talons, then finishing the first round of those sends you to the next-stage area, where finishing those takes you to the next pack of NPCs with a couple more quests, and your final turn-ins are back at the main vendor hub/portal into Molten Front. But it’s crap if you’re careless about turn-ins. The reason I left the Front and returned to my stupidity-plummet-to-death is because I completed one quest but not the other. You know, finish a quest, turn it in, go back to the other quest. Bad decision, I suppose, but made much worse by the almost needless dispersion of quest turn-in NPCs. The second time around, it wasn’t as bad, but I’ll be damned if I ever return to that place after finishing [Death from Above](http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=5874/death-from-above). ---
**Author:** ![Clawdio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d07c76/32.png) [@Clawdio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clawdio)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/10300 "2011-09-16T20:33:25Z")
So i haven’t logged on in over a month (wasn’t planned just stopped logging in one day… i’ll probably start playing again as the weather changes) but on a whim today i figured i’d check the old thread to see what peeps were talking about these days… i can’t believe people are still hatin’ on the druids of the talon. I feel like i’m taking crazy pills, everyone i talk to hates Druids of the talon, but personally i would choose to them over the other guys 9 times out of 10. Meh… different strokes… ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/10301 "2011-09-16T21:17:12Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Is there any reason they couldn’t put out a “WOWII” that didn’t completely reboot things? In other words, create a whole new client/server interface with a brand new engine and graphics, but overlay it on the “stuff” that’s already there…your current characters will look better and have better skills and abilities, but you won’t lose your achievements/quests/titles/guilds/reps, etc. I dunno if you could sell that though - would enough people buy the same game with prettier graphics? People would just complain that they aren’t getting enough bang for their buck. Cataclysm wouldn’t have sold if it was just an Old World update. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=514) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=516)