# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 568
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/11343 "2012-02-01T16:59:38Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > My Beastmaster build is rather low DPS, so the fights get kind of boring, unless they get exciting in unpleasant and unexpected ways Heh. Try soloing a tankadin. We mostly kill things by getting in their faces and waiting for them to die of over-exertion or boredom. Well, ok, lots of things. Like 7-8 mobs at a time. But still… > [@gnoitall](#): > > My download was about 750 meg after 20 minutes of optimization, and took maybe 30 minutes. Sometimes high-tier cable internet is worth it. Would if I could. Satellite is the only option where I live, sadly. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/11344 "2012-02-01T17:09:28Z")
Okay, guys, here’s the thing: Although I am mentally challenged, I am also _directionally_ challenged, so how can I find those flags and are they at the same place every time? Click on the mini-map and head in that direction and make sure it’s the Alliance flag? Is that right? And don’t pay attention when the screen says “The Horde have taken over Warden’s Virgil”?. Really guys, I feel like I’ve _almost_ got this sussed. Only thing is, **Wolkie** (and, okay, me) wants to rush in with Bladestorm, do the communal 4 minute strength yell as well as the “draw the enemy to _me_” yell. But if it would make things easier on the raid group to have me out of the way at the flags, then that’s what I would like to do. Thanks, **Oak** for the advice! I also need to give my friend and guild-mate **Mister Rik** credit for our “Cataclysmically Superior” achievement, because I am following his directions as to what gear to buy with my HP! Thanks, **Rik**! Now that I know a little more about what I’m doing, the game is much more fun for me. Quasi ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/11345 "2012-02-01T17:17:18Z")
The flags in TB are always going to be in the same place. And you don’t have to just stick with defending flags. If the hordies take something, you can go take it back (or die gloriously in the attempt). You may see someone call something like “Rezzers to Slag”–this means that the Slagworks need reinforcements, and you should go there when you resurrect after dying. Also—if you happen to be on in the wee hours, at least on my server, sometimes the Horde doesn’t even bother to show up. I did one about 5 AM this morning like that. 5 Alliance joined, and we danced near the bridge while waiting for the timer to expire and we got a free win. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/11346 "2012-02-01T17:24:25Z")
It’s tough (in the heat of it all) for me to know where the Slag works are, and I get really nervous after I rezz because I think I need to be at a certain place very quickly, ya know, **Oak**? Sometimes we wind up down in the bottom of a ditch after rezzing, I get so nervous! 🙂 What I do is look for the little green triangles and head where they are. (Where MOST of them are). I _know_ I’m missing something (maybe a flashing red arrow, what’s that all about?), but even so, I now feel more comfortable with what’s going on and don’t mind being in a bg that much - especially now that I know what all my weapons do.🙂 Speaking of which, (and here’s a dumb question I have never asked since I started doing bg’s): if I’m specced for Arms, is that where I should stay _at all times_, or will it benefit us in a bg, if I switch from one to the other? Thanks Q PS: The “wee hours” is when me and Da **Wolk** do some of our best work! I’ll keep the TB bg in mind, **Oakie** , thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/11347 "2012-02-01T17:29:15Z")
Oh yeah. Sometimes after rezzing, I don’t mount up right away, but sit and eat my Crocodisc meal which gives me an hour’s worth of stamina and stuff, so that slows me down too… Q ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/11348 "2012-02-01T17:36:33Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > as well as the “draw the enemy to _me_” yell. I’m not positive, but I don’t think that shout is going to have any effect in PVP. It’s for getting the attention of the computer-controlled enemies. Player-controlled characters are going to attack whoever they want tot attack. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/11349 "2012-02-01T18:44:58Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Something happened to rogues. Hope it was a nerf. I hate rogues. That’s OK, we love you anyway 🙂 FTR, the change was “Adrenaline Rush no longer triggers a global cooldown”, so not so much a nerf. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/11350 "2012-02-01T19:23:49Z")
Tortolla and Aessina assisted? I have the other 2 in that quest, but damifino where these 2 are located and WoWhead has been very little help. I’m fishing for mountain trout on Hyjal anyway and thought I’d finish those 2 up, but there’s no clue on the map where they might be. Should I abandon the quest or is there another suggestion? Thanks Q PS: This is one of those really strange quests in a chain that several other players abandoned and then reaquired. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/11351 "2012-02-01T19:56:38Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > It’s tough (in the heat of it all) for me to know where the Slag works are, and I get really nervous after I rezz because I think I need to be at a certain place very quickly, ya know, **Oak**? Sometimes we wind up down in the bottom of a ditch after rezzing, I get so nervous! 🙂 My suggestion for you, honestly, would be to print up a map that’s easily legible if you can figure out where you generally are on TB, with just the names of the three flags printed legibly–hell, in the heat of it all it’s tough for ME to remember which one is Slagworks and which one is Warden’s Vigil, and I think I’m good enough to call out orders on BG chat. 😛 > [@](#): > > Speaking of which, (and here’s a dumb question I have never asked since I started doing bg’s): if I’m specced for Arms, is that where I should stay _at all times_, or will it benefit us in a bg, if I switch from one to the other? Stay in Arms. Fury is fine for killing normal enemies, but in PvP Arms is best. Switching specs mid-battleground is iffy (I don’t even know if it lets you do it) The best shout is the one that terrorizes your enemies, for the record. =) Also good is Debilitating Shout. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/11352 "2012-02-01T20:37:09Z")
I guess what I could do is a screen shot of the whole place while I’m in there just questing, and then print it out and tape it to my screen. Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/11353 "2012-02-01T20:57:26Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Oh yeah. Sometimes after rezzing, I don’t mount up right away, but sit and eat my Crocodisc meal which gives me an hour’s worth of stamina and stuff, so that slows me down too… > > Q I would not use that in pvp. You’re probably going to die again (everybody dies a lot in pvp) long before the buff would wear off, so you’re basically wasting it. The buff from that food probably is not going to make much difference in PVP anyway. As for how to navigate during the battle… Ironclad Garrison (ICG) is the one nearest the bridge that goes to the non-pvp island. When you are facing ICG, Warden’s Vigil (WV) is to your left, and The Slagworks (Slag) is to your right. The main road is a continuous loop that will lead you to all three flags, with “off ramps” for the towers, the prison where the Warden un-lives, and the flag stations. When in doubt, heading to the spot where most of your allies seem to be is a pretty good plan. Another battle tip–target enemy healers whenever possible. Failing that, target “squishies”–ie, anybody in cloth armor–mages, priests, warlocks. If you can get close to them, you can hurt them quickly. Also, forget notions of chivalry in PVP. You want a mismatch whenever possible. Gang up on enemy players, hit the people with low health, jump people from behind, stun them so they can’t hit back…and KILL! KILL! KILL! If it’s red, make it dead. On your question about the Hyjal quests…you may want to click on the magnifying glass on your circular minimap, then put a checkmark near something like “show low level quests” to make it easier to find the quest givers. From what I remember, I think you are missing the Goldwinn series. He’s a big ancient wolf you’ll free, then help. The other one…not sure. there’s one series near a tree high up on a hill with a bunch of harpies near it, the ancient there starts with A, and there’s another one just down the road from where the wolf series is, that also starts with A…it is near a raging fire-area, and involves among other things, saving frightened bunnies/squirrels/deer. Sorry to be so vague, it has been awhile since I did those questlines, and I’m going from memory. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/11354 "2012-02-01T21:27:36Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Tortolla and Aessina assisted? > > I have the other 2 in that quest, but damifino where these 2 are located and WoWhead has been very little help. I’m fishing for mountain trout on Hyjal anyway and thought I’d finish those 2 up, but there’s no clue on the map where they might be. > > Should I abandon the quest or is there another suggestion? > > Thanks > > Q > > PS: This is one of those really strange quests in a chain that several other players abandoned and then reaquired. The ease of completing the Hyjal quests is very dependent on doing things ‘in order’. If you follow all of the breadcrumbs from one to another in a series it’s not too difficult, but if you step away partway through, or try do do anything out of the ‘correct’ order it can be problematic. This is primarily because many of the quests are entirely dependent of completion of other quests. In some cases the questgivers don’t appear until you have completed the correct prerequisites, or they move from one area to another. Here’s a ‘flowchart’ from WoWWiki; I don’t know how helpful it will be (I’ve done all of the quests on more than one toon and I’m still not sure I understand the chart), but at least it might point you to the correct locations… [Mount Hyjal map with flowchart](http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Mount_Hyjal_quests&image=Mount_Hyjal_quests_flowchart-jpg) ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/11355 "2012-02-01T21:49:22Z")
For TB, I usually pull up my minimap (Shift-M) so I can watch troop movements. I believe you can also see the base-names on that map too. Also, if I’m in the 2nd raid group, I usually announce its existence in General chat so people from raid#1 will move their conversations to General. I also use a flask for buffs and not any food buffs. Flasks persist through death, making them great for PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/11356 "2012-02-02T05:20:51Z")
Okay, here’s what happened tonight, just minutes ago and it’s now 12:15 in the morning, Georgia time. I found myself a flag first off, and stood there on **Silka** for what was maybe 30 seconds or so, and then the other 3 took off and I followed, and that’s when it all turned to shit. I left protecting the fargin’ flag and did what me and **Wolkie** do best: Slice and Dice. It just happens too quick for me to follow and do all that strategic shit you want me to do! 🙂 I can DPS (or I think I can) when I see red around our enemies, but again, I don’t know what in the fuck to do and if I’m really even helping. Q ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/11357 "2012-02-02T05:59:49Z")
If you are fighting hordies near a flag, you are helping. You don’t even have to fight especially well. Just fight the horde, and maybe sing and cry “Valhalla, I am coming” to yourself sometimes. Well, ok, the singing and crying are optional, but it might make the late John Bonham smile, if dead rock drummers can smile. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/11358 "2012-02-02T18:00:19Z")
Or this one: [Gates of Valhalla](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-5rCnEN0AA) ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/11359 "2012-02-02T18:53:29Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > If you are fighting hordies near a flag, you are helping. You don’t even have to fight especially well. Just fight the horde, and maybe sing and cry “Valhalla, I am coming” to yourself sometimes. Well, ok, the singing and crying are optional, but it might make the late John Bonham smile, if dead rock drummers can smile. 😃 Indeed, if you can visualize yourself as a Viking kitten, all the better. But I guess you’d have to re-stance as Fury, since Viking kittens dual-wield. But still, if you die as a Viking kitten, you die with a smile on your face. Because you’re cute and you’re going to Valhalla anyway. (I hope people are understanding my context here. It’s an ancient meme, but I argue it’s an appropriate one.) ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/11360 "2012-02-02T19:53:14Z")
Bonham never muffled his bass drum, but was still an awesome drummer, **Oak** , and **Rik** , I like the song, but had never heard of the group, thanks! Q ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/11361 "2012-02-02T20:38:52Z")
Oh yeah. Forgot to mention that the next item of poor **Wolkie’s** gear to be bought will be a girdle!!! Hasn’t he got _enough_ problems???🙂 Maybe it will make him feel better when I buy him one of those see-through horses (another **Silka** ). We’re within about 6 TB commendation points of getting one. I also wrote Blizz a suggestion: Make the mechanostriders run like an ostrich instead of a trot as they are now. When I had my Belf, I got one and as we were riding, I had written “ouch,ouch,ouch,ouch,ouch…” in the chatbox, but I don’t know if anyone saw it.😉 They probably won’t do it though (Blizz, I mean). I never would have thought such a popular MMORPG would be so resistant to its customers’ suggestions. No wonder they lost 900,000 subscriptions last quarter. Anecdote: I was in the AH last night and saw a female elf whose guild was named “Carpe Jugulum”, so I pssted her, and paid her a compliment on the name which **I** thought meant “Seize the Jugs” (as in titties), but , “No”, she said. It means “Go for the jugular”, you dirty-minded Warrior! LOL!" . We had ourselves a good laugh over my misunderstanding, and then she said, “Hey! You’re that _guy_ in joystiq!”, and we wound up adding each other as friends. Sometimes one does meet some nice folks in the game. Quasi PS: I also found a guy who named _his_ toon, “Sonofabirch”. He runs the “Guilds of Alextrasia” thread. I told him about **Usumbij** and how the dialogue of the questgivers was quite humorous and he agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/11362 "2012-02-02T21:09:26Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > Indeed, if you can visualize yourself as a Viking kitten, all the better. But I guess you’d have to re-stance as Fury, since Viking kittens dual-wield. > > But still, if you die as a Viking kitten, you die with a smile on your face. Because you’re cute and you’re going to Valhalla anyway. Did somebody say “[Viking kittens](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApxnAr6pRt0)”? (apologies if somebody already posted this and I missed the link) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=567) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=569)