# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2010, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1201 "2010-07-16T18:41:34Z")
Welp, we haven’t had any DPS or healing problems with using three tanks instead of two. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2010, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1202 "2010-07-16T18:48:03Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > IME, the problem with tanking the zombies isn’t the explosion (your DPS should know to get away from that) it’s the debuff they put on the tank. They stack a 10% armor reducing debuff every time they hit a target, up to a maximum of 50% (it also ticks for 2.5k every 3 seconds per stack). It lasts for 6 seconds. > > When you add that plus Gut Spray from the Aboms (increases physical damage by 25% for 12 seconds) and then get a bunch of worms hitting on you, and maybe a Lay Waste, well, it’s not too hard to lose a tank. > > However, if you can dispell diseases (or your outside healer can do it for you, and is good at it) then it’s less of an issue - the Gut Spray can be dispelled (the armor debuff can’t, AFAIK). > > We found that having one tank do the aboms and another do the Zombies and Mages worked better. YMMV. I think our way of doing it might have been just based on “let’s try it and see how it works” (or else one of our raid leaders read or devised the strategy back when we started doing Valithria) and it seemed to work well so we just stuck with it. At this point, our team is geared well enough that we blow through the encounter on heroic with nary a casualty, so it’s just kind of habit now. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2010, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1203 "2010-07-16T18:49:39Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Welp, we haven’t had any DPS or healing problems with using three tanks instead of two. Yeah, three tanks is not strictly necessary, but it does make things a little less hairy especially if your DPS are getting a little overwhelmed in spots (like when everything comes out on one side!) BTW, I meant to ask you: did you try out the two-tank strat for HM Marrowgar, and did it work okay for you? ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2010, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1204 "2010-07-16T19:02:51Z")
Yeah, I agree with both of you - VDW (heroic and normal) has many viable options, and doing what works is always the best. Just throwing out some other ideas in case someone was wondering what was eating their tanks alive. Made a little ICC10 heroic progress on my DK last night, but only had two healers which kinda limits how far you can go. Hopefully we’ll get a third in there and try one more night Sunday or Monday. We really need to re-work the raid comp a bit though. We’re currently using two DK tanks, and have no AP debuff or physical damage reduction. So we were both getting hit pretty damn hard on Festergut (something like 35k per swing at three inhales). We still got the kill, eventually, but it was a lot harder than it needed to be. And I’m not sure how well we can do LK without at least one of those raid buffs. Even worse when you realize the other DK is primary DPS, Unholy, which would provide a very nice buff to our top ranged DSP (mage and warlock)… :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2010, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1205 "2010-07-16T19:10:04Z")
I believe someone told me long ago (when I first began playing) that I’d meet up with Ol’ Blanchy again? Well, I did, over in Westfall Brigade where I am now. But I thought he was supposed to be mean this time? Also what’s up with this? Changed Channel: [4. Stormwind - wolkie] How’d they know **Wolkenlaufre’s** short nick? Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2010, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1206 "2010-07-16T19:19:27Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Grats on a nice run, **Boss**. I’m hoping to get into my semi-regular ICC25 pug tonight; I haven’t had a decent raid in several weeks and I’m really close to getting my Exalted ring. Also, I only need two more Frost Emblems to get my fifth T10 piece (the robes) which will allow me to replace my gloves with the 264 gloves I’ve been carrying around in my bags. So with a little bit of luck I should be able to upgrade three slots tonight, even without winning any rolls. When do you guys start? I wouldn’t mind being a back-up to a back-up provided I get on at the right time… ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2010, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1207 "2010-07-16T19:21:25Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > BTW, I meant to ask you: did you try out the two-tank strat for HM Marrowgar, and did it work okay for you? Nah, RL never bothered. We always rip through plenty fast, even with three tanks. > [@Jas09](#): > > We’re currently using two DK tanks, and have no AP debuff or physical damage reduction. No Warriors at all, even one not specced into Imp Demo? Do you have any Holy Priests who’d be interested in going Disc for the talent that gives 3% damage reduction? > [@Quasimodem](#): > > I believe someone told me long ago (when I first began playing) that I’d meet up with Ol’ Blanchy again? > > Well, I did, over in Westfall Brigade where I am now. But I thought he was supposed to be mean this time? Nope, Ol’ Blanchy just came along for the ride. 🙂 He’s still his friendly old self. … Don’t ask what’s on the agenda for him in Cataclysm, though. I found out by accident and I’m not a happy camper. ☹ > [@](#): > > Also what’s up with this? Changed Channel: [4. Stormwind - wolkie] Weird–sounds like you somehow created yourself a custom chat channel with that name. I doubt anyone else is in there to talk to–you can just type **/leave 4** and it should get rid of it. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2010, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1208 "2010-07-16T19:23:11Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > I believe someone told me long ago (when I first began playing) that I’d meet up with Ol’ Blanchy again? > > Well, I did, over in Westfall Brigade where I am now. But I thought he was supposed to be mean this time? Don’t know about that, but there are a couple of other places you can meet up with Blanchy as well–in the Escape from Durnholme instance, if you wander over to Southshore there’s a whole lot of cool old lore stuff, including “Young Blanchy.” And… Spoiler for Cataclysm Apparently there’s a CSI-style Alliance quest in Cataclysm–Old Blanchy and her human owners have been murdered, and you have to figure out whodunit. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2010, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1209 "2010-07-16T19:30:52Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > No Warriors at all, even one not specced into Imp Demo? Do you have any Holy Priests who’d be interested in going Disc for the talent that gives 3% damage reduction? Nope. It’s a 10-man with no warrior and no priest. And our Ret Pally apparently doesn’t even have Vindication. So basically none of the damage reduction debuffs or the damage mitigation buffs. If we could get a warrior or bear tank in there, and have the other DK go unholy dps (which he is geared for), the raid comp would look a lot better IMO. Doesn’t seem to be an option right now though. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2010, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1210 "2010-07-16T19:35:09Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Nope. It’s a 10-man with no warrior and no priest. And our Ret Pally apparently doesn’t even have Vindication. How casual is the group? Could you persuade the Ret Pally to respec to help everyone else out, even if it means a small personal DPS loss? ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2010, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1211 "2010-07-16T19:57:32Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > How casual is the group? Could you persuade the Ret Pally to respec to help everyone else out, even if it means a small personal DPS loss? Yeah, we can, and will, do that. Considering he has Heroic Bryntroll he should still be doing OK damage-wise for ICC10. 🙂 As far as the casualness of the group, I’d say it’s a casual alt group with about half non-casual players if that makes sense. One guy has a toon working on LK25 HM. A few of the others (myself included, and the ret pally) have mains working on ICC25 hard-modes. But a few of the players are definitely more casual. Now that we have the core of the group together though, I’d kinda like to push it for a few weeks and see if we can’t get our Frost Wyrms, or at least most of the HMs down. From what I’ve seen so far (this is the first week we’ve had the group together) there’s no reason we can’t be effective. We’d have cleared everything but PP and Sindra on heroic last night if the third healer could have made it… :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2010, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1212 "2010-07-16T20:01:47Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > As far as the casualness of the group, I’d say it’s a casual alt group with about half non-casual players if that makes sense. The question was pretty much aimed at, “How easy will it be to convince the Pally to respec?” With casual players, it can be hard enough to convince them to try out a new spec to \*up \*their DPS… trying to get a casual to change to a spec that might \*decrease \*their DPS could take some doing. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2010, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1213 "2010-07-16T20:14:59Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > When do you guys start? I wouldn’t mind being a back-up to a back-up provided I get on at the right time… They usually start around 9 server time, I think – but last time they started at 8. I just get on as early as I can and /w the RL to see if they need a healer. If you’re around I’ll see if I can get you a dps invite, although (to warn you) they usually seem pally-heavy. I think they had six pallies last time, which stinks for me because pallies and priest have to roll for the same tokens. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2010, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1214 "2010-07-16T20:42:44Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > Spoiler for Cataclysm > > Apparently there’s a CSI-style Alliance quest in Cataclysm–Old Blanchy and her human owners have been murdered, and you have to figure out whodunit. You know, that’s actually a sort of _relief_ - given all the horrific things that COULD happen in WoW having Old Blanchy’s fate being something that mundane, sad as it is, is not the worst of all possible outcomes. But still sad - even for someone Horde like me. I mean, she’s an Alliance horse but I never had anything against her personally. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Daedelus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daedelus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2010, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1215 "2010-07-17T05:31:32Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Didn’t win anything though, sadly. ☹ Lost the roll on Trauma and we didn’t get a Paladin Mark of Sanctification. Not sure what the rest of the healers in your raid are running with, but as a favor to a raid healer, please don’t take Trauma over pretty much anyone as a paladin. It can be around 4-6% effective healing for a raid healer, whereas for a tank healer the proc might not even have anyone in range. Obviously, if no one needs it and you could use the spellpower upgrade, that’s fine. Just saying. > [@winterhawk11](#): > > Interesting. It’s always cool to me to see the way other guilds handle the same fight. We do it a little differently–only two tanks, one on each side (sometimes for the alt raid we have a third tank who “floats” and picks up anything that might get loose). Each tank is responsible for the stuff on their own side (front and back), and they pick up aboms, zombies, and mages (the skellies can’t really be tanked so they don’t bother, and the DPS is supposed to handle the Suppressors). Our priority is skellies, suppressors, mages, and then aboms or zombies depending on which is convenient at the time. This works well for us, both on normal and heroic. The zombies don’t really need to be kited–the tanks can handle the explosive damage, and the rest of the team should know not to be standing next to them when they blow :). The only problem we have sometimes is worms (from the aboms) getting loose and killing somebody before the tank can pick them up. If your healers are good then the frostbolts from the mages aren’t a big deal (on normal–but it’s a good idea to get comfortable with interrupting them, because on heroic they drain mana). > [@Jas09](#): > > IME, the problem with tanking the zombies isn’t the explosion (your DPS should know to get away from that) it’s the debuff they put on the tank. They stack a 10% armor reducing debuff every time they hit a target, up to a maximum of 50% (it also ticks for 2.5k every 3 seconds per stack). It lasts for 6 seconds. > > When you add that plus Gut Spray from the Aboms (increases physical damage by 25% for 12 seconds) and then get a bunch of worms hitting on you, and maybe a Lay Waste, well, it’s not too hard to lose a tank. > > However, if you can dispell diseases (or your outside healer can do it for you, and is good at it) then it’s less of an issue - the Gut Spray can be dispelled (the armor debuff can’t, AFAIK). > > We found that having one tank do the aboms and another do the Zombies and Mages worked better. YMMV. Yeah, seeing different guild’s strats is very interesting. We use a 2 tank strat as well, with melee DPS stun-locking and then killing all the Archmages and taking out Suppressors, hunters kiting the Blistering Zombies, everyone getting on the Blazing Skeletons, and Abominations last on our DPS priority unless Rot Worms are out, in which it’s a priority to AOE. We tank everything in the middle, with usually one tank assigned to Aboms, and the other picking up anything else that may be loose. So, similarities and differences. Cool to see. My hard drive failed on me recently, so I wasn’t really able to raid this week (though, I will be in for Heroic LK 25 on Monday). Our guild has decided to put Halion on the back burner until we get Heroic LK down. We can get to P2 fairly consistently, but a lot of mistakes from individuals are making it harder to progress, especially as people start to get demoralized from wiping on the boss for hours at a time. For the raiders out there, how do your guilds cope with the potential for burnout in raiding? Anything in particular that you all do or find works for you personally in helping to combat feeling burnt out? Any tips/suggestions would be helpful, because we’re finally going to make our big push for LK (our MT finally came back after moving to his new home), and I’m afraid some of our members are susceptible. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2010, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1216 "2010-07-17T06:08:59Z")
Burnout: Do something different ingame. Roll different classes, play the AH, work on non-raid achieves, pvp and tear the other side’s face off. That’s what I did – all of the above keep me interested in the game 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2010, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1217 "2010-07-17T06:45:34Z")
> [@Daedelus](#): > > Not sure what the rest of the healers in your raid are running with, but as a favor to a raid healer, please don’t take Trauma over pretty much anyone as a paladin. It can be around 4-6% effective healing for a raid healer, whereas for a tank healer the proc might not even have anyone in range. Obviously, if no one needs it and you could use the spellpower upgrade, that’s fine. Just saying. Fair enough, and it did go to a Druid. I’m still dragging around Seethe, so an upgrade is an upgrade. Though, Seethe and Trauma have equal amounts of Int, so it’s not even that big of an upgrade. Lockjaw from the 10-man is actually better for Holy than Trauma. ETA: Well, Windows 7 is installed. Unfortunately, I botched my backup of WoW. Interface and WTF are safe, but the rest of it is irreparable. I’ll just have to reinstall tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2010, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1218 "2010-07-17T18:23:57Z")
Well, I didn’t get to join the ICC25 raid I was hoping for (they seem to start earlier now) but I did get in a 10-man later on that downed 5 bosses plus the weekly (and I got an Eye of Zul in my reward purse!). So that gave me enough badges to get the T10 [Crimson Acolyte Robe](http://www.wowhead.com/item=50768) which meant I could keep the 4-pc bonus and still replace my gloves with the [Gloves of Ambivalence](http://www.wowhead.com/item=50984) I’ve been carrying around in my bags. I also got the last rep I needed to be exalted with Argent Vanguard, so I got to upgrade to the Exalted ring. So three quick upgrades which is nice. Suddenly now I feel no more pressure to keep doing ICC – I think I just wanted to complete the tier set and get my exalted rep. I’ll still pug ICC25 when I get the chance, but I’m not feeling like somethings missing. My only goal now is to get some of the ICC crafted recipes and get the crafted boots for myself, which will just take money and/or more badges. Which is good, maybe I can finally spend some more time on my pally who has been 73 for quite a while now. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2010, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1219 "2010-07-17T22:14:03Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > ETA: Well, Windows 7 is installed. Unfortunately, I botched my backup of WoW. Interface and WTF are safe, but the rest of it is irreparable. I’ll just have to reinstall tomorrow. Glee. Now that I don’t have to jury-rig a solution for WoW in Linux, it’s running so much better. I’ve been running around in Northrend for about an hour today, and even though I cranked my graphics up my FPS hasn’t dropped below 20 even when flying into Dal. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2010, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1220 "2010-07-18T00:05:25Z")
Okay, so the chick in the Amberpine Lodge transported us to Dalaran and we learned how to use the crystal for transport there, but what were we doing there? There weren’t any yellow exclamation points to be found? Also we’re 74. Thanks Q [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=60) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=62)