# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![Headrush042](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Headrush042](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Headrush042)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1281 "2010-07-20T17:59:54Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > :smack: Oh right. Say, when is Amarynth coming back? 😛 Transferred! ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1282 "2010-07-20T18:08:52Z")
**Angel of the Lord** , I don’t know from 'Locks, but have you checked the Warlock forum on [EJ](http://www.elitistjerks.com)? I know the Warrior forum right now has a great thread with the basics for all three trees (spec, rotation/priority, and stat priorities), and there might be something similar for 'Locks. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1283 "2010-07-20T18:18:52Z")
> [@Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](#): > > What am I doing wrong? Is it just that I suck, or did I build her wrong? Along with seconding **SFG** , I’d say it’s a possibility that the other locks you’re falling behind just have better gear. In particular, tier set bonuses are often a big source of “lost DPS”. I don’t know the relative value of those bonuses for locks, but for some classes it can make a huge difference (up to 500 DPS for particularly powerful ones). Another common culprit is latency. A good cast bar mod that can put up a latency “pre-cast” timer can help with this. It will tell you when you can start a new cast and still have the previous one go off. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1284 "2010-07-20T18:24:48Z")
> [@Headrush042](#): > > Transferred! What?! Transfer back, dammit! We need tanks! ---
**Author:** ![Headrush042](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Headrush042](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Headrush042)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1285 "2010-07-20T18:35:40Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > What?! Transfer back, dammit! We need tanks! I’ll roll another. Leveling is easy 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1286 "2010-07-20T18:40:10Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > What?! Transfer back, dammit! We need tanks! What nights do you guys raid, anyway? I’ve got a reasonably well geared DK tank (this is my second DK, not my ICC25 geared one) that I’m not doing anything with, and I’ve always kind of wanted to go hang with the Doper WoWers, but the tough part is finding time. I suspect your raid nights will probably coincide with my main guild’s. ---
**Author:** ![JayRx1981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71e660/32.png) [@JayRx1981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JayRx1981)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1287 "2010-07-20T18:53:40Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > What nights do you guys raid, anyway? I’ve got a reasonably well geared DK tank (this is my second DK, not my ICC25 geared one) that I’m not doing anything with, and I’ve always kind of wanted to go hang with the Doper WoWers, but the tough part is finding time. I suspect your raid nights will probably coincide with my main guild’s. We only raid as a guild on Monday nights at 9pm server time (10pm EST). And tanking-wise, my bear Druid should be geared enough for ToC possibly as early as next week (if I spend time chaining heroics with him) so that’s an option as well. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1288 "2010-07-20T18:54:12Z")
Maybe not winterhawk – our current raid night is Monday. You don’t see a lot of serious raiding guilds waiting until the end of the week. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1289 "2010-07-20T19:18:41Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Maybe not winterhawk – our current raid night is Monday. You don’t see a lot of serious raiding guilds waiting until the end of the week. Hmm, yeah. Possibly. If nothing else I might be able to fill in some night in a pinch if your regular tanks aren’t available. Let me check and see what kind of gear he has–he might not even be geared as well as I remember, but that wouldn’t be too hard to fix, especially since I’m well acquainted with all the fights as a DK tank. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1290 "2010-07-20T22:48:47Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Zul’Drak is probably going to be the hardest Northrend zone to finish for Loremaster. There just don’t seem to be enough quests! And most of what are left I can’t solo because they involve elites that are way beyond me. I may actually have to start doing randoms just to gear up (I hate grouping dungeons…I’m still mostly in quest blues and greens at 80). Z’D is awful because it’s full of vehicle and “remote control” quests. In order to get around all of those, I ended up at level 80 teaming up with another paladin and doing the arena quests > [@Jas09](#): > > Another common culprit is latency. A good cast bar mod that can put up a latency “pre-cast” timer can help with this. It will tell you when you can start a new cast and still have the previous one go off. Is that what’s going on with the little red bits on IceHUD’s cast bar? Before I started using that, I had already discovered that I didn’t have to wait for one spell to go off before I started casting the next one - I just had to mentally time it right. That seemed to match up later with the red bits on IceHUD’s cast bar, but I’ve noticed that the red bit changes size from one cast to the next. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1291 "2010-07-20T23:14:49Z")
So some time back I was talking about how I liked the look of the [human disguise my draenei mage](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/svelexi_human_disguise.jpg) gets in CoS, and I wondered if it was custom art because I just couldn’t seem to find that face when I went to the character generation screen and tried to make a human toon that looked like that. I tried again, though, and apparently the problem was a combination of [apparently] lower resolution on the character creation screen, lighting, and view angle — on the creation screen, you’re sort of looking “up” at the toon (or at least it feels that way). These things combined to make the face in question hard for me to recognize. [But I finally found it](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/that_face.jpg)! And now I have a human female mage on Argent Dawn, my RP server: [Andraiya](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/andraiya.jpg). I’ve decided she’s going to be a standup comedian. She told her first joke last night: “I was walking around Northshire when this Defias chick came up to me and asked if I was up for some hot girl-on-girl action. So I said, ‘Sure!’ … and fireballed her!” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1292 "2010-07-21T00:37:11Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Is that what’s going on with the little red bits on IceHUD’s cast bar? Before I started using that, I had already discovered that I didn’t have to wait for one spell to go off before I started casting the next one - I just had to mentally time it right. That seemed to match up later with the red bits on IceHUD’s cast bar, but I’ve noticed that the red bit changes size from one cast to the next. Right. It guesses at how long it took the game to register that you cast the spell and times it for you so you can send your next spell at a faster, more efficient rate. Without: ```auto Client-side: [===Spell 1 Cast Time===] [===Spell 2 Cast Time===] Server-side: (Lag)[===Spell 1 Cast Time===] [===Spell 2 Cast Time===] 0s 1s 2s ``` With: ```auto Client-side: [===Spell 1 Cast Time===][===Spell 2 Cast Time===] Server-side: (Lag)[===Spell 1 Cast Time===][===Spell 2 Cast Time===] 0s 1s 2s ``` ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1293 "2010-07-21T00:46:34Z")
What the hell? A queue of 1000+ to get into Cairne? Did they discover gold in our rivers or something? ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1294 "2010-07-21T00:59:36Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > What the hell? A queue of 1000+ to get into Cairne? Did they discover gold in our rivers or something? Probably because a bunch of servers are down for 24-hour maintenance, and the people on those servers have rolled alts on Cairne (and other “up” servers). ---
**Author:** ![JayRx1981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71e660/32.png) [@JayRx1981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JayRx1981)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1295 "2010-07-21T01:03:33Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Probably because a bunch of servers are down for 24-hour maintenance, and the people on those servers have rolled alts on Cairne (and other “up” servers). Also, instead of coming up at 9am PST (Noon EST) today like they were supposed to, they didn’t come back up until 3:30 PST due to authenticator server maintenance. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1296 "2010-07-21T02:19:35Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Probably because a bunch of servers are down for 24-hour maintenance, and the people on those servers have rolled alts on Cairne (and other “up” servers). And now Cairne is marked as “New Players”, so it likely shows up at the top of the list for bored alt-rollers. :mad: Hope I can get on for my ICC10 tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1297 "2010-07-21T05:02:43Z")
… is _horrendous_, though, y’all! Is it that way for anyone else? To illustrate, I ported through to SW from Dal and there was a HUGE diff in motion. Much smoother. I know a lot of that has to do with population, but are there fixes for this? Thanks Q “suffer the slings and arrows”… with circles on the back explainin’ what each one was…" ---
**Author:** ![Headrush042](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Headrush042](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Headrush042)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1298 "2010-07-21T05:40:13Z")
Quasi: Two ways to handle lag in Dalaran – 1) Turn down your graphics settings, or 2) upgrade some hardware. Well, there’s also 3) play during off-peak hours when fewer people are on. ~ So my rogue has gotten pretty lucky the past couple weeks. I _just_ remembered last week that VoA drops Tier gear, which would save me a ton of frost badges should the rogue tier gear drop, so I started looking for pugs after WG battles. Last Monday, I got in VoA 10 and picked up the T10 legs. Enchanted and gemmed them. Tuesday rolls around, and I decide to try VoA 25, and ended up winning the Sanctified T10 legs. And had to enchant and gem those, too. I should’ve waited! Today after logging in, I put myself into the raid browser for both VoA 10/25 and got picked up for a 10-man class run. I get the T10 gloves! Right afterwards, I get into a 25-man and … ended up winning the Sanctified T10 gloves as well, haha. Now I am 3/5 T10 – just 37 more frosties to get the T10 chest (I already have the helmet, and my shoulders are already 264 from ICC25), but if I get a 264/277 chest out of lootship this Saturday, I’ll downgrade the shoulders for just 60 frosts instead for the 4-set bonus and use the remaining frosts on a 264 throwing weapon. My guildies are all wanting me to blow on their dice, now 😃 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1299 "2010-07-21T12:22:03Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > … is _horrendous_, though, y’all! Is it that way for anyone else? > > To illustrate, I ported through to SW from Dal and there was a HUGE diff in motion. Much smoother. > > I know a lot of that has to do with population, but are there fixes for this? Dalaran is like Ironforge used to be back before they put auction houses in all the capital cities. The high population is going to cause lag, unless you use the fixes that **HeadRush** mentioned. Either going into your video settings and turning the graphics down, getting a better video card, more memory or a new computer, or playing at 2AM (on weeknights…weekend hours are even later, probably around 4 or 5). The bright side is that at least you’re not going to be fighting in Dalaran, so lag won’t kill you (unless you’re wandering around down in the Underbelly in that sewer pipe that leads to the outside). ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1300 "2010-07-21T13:09:50Z")
Reminder: Wednesday night classic dungeon run for the BDL tonight. I’d really like to get Magister’s Terrace out of the way so we can but the Burning Crusade behind us. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=66)