# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 74
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1461 "2010-07-26T15:31:31Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Both are true: the Scryers are a splinter _and_ there is content which shows Kael was selling everybody out. Yes, but Kael’thas stabbing everyone in the back happened much later than the Scryers defecting (he didn’t steal the glowy glyphy thing (I swear I can never remember what those things are called) from the Silvermoon paladins until well after BC came out, because I actually remember seeing it down in the basement at one time), so there’s no connection. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1462 "2010-07-26T15:33:26Z")
Screenshot time! [Ensyld, Navy Seal](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/ensyld_seal.jpg) [Ensyld, going for another kind of swim, a la Scrooge McDuck](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/ensyld_gold.jpg) And I swear, no matter how long I’ve been playing this game, I keep finding new things I never noticed before. My night elf hunter, Nouveus, was making his way through Stonetalon, into the Charred Vale, on his way to Desolace, when he noticed what appeared to be a path up into what I’d previously assumed was an inaccessible area. I was already aware of the path from Sun Rock Retreat into the Charred Vale (another fairly recent discovery that made me do a /facepalm when I found it, because my Horde toons had previously been taking the long route from Sun Rock to Charred Vale), but this “path” is to the north. I’ve marked both paths on this “satellite view” - Horde path from Sun Rock Retreat marked in red, and this new “secret” path marked in yellow: [http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/stonetalon\_paths.jpg](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/stonetalon_paths.jpg) And here’s Nouveus’ position on the in-game map: [http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/stonetalon\_map.jpg](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/stonetalon_map.jpg) Anyway, I got some fairly spectacular screenshots while exploring this path, and Nouveus did a bit of “spying” on Sun Rock Retreat: [http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/stonetalon\_01.jpg](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/stonetalon_01.jpg) [http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/stonetalon\_02.jpg](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/stonetalon_02.jpg) [http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/stonetalon\_03.jpg](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/stonetalon_03.jpg) [http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/stonetalon\_04.jpg](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/stonetalon_04.jpg) So I was wondering to myself, “Does the Horde even know this path is here? Seems like the Alliance could just set up shop up here and drop all kinds of bombs on Sun Rock Retreat if they were so inclined.” But I guess the Horde does know, because Nouveus found this up there: [http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/stonetalon\_05.jpg](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/stonetalon_05.jpg) It’s a small campsite, and the crate has a Horde symbol on it. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1463 "2010-07-26T15:35:57Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > (he didn’t steal the glowy glyphy thing (I swear I can never remember what those things are called) “Naaru”. Or “[talking chandelier](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPxDfGLbP4E)” (YouTube link - yes, I’m still pimping “Exodar Disco” cuz it’s so totally awesome 😃 ) ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1464 "2010-07-26T15:35:59Z")
Oh, wow…I never found that one! I knew about the other path that it branches off of, of course, but I’ve never seen either outlet for the sidepath. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1465 "2010-07-26T15:37:02Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > > [@jayjay](#): > > > > (he didn’t steal the glowy glyphy thing (I swear I can never remember what those things are called) > > “Naaru”. Or “[talking chandelier](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPxDfGLbP4E)” (YouTube link - yes, I’m still pimping “Exodar Disco” cuz it’s so totally awesome 😃 ) Thanks…it’s been so long since I’ve been in Shatt that I totally forgot. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1466 "2010-07-26T15:53:34Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Oh, wow…I never found that one! I knew about the other path that it branches off of, of course, but I’ve never seen either outlet for the sidepath. I spotted the west end of the path when I was almost to Charred Vale. If nothing else, it’s will be a nice shortcut to Charred Vale when coming through Stonetalon from the south. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1467 "2010-07-26T16:51:08Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Having rolled several new alts since Blizzard implemented the “no hostile (red name) mobs in starter zones” thing, I’m coming to the conclusion that this new “feature” actually does new toons a disservice. Why? Because you don’t have to kill nearly as many mobs to complete your quests now. There’s nothing to stop you from killing extra mobs, if that’s what you want to do. It just means you don’t \*have \*to kill them unless you \*want \*to. > [@kushiel](#): > > I do miss not being able to skin neutral animals like deer and squirrels. Skinning Critters was the easiest way to get your skinning up to 75. I’d just drag an alt over to Moonglade and go nuts. > [@kushiel](#): > > And I want to be like, yo, where do I sign up to be one of those Blood Elves that are campaigning with Kael, Vashj and Illidan? The game world can only be so rich. It’s hard enough to design a raid like Black Temple or the Sunwell Plateau–could you imagine if they had to design those encounters from _two different sides?_ > [@](#): > > Think about Theramore - it should be an Alliance only city, except for Orcs. But then not all the Orcs follow Thrall, so then it has to be narrowed down to reputation. But then again, I’ve never played an orc, so I don’t even know if there’s an anti-Thrall side rep or all Orcs automatically decide to follow Thrall. No Alliance can get rep with any Horde factions. No Horde can get rep with any Alliance factions. Unless something fundamentally changes about the game, the two factions races will always remain distinct. Basically, it’s for PvP reasons: they want each faction to have very recognizable silhouettes. They want you to look at a character, and instantly see from its race whether it’s a friend or an enemy. They don’t want you thinking, “Well, gee, is that a friendly Orc or a hostile Orc?” > [@Oakminster](#): > > What’s the best plan for gearing up once I hit 80? I’m skittish about heroics. Run regular Wrath dungeons until your comfortable enough to run Heroics. If you’re DPSing, I’d say your minimum should be 1.5k DPS before you start in on Heroics, unless you’ve got a group of friends who are willing to carry you through. Mostly, though, I wouldn’t worry about it–a lot of the people in the group are going to be just running for their daily Frost badges, or gearing up new alts. If you make it clear that you’re a fresh 80 who could use some help, a lot of people should be happy to explain fights. > [@](#): > > I’d like to get something of a hybrid set…one set of gear suitable for pvp or pve, but iirc that wasn’t rally doable at 70. With badges being so easy to obtain, there’s really no point to trying to wear PvP gear for PvE. The two sets of equipment are itemized very differently–the main difference being that PvP dumps a lot of points into Stamina and Resilience that will be useless for you in PvE. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Note to self: after you’ve changed into your PvP gear to do the Flame Leviathan fight, remember to change BACK into your PvE gear for the next boss. I theoretically have a maxiLvl set that I wear for vehicle fights, but my tanking gear is so good right now anyway, I usually don’t bother with it… Also because I have a tendency to forget to switch back. :o > [@Clawdio](#): > > You are now looking at Clawdio the Kingslayer Congratulations! > [@](#): > > I can’t imagine what it must be like for all those people trying to avoid defile in 25 man. Eh, if you scatter on time, it’s not too bad. (Especially if everyone is running a bossmod that has a /say for Defile–i.e., they’ll /\*\*say Defile on me! \*\*or something like that, so you can easily see who to run away from.) The bigger problem tends to be the Valks–with three of them, if people aren’t watching their positioning, it’s possible to split your targets, so that one is going in the opposite direction, which almost always means that someone gets dropped. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1468 "2010-07-26T17:06:18Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > So I was wondering to myself, “Does the Horde even know this path is here? Seems like the Alliance could just set up shop up here and drop all kinds of bombs on Sun Rock Retreat if they were so inclined.” But I guess the Horde does know, because Nouveus found this up there: > > [http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/stonetalon\_05.jpg](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/stonetalon_05.jpg) > > It’s a small campsite, and the crate has a Horde symbol on it. My husband and I always take that road to the Charred Vale, so some of us do. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1469 "2010-07-26T18:30:16Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > There’s nothing to stop you from killing extra mobs, if that’s what you want to do. It just means you don’t \*have \*to kill them unless you \*want \*to. Well you and I know that. A new player might not realize, though, that they can/should keep killing mobs and hoping for a suitable drop. Of course, I personally get really bored grinding mobs when I don’t have a quest to do so. > [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > > > So I was wondering to myself, “Does the Horde even know this path is here? Seems like the Alliance could just set up shop up here and drop all kinds of bombs on Sun Rock Retreat if they were so inclined.” But I guess the Horde does know, because Nouveus found this up there: > > > > [http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/stonetalon\_05.jpg](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/stonetalon_05.jpg) > > > > It’s a small campsite, and the crate has a Horde symbol on it. > > My husband and I always take that road to the Charred Vale, so some of us do. 😛 But … but … that route would be _longer_ for Horde! ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1470 "2010-07-26T18:39:26Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > A new player might not realize, though, that they can/should keep killing mobs and hoping for a suitable drop. TBQH, I disagree with that assessment, anyway. There’s nothing that seriously wrong with a lowbie running around in a few pieces of gray or white armor–it’ll get replaced eventually. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1471 "2010-07-26T19:08:41Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > But … but … that route would be _longer_ for Horde! Hmm, looking at the screenshots, I might be mentally transposing the pond with another spot in Sun Rock. We take the other-other path, if that’s the pond near the top of the shots. (Crummy monitor at work; I can’t tell.) You’ve also found the path to Malaka’jin (tiny troll village), I assume? ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1472 "2010-07-26T20:57:05Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > > > But … but … that route would be _longer_ for Horde! > > Hmm, looking at the screenshots, I might be mentally transposing the pond with another spot in Sun Rock. We take the other-other path, if that’s the pond near the top of the shots. (Crummy monitor at work; I can’t tell.) The red one is the path that leads directly from Sun Rock Retreat into the Charred Vale proper. The path I found is the one marked in yellow - you find it by traveling further north up the Webwinder path, and the other end empties out onto the path leading into Charred Vale. So Alliance can easily use that path, where they can’t easily use the “red” path from Sun Rock Retreat. > [@](#): > > You’ve also found the path to Malaka’jin (tiny troll village), I assume? Oh yes, I have several Horde toons as well 😃 Pet question for more experienced hunters: I read something a while back (don’t remember where, dangit) that said I should tame as many different kinds of pets as possible so that I can learn all the different abilities. This confused me quite a bit, because the way the article was written was kind of unclear. It made it sound as if my pets teach _me_ new skills/abilities. That didn’t make any sense to me, because I’ve never noticed my hunters gaining _any_ new abilities from their pets. Could somebody clarify this? I’m suspecting what it _meant_ was that if I tame one specific, say, Tenacity pet, that has a unique special ability, then future Tenacity pets I might tame will also gain that ability. But that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense either - My troll hunter had a turtle pet for a while, and I haven’t noticed his new gorilla pet gaining the turtle’s “forcefield” effect when his HPs get low. I’m clearly not getting something here. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1473 "2010-07-26T21:00:51Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Pet question for more experienced hunters: > > I read something a while back (don’t remember where, dangit) that said I should tame as many different kinds of pets as possible so that I can learn all the different abilities. This confused me quite a bit, because the way the article was written was kind of unclear. It made it sound as if my pets teach _me_ new skills/abilities. That didn’t make any sense to me, because I’ve never noticed my hunters gaining _any_ new abilities from their pets. I’m pretty sure this is old advice and the pet skills/abilities system has been changed since then. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1474 "2010-07-26T21:05:26Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Pet question for more experienced hunters: > > I read something a while back (don’t remember where, dangit) that said I should tame as many different kinds of pets as possible so that I can learn all the different abilities. Yep. Very outdated – you don’t need to worry about that now. Pet families have been normalized so that all tenacity/ferocity/cunning pets have pretty much the same abilities + a special. Your turtle’s forcefield would be a tenacity special, frex. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1475 "2010-07-26T21:05:44Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I’m clearly not getting something here. Tom is right, that’s a pretty old hunter mechanic where you would have to learn a skill from an acquired pet to teach it to a new pet. Nowaday you don’t have to worry about it. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1476 "2010-07-26T21:05:45Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I read something a while back (don’t remember where, dangit) that said I should tame as many different kinds of pets as possible so that I can learn all the different abilities. It’s an old class mechanic. Things haven’t worked that way for quite some time now. ETA: Man, I got, like, _triple_-sniped. ---
**Author:** ![aktep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f0a364/32.png) [@aktep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aktep)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1477 "2010-07-26T21:06:09Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Pet question for more experienced hunters: > > I read something a while back (don’t remember where, dangit) that said I should tame as many different kinds of pets as possible so that I can learn all the different abilities. This confused me quite a bit, because the way the article was written was kind of unclear. It made it sound as if my pets teach _me_ new skills/abilities. That didn’t make any sense to me, because I’ve never noticed my hunters gaining _any_ new abilities from their pets. > > Could somebody clarify this? I’m suspecting what it _meant_ was that if I tame one specific, say, Tenacity pet, that has a unique special ability, then future Tenacity pets I might tame will also gain that ability. But that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense either - My troll hunter had a turtle pet for a while, and I haven’t noticed his new gorilla pet gaining the turtle’s “forcefield” effect when his HPs get low. > > I’m clearly not getting something here. Way back when, you would learn pet skills from your pets and then teach them to other pets, so you would have the pet you liked, then go tame a different pet to learn its skills, then dump it and teach the skills to your pet, all while not getting auto-level to 5 levels below your level, and having pet happiness and loyalty actually having some meaning. One of the 3.X pre-wrath patches got rid of all that and gave us the pet structure we have today, where there’s 3 “classes” of pet, and each pet breed has a special attack or two they know automatically. ---
**Author:** ![aktep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f0a364/32.png) [@aktep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aktep)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1478 "2010-07-26T21:10:14Z")
Boy it’s a shame how no one answers questions around here, huh, **Mister Rik**? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![hdc\_bst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9f8e36/32.png) [@hdc\_bst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hdc_bst)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1479 "2010-07-26T21:12:38Z")
Well, I’m thoroughly enjoying my hunter, Makig (go BDL!). Things have really picked up a lot in Outland - imagine, quest rewards that are actually useful. Also - why did nobody tell me how awesome dual-spec is? 🙂 I can run around burning down normal monsters non-stop with my survival build, then switch over to my max-survivability beast master build for elite quests. I love this unstoppable feeling. In a few more levels I’ll be off to Northrend, can’t wait to check it out. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1480 "2010-07-26T21:19:17Z")
Well I was feeling cocky on my holy pally yesterday after having cut through scores of soldiers in Heathglen without problem, so I decided I could take on Abbendo or whatever his name is. Turns out, not so much: dude has a _lot_ of hit points and hits _hard_. I got him down to about 70% but when I run out of mana, it’s game over. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=73) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=75)