# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 79
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1561 "2010-07-29T16:40:37Z")
> [@FlightlessBird](#): > > [Guide to Emblems](http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100205183919/wowwiki/images/d/d3/Emblems.png) > [and their history if you are interested](http://www.wowwiki.com/File:Emblems.png) Great links. Thanks. New question: How important is hit rating? What is a good target figure for it? At the moment, I look at spell power (1358 currently) as my most important stat. Beyond that, I like crit chance and haste (17.56% and 155 respectively, at the moment.). Mana regen is 128, which can be a little tricky on long fights. My hit rating is only 69. I get the idea that is kinda low, but I don’t really miss very often, so… ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1562 "2010-07-29T16:50:43Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > > [@FlightlessBird](#): > > > > [Guide to Emblems](http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100205183919/wowwiki/images/d/d3/Emblems.png) > > [and their history if you are interested](http://www.wowwiki.com/File:Emblems.png) > > Great links. Thanks. > > New question: How important is hit rating? What is a good target figure for it? > > At the moment, I look at spell power (1358 currently) as my most important stat. Beyond that, I like crit chance and haste (17.56% and 155 respectively, at the moment.). Mana regen is 128, which can be a little tricky on long fights. My hit rating is only 69. I get the idea that is kinda low, but I don’t really miss very often, so… Sorry, I’ve forgotten what class you are. If you’re a caster DPS, your hit cap is 17% for raid bosses, which is somewhere north of 400 (I forget the exact number–446, I think). Depending on your class you almost certainly have things that will drop that number down. On heroics it doesn’t need to be that high. Your fellow party members might have talents that will drop that too–for example, a shadow priest or moonkin druid will drop it 3%, and if you’re Alliance, a Dranei in the party will drop it another 1%. Prior to 80 you don’t need to worry much about it. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1563 "2010-07-29T16:51:47Z")
Hit rating is, supposedly, the most important stat up until you get it “capped”, at which point any more becomes useless. I am taking the word of people who have fancy equations and seem to know what’s what. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1564 "2010-07-29T16:56:52Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > Sorry, I’ve forgotten what class you are. If you’re a caster DPS, your hit cap is 17% for raid bosses, which is somewhere north of 400 (I forget the exact number–446, I think). Depending on your class you almost certainly have things that will drop that number down. Just note that the hit rating on your “character sheet” (hit C in default key settings) does not display any bonuses you get from your talents, only from your gear. So if you have a talent that gives you, say, +3% hit, remember that part and only go up to 14% hit from gear as displayed on the character sheet. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1565 "2010-07-29T16:59:56Z")
Hmmm. Well, an 80 mage with only 69 hit rating has some work to do, then. It seems that hit rating is a lot more important to the PVE stuff. PVPers are more into crit chance, last I heard. It’s looking more and more like I’m going to have to maintain two sets of gear. That’s annoying…and expensive. Oh well, it gives me something to work towards. PVP gear is easy to get. Just hafta grind out the BGs, and with the random BG finder bonus honor, it adds up pretty quickly. On edit, checking my Armory, I see my hit percentage is a dismal 2.63% from gear at the moment. Not sure if I get any bonus from talents, or not. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1566 "2010-07-29T17:12:00Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Hmmm. Well, an 80 mage with only 69 hit rating has some work to do, then. It seems that hit rating is a lot more important to the PVE stuff. PVPers are more into crit chance, last I heard. As a mage, your hit requirement will vary based on your spec. Arcane mages get 6% Hit from their talents, so you only need to go to 11%. Fire and Frost either have 3% from talents (if they take Precision) or 0 (if they don’t). So Fire and Frost both require significantly more Hit rating than Arcane does. There’s a 264 trinket you can buy that has a ton of Hit on it (it’s not a great trinket per se, but if you need a lot of hit in a hurry it’s something to consider). There’s also a good hit trinket that drops in Naxx (where you should overgear the place enough that your current lack of hit shouldn’t be a huge detriment). Remember that ilevel on trinkets is somewhat irrelevant–in some cases, the best in slot trinket is an ilevel much lower than the current gear max. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1567 "2010-07-29T17:20:09Z")
PvP mages gear SP and haste. 69 isn’t enough for PvP, you need a little more. ---
**Author:** ![what\_do\_I\_type\_here](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a5b964/32.png) [@what\_do\_I\_type\_here](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/what_do_I_type_here)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1568 "2010-07-29T17:28:25Z")
I’d like to ask you guys for some Warrior weapon advice. I have this axe: > **[WotLK Classic News and Guides](https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk)** > > The largest Wrath of the Lich King Classic site, featuring detailed guides, news, and information including class guides, profession guides, Best in Slot guides, a quest database, talent calculator, and more. This sword: > **[WotLK Classic News and Guides](https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk)** > > The largest Wrath of the Lich King Classic site, featuring detailed guides, news, and information including class guides, profession guides, Best in Slot guides, a quest database, talent calculator, and more. This dagger: > **[WotLK Classic News and Guides](https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk)** > > The largest Wrath of the Lich King Classic site, featuring detailed guides, news, and information including class guides, profession guides, Best in Slot guides, a quest database, talent calculator, and more. I’m a 32 warrior. I should be using the axe, right? Or should I be dual wielding? ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1569 "2010-07-29T17:30:27Z")
> [@what\_do\_I\_type\_here](#): > > I’d like to ask you guys for some Warrior weapon advice. > > I have this axe: > [WotLK Classic News and Guides](http://thottbot.com/i6687) > > This sword: > [WotLK Classic News and Guides](http://thottbot.com/i20430) > > This dagger: > [WotLK Classic News and Guides](http://thottbot.com/i6448) > > I’m a 32 warrior. I should be using the axe, right? Or should I be dual wielding? I would say definitely the axe. I don’t know what level warriors get dual wielding for 2 handers, but I don’t think it’s that low, right? ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1570 "2010-07-29T17:43:10Z")
Level 32 warriors should use the whirlwind axe from the level 30 quest. Use the Corpsemaker to do the quest, then switch. Whirlwind is the best for a while, so put something nice on it, like Savagery or Crusader. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1571 "2010-07-29T17:44:02Z")
Woohoo! Finished up the very fun grind, and now Jabloo has his Venomhide Ravasaur mount! Here’s a shot of Jabloo with his lizard friends, getting ready to head out for the final round of hatchling feeding: [http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/jabloos\_dinos.jpg](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/jabloos_dinos.jpg) That’s Sobloo the devilsaur, and Zabloo the venomhide ravasaur hatchling. And here’s little Zabloo, all grown up and ready to ride: [http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/jabloo\_venomhide.jpg](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/jabloo_venomhide.jpg) Like I said, the grind was fun. Unlike the Alliance-side Winterspring Frostsaber grind. My Alliance main did that grinding quest maybe twice before I said, “Um, no.” > [@martu](#): > > > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > > > Holy crap, my troll hunter just dinged lvl 64 and hit up the trainer … and gets absolutely _nothing_? WTF? > > Is this that odd? I know my Pally only had new spells every other level for a fair chunk of levelling, in fact I’m in the habit on all my toons to only get spells every even level now because of it. I’d just never had a toon get to a training level and have nothing at all to learn. > [@kushiel](#): > > You know the Murloc toy you can buy in stores that makes noises? > > People chase me around the store with those because I bloody hate the sound of murlocs. It’s worse than ‘NO TAKE CANDLE’. I think the most irritating mob sound in the whole game is actually troggs. The murloc noise sounds like a ferocious battle cry compared to that pathetic, whiny noise troggs make. I’ve noticed the snobolds in NR must be a bit smarter than the old world kobolds. When you’re doing that “Gormok Wants His Snobolds” daily for the Argent Tournament, they say, “You no take … me!” > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > It’s weird - all of the really memorable lowbie stuff that people share (“you no take candle!” “Mmmrgrgrgrgrgllll!” Hogger) are from the Alliance side; can’t really think of anything comparable on the Horde side. Quilboars make a rather annoying sound 😃 > [@FlightlessBird](#): > > I went with triumph gear before starting in on frost. You’re going to have a bunch of triumphs from running heroics and you only need 100 before you can get a 2set bonus. (Hands and Shoulder tier pieces are 50). Correction: T9 gear costs **30** Triumphs for hands and shoulders, 50 for each of the other pieces. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1572 "2010-07-29T17:56:48Z")
> [@Mithrander](#): > > So, assuming I could run 2 heroics a week, it would talke me to spring of next year to get a full set of badge gear. If you can find a tank to tag along with, you can probably run between one and four Heroics _per hour_. More than that, if you luck out and get one or more in-progress runs. The biggest time suck for DPS (and, to a lesser extent, healers) is just sitting in queue. If you find a tank, that takes your queue time to five seconds or less. > [@](#): > > It’s probably a bit off, since I’d be getting frost badges for the first random heroic, My four-to-seven-badges per run total included the bonus badges: which are Frost for your first run of the day and Triumph for every run after that. > [@jayjay](#): > > There are exactly 2 quests I can find that I haven’t done, and both are started by rare drops (Ship Schedules and Williken’s Journal). I’ve been killing pirates and ravasaurs for two days now with nothing to show for it. Are you sure you aren’t further down those chains? It’s possible you got the items while leveling, started the quests, and then abandoned them partway. > [@martu](#): > > Is this that odd? I know my Pally only had new spells every other level for a fair chunk of levelling, in fact I’m in the habit on all my toons to only get spells every even level now because of it. You get new spells/abilities or new ranks of them on the even levels from 1 to 60. Because some of these are new ranks of Talents, it’s possible to hit a level where you have nothing new to learn. After 60, there are new things to train at every level. > [@jayjay](#): > > The sad thing about that is that all the pets get shrunk once they’re tamed. Of course, a full-size devilsaur is going to be problematic in some places. The Devilsaurs still stay relatively big for a Hunter pet, though. (Look at one next to a Raptor some time.) > [@kushiel](#): > > You know the Murloc toy you can buy in stores that makes noises? > > People chase me around the store with those because I bloody hate the sound of murlocs. It’s worse than ‘NO TAKE CANDLE’. Oh, that’s just _cruel_. > [@winterhawk11](#): > > Before I got my Murkimus, I used to go to the place where the Murky dealer was just so I could repeatedly click on him and make him burble. Hahahahaaaaaaaaa, I’m so glad I’m not the only person who did that. (And grats on the beta key!) > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > It’s weird - all of the really memorable lowbie stuff that people share (“you no take candle!” “Mmmrgrgrgrgrgllll!” Hogger) are from the Alliance side; can’t really think of anything comparable on the Horde side. Mankrik’s wife? > [@Oakminster](#): > > The healer asked me for water, so I gave him some instead of fighting during the non-stop sprint to the first boss. El-booto for me. On my Mage, I always create a table (Ritual of Refreshment) at the entrance when we first buff. > [@](#): > > On most heroics, my main tactic is to cast Blizzard (AOE) on whatever the tank has pulled, until there’s only a mob or two left, then switch to single target spells. FWIW, Blizzard is only worthwhile on three or more targets. > [@](#): > > For bosses, obviously, it’s mostly single-target stuff and that’s where my DPS suffers a bit. What’s your spec? > [@](#): > > I have something like 4 frost emblems, and a bunch of Emblems of Triumph. Not real sure what to do with those. I guess save them for some of the PVE gear, around item level 230+? Frost: Save them for Frost badge gear, or use them to buy Primordial Saronite, which you can then sell to finance BOE gear. You can trade them down, but I wouldn’t recommend it. Triumph: Exchange them for T9 and ilvl 245 badge gear. Frost \> Triumph \> Conqueror’s (I think? Something with “C”) \> Valor \> Honor Only the first two can be obtained anymore; the rest are from previous tiers of content. Any badge can be downgraded to the previous tier. To downgrade multiple badges at once, shift-click on the badge in the vendor’s inventory, then enter the amount you wish to convert. I strongly advise that you exhaust all possible upgrades from a given tier of badges before downgrading to the next level. > [@Oakminster](#): > > I’ve actually sorta gimped myself temporarily. I have the stoneshaper marks (something like that) to get more stuff, or enchant my new shoulders, but I’m saving them for the war mammoth first. Stonekeeper’s Shards can only be swapped for PvP gear and enchants, so you’re not missing out on a \*whole \*lot for PvE. > [@](#): > > Equally disgusting, but more personal, is a damn cheapshotting druid named Deathreach. The guy will hide on the roof and oneshot people trying to buy stuff from the WG vendors. Shrug. It’s a PvP problem with a PvP solution–get some other people together to fly up to where he’s sitting and kick his ass. > [@Oakminster](#): > > How important is hit rating? What is a good target figure for it? Hit is _the single most important statistic for any DPS class_, up to the cap for their particular spec. Point for point, you will get more DPS out of Hit than any other statistic, until you get enough of it that you your special attacks no longer miss. Melee hit needs to be 8% to avoid missing a raid boss (level 83). Caster hit needs to be 17%. This excludes any talents. As a Mage, there are two talents that affect your hit. One is in the Frost tree (I think it’s called Precision) and it gives you an extra 3% chance to hit with all spells, so that lowers your requirement to 14% if you take it. If you’re an Arcane Mage, there’s a talent in that tree that gives you several more percent, but only for Arcane spells, so it will only be useful if you spec primarily into that tree. For PvE, after your Hit reaches the cap, IIRC you should focus on Spellpower. Unless you’re trying to activate a meta gem (you should use the SP/increased crit damage one), or there’s a really good socket bonus you’re trying to activate,\* you should gem for straight Spellpower. When you need to go with hybrid gems to activate metas or sockets, other okay stats are Haste, Crit, and Spirit. \*This will almost never be the case, unless you’re using Rare gems instead of Epic ones. The only time it might be worthwhile is with a huge Spellpower bonus, and you can usually fill that socket while you’re activating your helm’s meta gem. It’s been a while since I looked up all this info. You may want to check the Mage column on [WoW Insider](http://www.wow.com) and the Mage forum on [Elitist Jerks](http://www.elitistjerks.com) for more details as to specs, stats, and rotations, as well as to verify that I’m actually giving you accurate info for the current patch. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1573 "2010-07-29T18:00:08Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > It’s weird - all of the really memorable lowbie stuff that people share (“you no take candle!” “Mmmrgrgrgrgrgllll!” Hogger) are from the Alliance side; can’t really think of anything comparable on the Horde side. “Where is Mankrik’s wife?!?!?” (and Barrens chat in general) might count. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1574 "2010-07-29T18:06:32Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > You know the Murloc toy you can buy in stores that makes noises? > > People chase me around the store with those because I bloody hate the sound of murlocs. It’s worse than ‘NO TAKE CANDLE’. … You can buy a murloc toy in the Dalaran toy store?! OMG. I am so logging in just to get this tonight. I know I’ve told this story before, but what the heck - I was helping an outside company’s tech fix and calibrate a piece of equipment in our department at the medical center. My part of it involved sitting in near-total darkness for 20 minutes to dark-adapt my eyes, so she could have a test subject for the machine to examine. She said she’d sit in there with me for the process; it helps to have someone to talk to so you don’t fall asleep. So we were politely chatting about work-related stuff, when I heard a murloc. This bothered me, for obvious reasons. Then I heard her fumbling for something, and again, a murloc sound. Apparently this was her cell phone’s text message alert. I said, “… a murloc?” There was a pause from her, and then, “No one’s ever recognized that before.” Another pause. “OK, let’s do this - what server, what side?” Turns out she was Alliance and not my server, but we had a great conversation. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1575 "2010-07-29T18:09:50Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > > > It’s weird - all of the really memorable lowbie stuff that people share (“you no take candle!” “Mmmrgrgrgrgrgllll!” Hogger) are from the Alliance side; can’t really think of anything comparable on the Horde side. > > “Where is Mankrik’s wife?!?!?” (and Barrens chat in general) might count. It’s been awhile (I think this got mentioned way back in the bowels of the previous WoW mega-thread), so I’m going to take this opportunity to recommend [“You Awaken in Razor Hill,”](http://thelittlestmurloc.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4&Itemid=17) an absolutely hilarious multi-part epic written by a guy named Dusk (and yes, it is relevant to the topic at hand). If you have not read this yet and you love WoW, do it. Do it now. You will hurt yourself laughing. And once you read it, take a look at [this screenshot](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/Kayoss/518.jpg) from Cataclysm beta. This is made of win. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1576 "2010-07-29T18:11:32Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > > [@kushiel](#): > > > > You know the Murloc toy you can buy in stores that makes noises? > > > > People chase me around the store with those because I bloody hate the sound of murlocs. It’s worse than ‘NO TAKE CANDLE’. > > … > > You can buy a murloc toy in the Dalaran toy store?! OMG. I am so logging in just to get this tonight. No, I don’t think you can. But you _can_ buy a real [murloc toy](http://www.jinx.com/world_of_warcraft/other/talking_murloc_plush_toy.html?catid=1). I have one myself. You squeeze its lower jaw and it "MMMMRRRGGLLL"s at you. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1577 "2010-07-29T18:15:31Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > No, I don’t think you can. But you _can_ buy a real [murloc toy](http://www.jinx.com/world_of_warcraft/other/talking_murloc_plush_toy.html?catid=1). I have one myself. You squeeze its lower jaw and it "MMMMRRRGGLLL"s at you. :eek: Decisions, decisions… would this freak the rabbits out too much? Hmm… ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1578 "2010-07-29T18:17:42Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Are you sure you aren’t further down those chains? It’s possible you got the items while leveling, started the quests, and then abandoned them partway. Yep. I have QuestHistory (since well before my DK even thought of doing old world quests) and neither one is on it as either incomplete or complete, so I haven’t run across the start items yet at all. Now, I DID do that with the Scholomance key quest on my Alliance DK and spent about two days trying to figure out why I didn’t have the key AND couldn’t get the quest for it from the alchemist at the Argent Dawn Alli camp in WPL. Turns out I had given the mold parts to the goblin in Gadgetzan but never picked them back up from him… ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1579 "2010-07-29T18:20:31Z")
Here’s my armory: [Kahbueme](http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Elune&cn=Kahbueme) Lately, I’m staying to the arcane/fire spec. I like playing around with the frost spec, but it just doesn’t seem to put out the same damage, and for PVP it doesn’t have the extra instant I get with Arcane Barrage. I’m thinking about trying an arcane/frost alternate build. I’d give up the PoM/Pyro combo that is so near and dear to my Gnomish heart, but I could go PoM/Arcane Blast or PoM/Frostfire Bolt instead, pick up precision for that 3% hit, + the 6% from arcane talents…that would make me semi-respectable and improving as I gear up… On the table before dungeon thing–I don’t mind doing that, but in the ones I do, nobody is waiting for much of anything. We enter the instance, the tank pulls something, and we might slow down after the first boss. I think I’ve been lucky about hitting groups with people that greatly outgear heroic content. They treat it about the way I’d go through Deadmines. Grouped with a rogue that was cranking out 5K dps average, even when he’d take a fight off to make banadages or whatever else he was doing. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1580 "2010-07-29T18:47:35Z")
> [@](#): > > The Devilsaurs still stay relatively big for a Hunter pet, though. (Look at one next to a Raptor some time.) Yah, Sobloo is still taller than my troll. > [@](#): > > On my Mage, I always create a table (Ritual of Refreshment) at the entrance when we first buff. I do that on my mage as well. And on my paladin, I always drop a Fish Feast. Why? _So everybody will stand the hell still so I can “Kings” everybody!_ There are invariably one or two in a group who take off the instant everybody zones in, and I can’t Kings them because they’ve run out of range before I can even click on their portrait. Dropping a Fish Feast brings then running right back. (This actually makes me wonder how many people out there simply don’t carry their own buff food. Despite providing Fish Feasts to her random groups, my paladin never eats them herself - she eats her Dragonfin Filet.) > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > On most heroics, my main tactic is to cast Blizzard (AOE) on whatever the tank has pulled, until there’s only a mob or two left, then switch to single target spells. > > FWIW, Blizzard is only worthwhile on three or more targets. As a Fire mage, I cast Flame Strike first, to get the benefit of its DoT, then cast Blizzard while FS’s DoT does its work. I’ve found it’s worthwhile to alternate between the two spells until everything falls over, or the group gets down to 1 or 2 targets, then I single-target them with Frostfire Bolt. > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Equally disgusting, but more personal, is a damn cheapshotting druid named Deathreach. The guy will hide on the roof and oneshot people trying to buy stuff from the WG vendors. > > Shrug. It’s a PvP problem with a PvP solution–get some other people together to fly up to where he’s sitting and kick his ass. On Lightbringer, we had a Horde mage who was somehow getting inside WG Fortress while the Alliance controlled it, and then somehow getting up on the stone ring above the central platform. That allowed him to sit up there and snipe people as they teleported into the room or came out through the portal from VoA. Nobody expects to be attacked in there, especially when the big main door is closed, so he was able to keep killing people while they were still going, “WTF is going on?” and trying to figure out where the attacks were coming from. Alliance melee couldn’t get up there where he was to attack him, and all he had to do to avoid casters was change his position slightly to remove line-of-sight. _That_ got reported, mainly because he had clearly used some kind of exploit to get up there. And I can’t believe I forgot to mention it earlier, but I ran into a bit of extreme coolness last night while playing my (now-level-18) dwarf warrior. She was in SW, and a naked female dwarf came up and whispered, “Free gold - I’m quitting.” This other dwarf then handed me 450 gold! And I have to say that Ensyld is [looking mighty cute in her War Paint mail](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/ensyld_warpaint.jpg)"set" 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=78) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=80)