# New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480 "2010-06-09T00:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 84
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1661 "2010-08-02T19:02:49Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Hey, I think I’ve finally figured this out - I’ll bet all that “of the Gorilla” gear (+STR, +INT) was supposed to be pally gear in vanilla, amiright? Yeah, that combo would have been great for Ret Paladins (and Prot, to a lesser extent). Of course, I think they do combos for every pair of major stats, regardless of how useful they are together… > [@Bosstone](#): > > Agility, stamina, strength. Roughly in that order. If you’re specifically going bear, swap stam and agility. As a cat Feral, you should only worry about Stamina for soloing. And even then, I’d still rank Strength higher than Stam. > [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Dodge is decent, but last I looked into it, Agi is better. The reason that Agi is better than Dodge, IIRC, is that it also gives you Armor. At least it does for Warriors. (The DR on the Dodge it gives you might be different, too.) > [@Shin\_Kell](#): > > Had a rough time starting the run with 3 wipes on Marrowgar, my offtank insisted on standing underneath Marrowgar and pulled aggro from me a few times, and of course the boss cleaved the raid. The OT(s) should be stacked on the tank–have you tried putting a mark on your head so that the OT can keep track of where you are more easily? Also, if the OT keeps out-threatting you… depending on their HP/Armor, have you considered having them be the MT for this encounter? (Not that they shouldn’t be watching their threat meter, but.) > [@](#): > > Our ICC10 group is getting better at the LK fight, last week our best attempt was 31%. Pretty sure we could have killed him if we had explained phase 3 better to everyone, but we have our strategy down this time so hopefully Tuesday will be the day we kill him. Grats! I find one of the most helpful things for Ph3 is to remind people that _it’s not a DPS race_. Once you make it past that second transition phase, you’re home free as long as nobody panics. Slow and steady wins the race at that point–you want to be paying attention to the Vile Spirits so that you don’t get instagibbed in your excitement to burn the LK down. ---
**Author:** ![aktep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f0a364/32.png) [@aktep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aktep)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1662 "2010-08-02T19:39:22Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > I tried out Silverdragon this weekend, and I gotta say, I’m liking it. Unfortunately I decided to load the data while hovering over the village of the vrykul (?) in Storm Peaks. Got a ping on Skoll, and spent the next 10 minutes flying around trying to find him without any luck. Nuts, said I. NUTS. I’m not particularly into spirit beasts, but I will admit that I would not have sneezed at Skoll were I to trip over him… OH WAIT. Since you can now apply raid targets while solo, what I do when SilverDragon pings on a mob is target it and apply a raid target like the star or diamond that will stand out. It’s still a few minutes of spinning about madly trying to find it, but it sure helps. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1663 "2010-08-02T19:51:13Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Not just possible–I’d say that’s \*typical \*for a ICC25-HM group. The guild I’m in right now \*requires \*10k DPS \*minimum \*from any potential applicants. I was over 10k DPS myself on Saurfang last week (with only a teeny bit of Whirlwind spillover on the adds), and Fury is my offspec. Yeah, I’m having one of those come-to-Jesus moments. I’m feeling a LOT more comfortable in 10-man Normal ICC, where I belong. It’s still a shock, as a first-time raider, seeing just how good the raid gear is compared to 5-man heroic stuff–I came from FFXI where you raided endlessly for a 5% chance at a weapon that maybe had 5-10dps more than the best trash drop, and a +1 damage-per-swing (not per second, per swing!) was worth a 10x or more increase in price over the base item. This guild has an A-team and a B-team, just happened to suck up a warm body slot in an A-team run. Realistically I’m getting my foot in the door for a raiding guild for Cataclysm. Especially since I pulled some “trash” drops of gear that no one else wanted that were light-years ahead of my current set. Almost have the “epic” achievement now, as soon as I get a wrist and belt and some trinkets. Between that, reading ElitistJerks more often, and tweaking my rotation and glyphs, I’ve added about 1000-1500dps in the past week. …I have my Explorer title, at least, which tells you what I spent most of my time on. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1664 "2010-08-02T19:53:31Z")
> [@aktep](#): > > > [@lizardling](#): > > > > I tried out Silverdragon this weekend, and I gotta say, I’m liking it. Unfortunately I decided to load the data while hovering over the village of the vrykul (?) in Storm Peaks. Got a ping on Skoll, and spent the next 10 minutes flying around trying to find him without any luck. Nuts, said I. NUTS. I’m not particularly into spirit beasts, but I will admit that I would not have sneezed at Skoll were I to trip over him… OH WAIT. > > Since you can now apply raid targets while solo, what I do when SilverDragon pings on a mob is target it and apply a raid target like the star or diamond that will stand out. It’s still a few minutes of spinning about madly trying to find it, but it sure helps. Ooo. I’ll have to try that! Part of it was that his target disappeared so he must have been at extreme range to boot. The next day, I tripped over Scarlet Lord Whoozit, and tried using a focusing lens to find him, which was successful. Had to land though, can’t do that while flying. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1665 "2010-08-02T20:16:11Z")
> [@aktep](#): > > Since you can now apply raid targets while solo, what I do when SilverDragon pings on a mob is target it and apply a raid target like the star or diamond that will stand out. It’s still a few minutes of spinning about madly trying to find it, but it sure helps. Wait, what? Since when? That’s awesome! Personally, I carry a Focusing Lens around for occasions like this (although, as noted, you can’t use them while mounted). I’d think icon + lens would = uberwin. > [@Zeriel](#): > > It’s still a shock, as a first-time raider, seeing just how good the raid gear is compared to 5-man heroic stuff Well, you’re also looking at the last tier of raid gear for this expansion. On paper, we’ve had four tiers since five-man content: Naxx, Ulduar, ToC, and ICC. But because of the 10/25 and regular/Heroic splits, we’ve really had much more than that. If you assume that a tier is about 13 ilvls, going from the WotLK-launch five-mans to Heroic ICC25 will jump you up \*almost six tiers \*(277 minus 200, divided by 13). That’s a hell of a difference. Going to Naxx10 or 25 gear from Heroic gear would be a much smaller boost–and if you were wearing gear from ToC5 or any of the ICC five-mans, it could even be a step down. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1666 "2010-08-02T20:19:36Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Going to Naxx10 or 25 gear from Heroic gear would be a much smaller boost–and if you were wearing gear from ToC5 or any of the ICC five-mans, it could even be a step down. The ICC five mans are equivalent to ToC-10; very little through Uld-25 is worth even looking at. Maybe some trinkets or boots or something. (The ICC-5 heroic tanking trinket is teh suck). ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1667 "2010-08-02T20:26:29Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > The ICC five mans are equivalent to ToC-10; very little through Uld-25 is worth even looking at. Maybe some trinkets or boots or something. (The ICC-5 heroic tanking trinket is teh suck). Yeah, that’s mostly it. Original WotLK Heroic dungeons have 200 epics off the end bosses (Naxx10); H-ToC5 has 219s (Uld10); and the ICC five-mans have 232s (ToC10). There might be some good weapons, too, especially off things like hardmodes. The point was just that part of the reason that gear from H-ICC25 is \*soooo \*amazing compared to five-man gear is that there’s such a huge gap in ilvl between the original Wrath dungeons and the final tier of Heroic raid gear. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1668 "2010-08-02T20:33:28Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Personally, I carry a Focusing Lens around for occasions like this (although, as noted, you can’t use them while mounted). I’d think icon + lens would = uberwin. I picked up a Focusing Lens on your (I think) suggestion a while back, after repeatedly being unable to find Putridus in Icecrown after he triggered SilverDragon something like six times in one week (it was a week my server kept going down and up and down and up, and every time they rebooted it, the rare spawn timers got reset). The problem I ran into with the Focusing Lens was that its range is considerably shorter than the “visual range” SilverDragon uses to detect rare spawns. The next time Putridus spawned I clicked the SD thing to target him, and then tried to use the Lens, but he was still too far away. And you’d think something as big as Putridus would be visible from a mile away, but the haze in the air in the area where he spawns makes him practically invisible until you’re almost on top of him anyway. So unless you get lucky and randomly run right at him, you’re still not going to find him, even with the lens. I _did_ finally catch up to him one day though. Unfortunately, where I caught him was right in the middle of a crowd of little zombies. My pally could have dealt with Putridus _or_ the zombie swarm, but both at the same time was too much and she died after getting the bastard down to about 5%. Then somebody else ran up and started attacking him, and he was dead by the time I finished my corpse run. ---
**Author:** ![aktep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f0a364/32.png) [@aktep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aktep)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1669 "2010-08-02T20:41:04Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > > [@aktep](#): > > > > Since you can now apply raid targets while solo, what I do when SilverDragon pings on a mob is target it and apply a raid target like the star or diamond that will stand out. It’s still a few minutes of spinning about madly trying to find it, but it sure helps. > > Wait, what? Since when? That’s awesome! Since the same patch that made it so anyone, not just the party leader, could apply raid targets. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1670 "2010-08-02T20:56:36Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Well, you’re also looking at the last tier of raid gear for this expansion. On paper, we’ve had four tiers since five-man content: Naxx, Ulduar, ToC, and ICC. But because of the 10/25 and regular/Heroic splits, we’ve really had much more than that. If you assume that a tier is about 13 ilvls, going from the WotLK-launch five-mans to Heroic ICC25 will jump you up \*almost six tiers \*(277 minus 200, divided by 13). That’s a hell of a difference. Going to Naxx10 or 25 gear from Heroic gear would be a much smaller boost–and if you were wearing gear from ToC5 or any of the ICC five-mans, it could even be a step down. Yeah, I mostly had T9 stuff, ToC5 stuff, and a few pieces of ICC5 stuff. What’s going to be hard for me NOW is that at least two of my theoretical best pieces are from Ruby Sanctum, which as far as I can tell no one is running in my guild. ---
**Author:** ![Shin\_Kell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/97f17d/32.png) [@Shin\_Kell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shin_Kell)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1671 "2010-08-02T20:57:44Z")
[QUOTE=Shot From Guns] The OT(s) should be stacked on the tank–have you tried putting a mark on your head so that the OT can keep track of where you are more easily? Also, if the OT keeps out-threatting you… depending on their HP/Armor, have you considered having them be the MT for this encounter? (Not that they shouldn’t be watching their threat meter, but.) [/QUOTE] It was a Trade Chat pug, not one of my usual runs. Tanks were marked and the fight had been explained, the other tank just didn’t have any experience tanking in ICC. I told him to hug the furry bear, but I guess he was allergic. I was way ahead on threat, pretty sure he was using Hand of Reckoning because he would just shoot to the top of Omen suddenly, followed by the boss whipping around and cleave ahoy! First piece of T10 for my paladin today, yay gloves. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1672 "2010-08-02T21:11:01Z")
Created a new character: **GrinderLavel** (sounds out to “LaVelle”) Q ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1673 "2010-08-02T21:55:54Z")
> [@aktep](#): > > Since the same patch that made it so anyone, not just the party leader, could apply raid targets. Weird, I could have sworn I tested it then and it still didn’t work. Guess I just forgot to try after all! > [@Shin\_Kell](#): > > I was way ahead on threat, pretty sure he was using Hand of Reckoning because he would just shoot to the top of Omen suddenly, followed by the boss whipping around and cleave ahoy! Yup, that would be hot hot taunting action, followed by another person on that side of the boss getting hit by hot hot Saber Lash action. (If he wasn’t in front of the boss… how was he picking up his portion of Saber Lash, anyway?) > [@Quasimodem](#): > > **GrinderLavel** (sounds out to “LaVelle”) Hrm, is there some reference this young 'un isn’t getting? ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1674 "2010-08-02T23:08:10Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Hrm, is there some reference this young 'un isn’t getting? “Grind a Level,” maybe? That’s all I can make of it. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1675 "2010-08-02T23:35:42Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Agility, stamina, strength. Roughly in that order. If you’re specifically going bear, swap stam and agility. > [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > If you’re a bear, then Stamina is your biggest stat, followed by Agi. Naturally, Parry and Block are useless because you don’t have those. Dodge is decent, but last I looked into it, Agi is better. Hit isn’t a bad idea, same with Expertise. But Stamina and Agility first. > > I’m not really up on cats, but Stamina isn’t a priority for them, Hit is your first priority until you cap it. Er, at 80 I mean. > > For newb druids, what **Bosstone** said. > > Also, for bears, aim for the [Survival of the Fittest](http://www.wowhead.com/spell=33853) talent. That talent is why druid tanks don’t have to worry about Defense. Thanks 🙂 I’m going ahead with “Balance” until I get Cat form. Bear form is useless for DPS ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1676 "2010-08-03T00:24:57Z")
🙂 Grinding my levels, yup, that’s what it is! 🙂 Also, y’all: I LOST MY BLADESTORM ability! A well-meaning friend tried to help me change my spec from arms to fury and somehow that ability got lost. I now have shockwave, but bladestorm was much more effective. Any ideas on what I can do to get it back??? PS: I went back to arms, because we couldn’t equip my off-hand with another cleaver, so now I’m in arms with my most important stuff missing…☹ Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1677 "2010-08-03T00:58:51Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > You’re always mouse looking too, so you need every command with a shortcut key on the board. 1-2-3-4-5 whatever works for you. I use 1-2-3-4-5-q-e-r-f-s with my mouse shoulder button as a modifier key. :smack: Thanks, that what I needed to know. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1678 "2010-08-03T01:05:04Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > 🙂 Grinding my levels, yup, that’s what it is! 🙂 > > Also, y’all: I LOST MY BLADESTORM ability! A well-meaning friend tried to help me change my spec from arms to fury and somehow that ability got lost. I now have shockwave, but bladestorm was much more effective. Any ideas on what I can do to get it back??? > > PS: I went back to arms, because we couldn’t equip my off-hand with another cleaver, so now I’m in arms with my most important stuff missing…☹ Bladestorm is an Arms talent, at the very bottom of the talent tree. Looks like you didn’t respec properly and missed that one? ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1679 "2010-08-03T01:15:29Z")
Apparently not, **FH**. I have to learn/earn it again, right?☹ Also, I seem to have both elixirs, potions and eat/drink stuff in both my action bars and also in my bags (taking up space). How do I change it to just action bars? Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480/1680 "2010-08-03T08:19:37Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Apparently not, **FH**. I have to learn/earn it again, right?☹ > > Also, I seem to have both elixirs, potions and eat/drink stuff in both my action bars and also in my bags (taking up space). How do I change it to just action bars? > > Thanks > > Q Do you mean how can you have your consumables only on your action bars and not in your bags? If so you can’t do this, action bars are shortcuts to items and abilities they can’t actually store the item. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=83) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-wow-general-discussion-thread-6-8-10/542480.md?page=85)