# New York AG suing Trump , his foundation and his kids **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 14, 2018, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094 "2018-06-14T15:43:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094/1 "2018-06-14T15:43:04Z")
Cheeto has already tweeted that he is not settling this. > **[New York attorney general sues Trump Foundation | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/14/politics/new-york-lawsuit-trump-foundation/index.html)** > > The New York attorney general on Thursday sued President Donald Trump's charitable foundation along with its directors -- the President, his sons Eric and Donald Jr. and daughter Ivanka -- alleging they violated state and federal charities law. ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094/2 "2018-06-14T15:50:37Z")
The question in my mind is whether this was coming one way or the other, or if Schneiderman was sitting on it on account of being blackmailed by Michael Cohen/Donald Trump. I wonder if we’ll ever know. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094/3 "2018-06-14T16:51:24Z")
But…but…The Clinton Foundation!!! …in 3, 2, 1 ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094/4 "2018-06-14T17:15:23Z")
No, this isn’t anything like the Clinton Foundation. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094/5 "2018-06-14T17:17:29Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, this isn’t anything like the Clinton Foundation. > > Regards, > Shodan Right, since the Clinton Foundation is a well-run charity with a documented history of saving lives, and has been thoroughly investigated publicly on multiple occasions by people trying to dig up any dirt they can on it. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094/6 "2018-06-14T17:22:12Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > Right, since the Clinton Foundation is a well-run charity with a documented history of saving lives, and has been thoroughly investigated publicly on multiple occasions by people trying to dig up any dirt they can on it. And it was chartered on the premise of actually doing good in the world, instead of just a fig-leaf money pot that the Trump Foundation is. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094/7 "2018-06-14T17:25:28Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, this isn’t anything like the Clinton Foundation. > > Regards, > Shodan Tell us why you think it is. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094/8 "2018-06-14T17:27:04Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > Right, since the Clinton Foundation is a well-run charity with a documented history of saving lives, and has been thoroughly investigated publicly on multiple occasions by people trying to dig up any dirt they can on it. You guys are assuming the worst from Shodan, I’m willing to gibpve him the benefit of the doubt and assume he knows Trump Foundation is a cesspool and Clinton Foundation is not. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094/9 "2018-06-14T17:48:00Z")
Well it wasn’t the Clinton Foundation per se that was criticized, it was its offshoot the Clinton Global Initiative with which some thought foreign entities or powers could buy influence when Clinton was elected president. A couple months after the election and she lost the donations dried up and they closed it down. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094/10 "2018-06-14T17:50:19Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Tell us why you think it is. You know where this is going. “I want to suggest the Clinton foundation is actually worse, without bothering to support that implication.” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094/11 "2018-06-14T17:56:24Z")
I do keep hoping to see something substantive. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094/12 "2018-06-14T18:12:30Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Cheeto has already tweeted that he is not settling this. You can just say “he’s settling this.” ---
**Author:** ![OldGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3bc359/32.png) [@OldGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094/13 "2018-06-14T18:13:45Z")
Just exactly how does a charity payout more than it takes in and still have assets? Forget what the payouts were for, and some do look sleazy, can that simple question be answered? Are they not counting earnings or something? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094/14 "2018-06-14T18:14:01Z")
“Mexico is paying for this, too!” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094/15 "2018-06-14T18:25:00Z")
I’m sure the FBI has picked up on this by now - at least I hope so. Because it is abundantly clear that President Trump’s every allegation is in fact a confession. The surest way to put him and his cohort behind bars is to take every accusation they make and investigate them for it. An old friend used to say “Whenever you are pointing a finger at someone, you’ve got three more pointing back at you.” It was never truer than with this lot. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094/16 "2018-06-14T18:47:08Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Tell us why you think it is. You are asking him to do the opposite of what he is saying. * * * Everyone - drop the hijack about the Clinton Foundation. If there is something partuculaly relevant I’ll reconsider but its a tall burden. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094/17 "2018-06-14T18:55:41Z")
Really getting sick of these 'We get him THIS time!" articles. Get back to me when you actually got him. Then I’ll be happy. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094/18 "2018-06-14T19:00:30Z")
Trouble is he just needs one cult member on any jury or 34 Republicans in the Senate, and nothing happens. Apparently the “treasurer” of this foundation had no clue that he was the treasurer until being questioned by investigators. The strategy has to be to be so corrupt that as soon as one scandal hits the news, another takes its place. Sort of like a cat trying to follow 100 laser pointers. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094/19 "2018-06-14T20:51:54Z")
Possibly this makes more sense to ask in GQ but does anyone know if there’s a reason that this is a lawsuit rather than a criminal proceeding? Based on the legal theory given in the AG document, it looks like they’re using a power to force a change in the management of the charity. I suppose that makes sense that it’s better to keep a charity running than shut it down, when it’s being misused, particularly if it still has money on the books. But, for example, this power is in part provisional on the AG detecting that the funds have been used criminally. That strongly implies that there should be a criminal charge attached or being filed separately against the individuals involved. And it seems like they would file that at the same time as the lawsuit. Am I wrong? Or would this be some sort of legal strategy to be able to create the discovery vehicle that they need to prove a criminal case? Or, alternately, would this be evidence that the case isn’t very solid and they’re largely filing this for political reasons? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094/20 "2018-06-14T20:56:37Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > Really getting sick of these 'We get him THIS time!" articles. > > Get back to me when you actually got him. Then I’ll be happy. I was a bit bummed when I read about Nixon and how it took two years to get rid of him. But, yeah, it’s been a bit annoying that not very many people - even on the Dope - got the message that this is going to take a few years. And since Trump’s crimes include a bunch of financial stuff, apparently that’s even longer to investigate than your average criminal case. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-ag-suing-trump-his-foundation-and-his-kids/816094.md?page=2)