# New York Times hires unapologetic racist writer **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2018, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086 "2018-08-04T10:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/361 "2018-08-10T00:20:14Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > You are the one that said there was shame in treating these people as what they are, human beings. Good grief, I never said any such thing. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/362 "2018-08-10T00:23:52Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Putting aside the over the top way you phrase this, I get the impression you think every white guy who isn’t gritting their teeth in anger over this presumed assault on white maleness is being disingenuous. Is that truly what you believe? Oh no, not at all. I think a lot of those guys live for the warm feeling they get from operating that way. But you have to have a bit of a submissive/masochistic personality. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/363 "2018-08-10T00:26:35Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Good grief, I never said any such thing. Which one are you? You ducked the question before but you set the rules. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > (1) Wear the hairshirt and virtue signal to other progressives and woke POC that you lament straight white male hegemony every bit as much as they do. This approach is exemplified by iiandyiii ITT and others. It will win you the most acceptance in progressive spaces, but most men have too much pride to go this route. I know I do. > > (2) Grit your teeth, maybe push back here or there, but recognize that as annoying as it is to be subjected to this shit, there are still many more reasons to support Democrats than the loathsome GOP. Just deal, and remain an uneasy political ally with the “woke” far left. This is the path I choose. I could never stomach supporting Republicans, although if our political system had room for multiple parties I would love to be in the one that represented the center-left, and not have to mingle with, and rely on, BLMers or Bernheads (although we’d still have to make common cause and try to compromise when it came time to haggle over legislation). > > (3) Be seduced by the entreaties from the alt-right, and go join a group that satisfies the deep human need to have your selfhood celebrated—not to mention being able to freely carp about people like Jeong among those who will cheer you on. I’m not justifying this choice—it is not morally defensible—but to assemble a winning political coalition in this country you have to attract the support of not just your own partisans, but people who are legitimately vulnerable to going to the other side. And we shoot ourselves in the feet politically by making our camp so unwelcoming to straight white men that they will only join it if they are willing to push through all that. You already took #1 off the table because of your “pride” Do you grit your teeth and lie about your interest in equality? or are you a racist? ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/364 "2018-08-10T00:28:55Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Oh no, not at all. I think a lot of those guys live for the warm feeling they get from operating that way. But you have to have a bit of a submissive/masochistic personality. Ah…so you are a #3, here you parrot the “cuckolding” bullshit of the fascists, nazi’s and eugenicists. You admit you are too much of a coward to do #1 but anyone who does it is a wimp…great logic there. FWIW, even with dogs that whole alpha beta bullshit has been debunked for decades. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/365 "2018-08-10T00:30:19Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Oh no, not at all. I think a lot of those guys live for the warm feeling they get from operating that way. But you have to have a bit of a submissive/masochistic personality. Hmmm…that still reads as you believe people are being disingenuous to me. People don’t feel insulted because it makes them feel good to belong regardless of being insulted. People don’t feel insulted because they like being insulted. People are insulted but too passive to get up in arms about being insulted. Do you think people can just honestly not be insulted? That in fact there is nothing insulting here? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/366 "2018-08-10T00:36:01Z")
What about 4) Recognize that I have a lot of advantages being a straight, white, gender-typical male and I don’t care what someone says about any of those groups because I will have those advantages until I die. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/367 "2018-08-10T01:14:04Z")
Jesus, learn to read, people. Right in the middle of #2 is the sentence “This is the path I choose.” ETA: > [@Slash1972](#): > > What about 4) Recognize that I have a lot of advantages being a straight, white, gender-typical male and I don’t care what someone says about any of those groups because I will have those advantages until I die. These advantages are not present within your social group if you are young and on the left. Social affirmation is very important to social beings like us. So to choose to be on the left is to choose, if you are a straight, cisgender white male, to swim upstream against the current. To raise that degree of difficulty for teenage white boys who are just coming of age is to turn off potential lukewarm allies needlessly. Do we LOVE lukewarm allies? No. Do we desperately NEED them? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/368 "2018-08-10T01:18:12Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Jesus, learn to read, people. Right in the middle of #2 is the sentence “This is the path I choose.” I read that. But what do political parties have to do with how you treat people? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/369 "2018-08-10T01:22:53Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > These advantages are not present within your social group if you are young and on the left. Social affirmation is very important to social beings like us. So to choose to be on the left is to choose, if you are a straight, cisgender white male, to swim upstream against the current. To raise that degree of difficulty for teenage white boys who are just coming of age is to turn off potential lukewarm allies needlessly. Do we LOVE lukewarm allies? No. Do we desperately NEED them? Yes. Of course they are present. They are present if you are a white, heterosexual, gender-typical male in America. I don’t choose to be on the “left”. I’m led there because people with advantages should help those without those advantages. I’m led there because people should be treated equally regardless of color or sex or whatever. It’s easy. Tell teenage white boys “You have a lot of advantages. Recognize that and move on. Don’t worry about what others say about white people or straight people or gender-typical people because it doesn’t matter. Do what you can to succeed and help others to succeed” It’s not that hard. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/370 "2018-08-10T01:24:10Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > These advantages are not present within your social group if you are young and on the left. Social affirmation is very important to social beings like us. So to choose to be on the left is to choose, if you are a straight, cisgender white male, to swim upstream against the current. To raise that degree of difficulty for teenage white boys who are just coming of age is to turn off potential lukewarm allies needlessly. Do we LOVE lukewarm allies? No. Do we desperately NEED them? Yes. I’m not sure if I qualify as “young”, but I’m definitely on the left, and I’ve benefited hugely from being a straight white male. I never got caught with drugs in my youth; I never got caught breaking the law in my youth; I was never pulled over or accosted by a cop without cause; I usually got warnings when I was pulled over; I was quite a lazy student and yet easily coasted by with good grades; and much, much more. The swimming has been quite easy for me, in general, when I compare my life to those of many of my friends and family of color. Any increase in the “degree of difficulty” for white men on the left is pure fantasy. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/371 "2018-08-10T01:31:59Z")
For the people who think that ‘white fragility’ is some type type of label or mark, you just aren’t hearing what is being asked. > **[diangelo-white\_fragility\_and\_the\_rules\_of\_engagement.pdf](https://www.uua.org/sites/live-new.uua.org/files/diangelo-white_fragility_and_the_rules_of_engagement.pdf)** > > 262.07 KB > [@](#): > > The above guidelines rest on the understanding that there is no face to save and the jig is up; I know that I have blind spots and unconscious investments in white superiority. My investments are reinforced every day in mainstream society. I did not set this system up but it does unfairly benefit me and I am responsible for interrupting it. I need to work hard to recognize it myself, but I can’t do it alone. This understanding leads me to gratitude when others help me > > In my workshops, I often ask the people of color, > “How often have you given white people feedback on our unaware yet inevitable racism and had that go well for you?” > Eye-rolling, head-shaking, and outright laughter follow, along with the general consensus of never. I then ask, > “What would it be like if you could simply give us feedback, have us graciously receive it, reflect, and work to change the behavior?” > Recently a man of color sighed and said, > “It would be revolutionary.” While I am a white man and cannot speak for people who have been subjected to discrimination. In my experience the above is what most people communicate. The ‘guilt’ is just due to your inexperience with racial discussions, and ‘white fragility’ describes a behavior that typically blocks these conversations from happening. Those of us who are labeled ‘white’ just tend to over react and end up avoiding these issues. The process doesn’t involve emasculation at all and no one expects you to be omnipotent. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/372 "2018-08-10T02:16:56Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m not sure if I qualify as “young”, but I’m definitely on the left, and I’ve benefited hugely from being a straight white male. I never got caught with drugs in my youth; I never got caught breaking the law in my youth; I was never pulled over or accosted by a cop without cause; I usually got warnings when I was pulled over; I was quite a lazy student and yet easily coasted by with good grades; and much, much more. The swimming has been quite easy for me, in general, when I compare my life to those of many of my friends and family of color. Any increase in the “degree of difficulty” for white men on the left is pure fantasy. Slow down and read for comprehension. I said those advantages are not present \*\* within your social group\*\* if you choose to affiliate with progressive peers. I was speaking narrowly only of that part of life, which is an important one for a social animal. Your list of advantages is valid in many cases, but don’t help make your desired group of friends accept you as a friend if that group is young “woke” progressives who instinctively prize gay or transgendered POC above all others and who are reflexively distrustful of straight cisgendered white men. So it makes it all the more tempting for someone coming of age to take the advantages you describe plus the social advantage of acceptance on the right. If we on the left are more easily embracing of straight white guys, that won’t happen as much. And we need to remember, as I keep saying, that it’s fundamentally morally wrong to dock someone for characteristics they are born with and cannot change. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/373 "2018-08-10T02:23:06Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Slow down and read for comprehension. I said those advantages are not present \*\* within your social group\*\* if you choose to affiliate with progressive peers. I was speaking narrowly only of that part of life, which is an important one for a social animal. Your list of advantages is valid in many cases, but don’t help make your desired group of friends accept you as a friend if that group is young “woke” progressives who instinctively prize gay or transgendered POC above all others and who are reflexively distrustful of straight cisgendered white men. So it makes it all the more tempting for someone coming of age to take the advantages you describe plus the social advantage of acceptance on the right. If we on the left are more easily embracing of straight white guys, that won’t happen as much. And we need to remember, as I keep saying, that it’s fundamentally morally wrong to dock someone for characteristics they are born with and cannot change. Such docking is much, much less common than you fear. Personally, I’ve never faced it, and I hang out with lots of progressives. And I’ve never found any problem or difficulty being accepted among them. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/374 "2018-08-10T04:10:33Z")
Well, of course _you_ don’t. But as I keep saying, most young straight white dudes (of all demographic groups I can think of) aren’t going to be willing to curry favor like that. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/375 "2018-08-10T10:46:47Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Well, of course _you_ don’t. But as I keep saying, most young straight white dudes (of all demographic groups I can think of) aren’t going to be willing to curry favor like that. Ah, another Doper mind reader. And it just so happens that your certainty about how I think confirms your preconceived notions! You are just one of the laziest damn thinkers on the Dope. You really have no idea why people who don’t think like you make decisions. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/376 "2018-08-10T11:55:23Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > You have to make a judgement call as to whether someone is seriously calling for it or not. An incredible claim for “cancellation” is around as offensive as any other egregious racism. If it had been from a group known to be militant, that would be another story. Would Rush Limbaugh “seriously” call for the cancellation of another race? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/377 "2018-08-10T11:55:51Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Everyone has privilege, just different types and it is not something to be ashamed of, but something to pay attention to because it acts as blinders related to the experiences others have. Everyone except blacks, right? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/378 "2018-08-10T11:57:01Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > I’ve basically dismissed all your quotes of Jeong, because you haven’t presented any in context, nor have you taken into account either the conversational nature of twitter and the inherent constraints of the (now loosened) 140 character limit. > > To say that #cancelwhitepeople is eliminationist or advocating genocide is laughable. > > Pull the full conversation. This isn’t a big request. I have4 asked for cites and “context” al I have gotten is stuff about her “body of work” and how she was harassed online at some point in time. So if you have a link to the tweet chain that includes this hashtag and puts this in “context” then by all means share it. I’ll just assume you have nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/379 "2018-08-10T11:59:21Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Haha OK so according to you, > > Complaining of “reverse racism” and minimizing and invalidating the historical suffering actual racism caused while disregarding on going structural flaws that still cause suffering today is will solve the problem right? > > My white systematic privilege is not threatened by an LGBT author who made some bad life choices in responding to on-going abuse years ago. She is still a racist that will be given a huge platform at the New York Times. Why do other racists get fired (heck some of them are even inadvertent racists). > [@](#): > > To be clear, I am not perfect and will have to struggle to ensure I do my best to treat my fellow Americans as equally as possible, Even white people? > [@](#): > > but as bigotry is primarily based out of fear and ignorance how is your zero tolerance policy going to help us move forward. Ask the folks who got James Gunn fired Ask the folks who got countless others fired for far less racism. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/380 "2018-08-10T12:05:15Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Oh, I see, because you are simply implying it with all of your anal sex imagery, that makes it better, is that it? You have to call someone a pussy of a fag in order to demonstrate your homophobia? I think you are confusing homosexuality with rape. Or is hatefucking someone up the ass really just another form of sex to you? Equating homosexuality to rape is the sort of thing a homophobe would do. > [@](#): > > “I didn’t say you were a fag, I just said that you are getting fucked up the ass.” Getting raped doesn’t change your sexual orientation. > [@](#): > > Yeah, and you have a problem with Jeong because of _her_ language. Yes, she is a racist. > [@](#): > > At least she has apologized, and realized that that language is not helpful. Sure, now that her job depends on it. > [@](#): > > You double down and continue to slur homosexuals by insisting that being understanding to those who have had less privileged than oneself is like having anal sex. Why do you defend some racists and not others? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086.md?page=20)