# New York Times hires unapologetic racist writer **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2018, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086 "2018-08-04T10:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/381 "2018-08-10T12:47:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Yes – years and years of unapologetic ignorant racism is far, far worse than a handful of dumb tweets that foolishly throw bigotry back in the face of bigots and are apologized for. Has bill O’Reilly never apologized for racist and sexist comments because google says otherwise. Shouldn’t we forgive him like we forgive Sarah Jeong? Its not like Sarah is any less hostile to white males than she used to be. If liberals get to pick and choose which instances of racism 'count" why should anyone take them seriously? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/382 "2018-08-10T12:53:57Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Let’s have a cite for this ridiculousness. > > LOL. You’re a liar, a fantasist, or both. I think he might be mistaking white male liberal guilt for white male cuckolding ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/383 "2018-08-10T12:56:18Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I am against slavery. You’re so brave! But if you really want to mollify them you have to #cancelwhitepeople or at least be cool with people who #cancelwhitepeople ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/384 "2018-08-10T13:03:22Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Has bill O’Reilly never apologized for racist and sexist comments because google says otherwise. As far as google reveals to me, he’s apologized for, at best, a tiny fraction of the bigoted things he’s said, and none of those apologies demonstrate awareness of his bigotry, IMO. > [@](#): > > If liberals get to pick and choose which instances of racism 'count" why should anyone take them seriously? Just a silly straw man. Different things are judged differently. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I think he might be mistaking white male liberal guilt for white male cuckolding Your mind-reading ability is no better than his. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/385 "2018-08-10T13:22:34Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > What about 4) Recognize that I have a lot of advantages being a straight, white, gender-typical male and I don’t care what someone says about any of those groups because I will have those advantages until I die. Not to derail the thread, but isnt “straight” and “gender-typical” kind of redundant? What if we decide that straight white males cannot get into a good college unless they are athletes, legacies or wealthy? (I wonder what the admissions profile looks like for middle class straight white males who are not athletes or legacies, compared to similarly situated Asians) What if this mentality leaks into hiring and promotions? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/386 "2018-08-10T13:30:12Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Just a silly straw man. Different things are judged differently. And how do you think we should judge #cancelwhitepeople It seems pretty fucking racist to me. Why does she get a job and James Gunn get fired? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/387 "2018-08-10T13:36:59Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Not to derail the thread, but isnt “straight” and “gender-typical” kind of redundant? No, though “gender typical” is a near - meaningless phrase; perhaps he means “gender identity typical” (also known as cis)? Trans people can have “typical” genders - ie male or female, and trans people can be straight or gay or other. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/388 "2018-08-10T13:38:04Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > And how do you think we should judge #cancelwhitepeople > > It seems pretty fucking racist to me. > > Why does she get a job and James Gunn get fired? I have no problem with criticizing that phrase, and she apologized for it. As for Gunn, take it up with Disney. I think there’s a decent chance he’ll be rehired. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/389 "2018-08-10T13:40:19Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Not to derail the thread, but isnt “straight” and “gender-typical” kind of redundant? No, it isn’t. > [@](#): > > What if we decide that straight white males cannot get into a good college unless they are athletes, legacies or wealthy? What if? > [@](#): > > What if this mentality leaks into hiring and promotions? What if? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/390 "2018-08-10T13:47:47Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Why does she get a job and James Gunn get fired? Because Disney Corp. fears parents reading on twitter that they hired someone who once made pedo-themed jokes, far more than NYT Inc. has to fear you or I learning thru twitter that they hired someone who made racially offensive tweets. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/391 "2018-08-10T14:11:07Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > What about 4) Recognize that I have a lot of advantages being a straight, white, gender-typical male and I don’t care what someone says about any of those groups because I will have those advantages until I die. > [@Slash1972](#): > > Of course they are present. They are present if you are a white, heterosexual, gender-typical male in America. I don’t choose to be on the “left”. I’m led there because people with advantages should help those without those advantages. I’m led there because people should be treated equally regardless of color or sex or whatever. > > It’s easy. Tell teenage white boys “You have a lot of advantages. Recognize that and move on. Don’t worry about what others say about white people or straight people or gender-typical people because it doesn’t matter. Do what you can to succeed and help others to succeed” > > It’s not that hard. One of us must be drinking, because you are making sense and I agree with you. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > Well, of course _you_ don’t. But as I keep saying, most young straight white dudes (of all demographic groups I can think of) aren’t going to be willing to curry favor like that. Doing the right thing means not doing it due to what you think others will think of you. That you only do things based on how you will be perceived isn’t being a good person. It is not about currying favor, it is about not being a shitty human being. IF most of the straight white dudes in your peer group are shitty human beings who only pretend to do the right thing to curry favor, you need to find some better friends. > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Have y’all discussed [Sarah Jeong’s role in the Naomi Wu fuckery](https://medium.com/@therealsexycyborg/shenzhen-tech-girl-naomi-wu-my-experience-with-sarah-jeong-jason-koebler-and-vice-magazine-3f4a32fda9b5)? I read this a couple of days ago and immediately removed VICE from my bookmarks. I put up with them ripping off their writers as the pains of a new business, especially since they seemed to make good when they were finally called out on it a while back. But this is too much; I won’t give a cent or a click to them again if I can help it until and unless they apologize and try to make things right. > > The TL;DR is that Naomi Wu is a young lady in Shenzhen, China who makes things, tech things. She’s brilliant and funny and awesome and was actually making a living (illegally) thru Patreon and YouTube. Because of VICE not complying with an agreement that Miss Wu demanded before their interview with her (and, to be fair, Miss Wu’s own actions when she attempted to retaliate) they have destroyed her sources of income and placed her life in jeopardy from the government. Jason Koebler and Sarah Jeong played major roles in this, and so I’ll have nothing to do with them or their employers until I learn that Miss Wu is satisfied with things. That is something that is more problematic than her comments. I don’t really read Vice, only if someone links an article here, really. But, yeah, I don’t really have a problem with the tweets in the past, but this story does raise some problems of journalistic integrity. If it is as it is presented, then she should do more than just apologize for that behavior. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I think you are confusing homosexuality with rape. Or is hatefucking someone up the ass really just another form of sex to you? You are confusing rape with consensual. You say that we"let them fuck us up the ass", which means it isn’t rape. Consensual sex would only be rape to someone who doesn’t consider that sort of sex to be legitimate. > [@](#): > > Equating homosexuality to rape is the sort of thing a homophobe would do. No, making an analogy to consensual sex being like rape because it is anal sex is something that a homophobe would do. > [@](#): > > Getting raped doesn’t change your sexual orientation. No, but consenting to anal sex is something abhorrent to you, and a man who consents to anal sex is a homosexual. > [@](#): > > Yes, she is a racist. Many of your posts here could be considered racist, especially if I took them out of context. That I could very easily take your posts and make you look like a racist, does that make you one? > [@](#): > > Sure, now that her job depends on it. You have the timeline wrong. > [@](#): > > Why do you defend some racists and not others? When did you stop beating your wife? ---
**Author:** ![Delicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@Delicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Delicious)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/392 "2018-08-10T14:12:34Z")
After reading iiandyiiii and ratavatar’s posts, i feel significantly more inclined to go oppress someone just to spite them. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/393 "2018-08-10T14:17:07Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Not to derail the thread, but isnt “straight” and “gender-typical” kind of redundant? He doesn’t like the cis prefix, so gender typical is what he uses to denote that. But, it’s pretty obvious unless you think that gender identity and sexual orientation are the same thing. > [@](#): > > What if we decide that straight white males cannot get into a good college unless they are athletes, legacies or wealthy? (I wonder what the admissions profile looks like for middle class straight white males who are not athletes or legacies, compared to similarly situated Asians) > > What if this mentality leaks into hiring and promotions? You are asking, “What if white males find themselves treated the way that minorities have been treated for generations?” Well, that’d suck for white males, to be quite honest. A great solution to not having white males retaliated against when whites become a minority is that white males should treat other minorities with the kind of respect that they would like to have themselves. The problem with oppression is that the oppressed eventually get sick of it, and the oppressors often don’t really like the response to the uprising of the oppressed. There are two ways of dealing with it, either increase the oppression and do our best to grind any sense of uprising out of the oppressed population, or we could listen to their problems and work to solve them. The first solution is rarely a final one, and I’m too lazy to go out and dig mass graves, so let’s try the second for a bit, and see how that works out. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/394 "2018-08-10T14:41:07Z")
> [@Delicious](#): > > After reading iiandyiiii and ratavatar’s posts, i feel significantly more inclined to go oppress someone just to spite them. Well, that says something about what kind of person you are. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/395 "2018-08-10T14:49:08Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > How do you know this, unless you are Hispanic? I think you are going to run into trouble if you assume **Bricker** came from a privileged background. From what I have read of his posts, he did not. I made no claim about \*\*Bricker \*\*in my post. My claim was about whether someone’s Hispanic ancestry is easily recognizable to someone who doesn’t know you personally. Often, it is not. That makes it quite different from other ethnic and racial categories, which different consequences for what you can safely assume about a member of that group. ---
**Author:** ![Delicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@Delicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Delicious)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/396 "2018-08-10T14:50:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Well, that says something about what kind of person you are. An awesome dude harnessing the full power of my whiteness! Off to enslave some folk now. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/397 "2018-08-10T14:53:15Z")
> [@Delicious](#): > > An awesome dude harnessing the full power of my whiteness! > > Off to enslave some folk now. Have fun! Let us know if you’re interested in actual discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/398 "2018-08-10T15:04:28Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > One of us must be drinking, because you are making sense and I agree with you. It was me who was drinking 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Delicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@Delicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Delicious)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/399 "2018-08-10T15:17:36Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Have fun! Let us know if you’re interested in actual discussion. Could do with a break from all the whipping. This reporter is clearly a racist and it’s entirely possible she was also being attacked by other racists, assholes tend to attract each other. The whole white privilege/white fragility thing is also clearly divisive language, if you use a phrase that has an obvious meaning that’s different to the meaning you read in a social research paper that most people haven’t read, it’s probably not a good phrase for regular, non-academic discussion…if you find yourself clarifying it every time you use it, pick another phrase or youre just being deliberately obtuse. Back to whipping, as is my privilege. ---
**Author:** ![wintertime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c68b51/32.png) [@wintertime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wintertime)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/400 "2018-08-10T15:20:05Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > I think you misunderstand the whole point of what privilege is. > > Everyone has privilege, just different types and it is not something to be ashamed of, but something to pay attention to because it acts as blinders related to the experiences others have. This definition doesn’t make sense to me. Aren’t you talking about “bias” or, more neutral, “tendencies” here? Bias and tendencies are psychological phenomena; some might have a biological foundation and some could be described as coping processes in an individual’s dealings with the environment, but they exist first and foremost within an individual. Privilege has an added social component that neither bias nor tendencies show. It is an advantage that is limited to a specific individual or a group but whose presence is constituted within and by society. A privilege may be socially accepted because it is earned by an individual (merit based) and/or because the function associated with a specific privilege is vital within the existing social structure. All privileges are social constructs, so they are reinterpreted and renegotiated all the time; and they are - by definition - an agent of inequality. Yet, that doesn’t make them necessarily disadvantageous or unjust. But they can be(come) one or both, especially when they are founded in properties that are beyond an individual’s ability to acquire. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086.md?page=21)