# New York Times hires unapologetic racist writer **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2018, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086 "2018-08-04T10:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/761 "2018-08-31T13:05:48Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > No, there isn’t. I’ve seen the original on twitter. Can you link to it? I have asked about a dozen times now. > [@](#): > > The argument is that thinking it’s a call for genocide is laughable. It’s a dismissive tweet, aimed ironically at sexist bros, IIRC. It doesn’t matter if it was said in jest or in mocking. If a white supremacist had said something similar wrt black people or jewish people, you would not be so sanguine. > [@](#): > > (The problem was she was referencing a reddit thread, which I didn’t bother searching for). Great, then show me 1 example of a racist statement made by Jeong from this thread, which includes the paragraph before and the paragraph after. With links. You know, in context. It’s easy, right? No, I have made a prima facie case for racism by showing you what is very clearly a racist statement. It is up to YOU to show me why it is not. > [@](#): > > All I see is bad faith snippets. I could take your word for it that these are all bad faith snippets, but a cite or a link would be more convincing. > [@](#): > > What I’ve asked for is much less. I want to see a link to a particular tweet that you claim is racist. Then we can discuss context. So far you have nothing. I provided a link to the tweet #cancelwhitepeople. You are asking ME to provide the context that proves it wasn’t racist? Context that I don’t believe exists? If you think the context exists, then YOU provide the context. > [@](#): > > I’m not doing whataboutism here. I’m showing what an actual substantiated allegation of racism looks like. Here is Media Matters takedown of Bill O’Reilly. It shows quotes in context, as opposed to the bad faith nonsense directed at Jeong. [https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2017/03/28/bill-o-reilly-s-history-racism/215845](https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2017/03/28/bill-o-reilly-s-history-racism/215845) WTF does O’Reilly have to do with your constant insistence that Jeong was taken out of context combined with youtr inability to show that she was taken out of context? That seems a LOT like diversion. Either you can show that Jeong was being taken out of context in a way that makes #canelwhitepeople not a racist statement or you just admit that youa re cool with racism as long as it is directed at whites and coming from liberals. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/762 "2018-08-31T13:55:32Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You’re kidding right? No, you claimed that she directed insults directly at you. That’s not cool, I agree. Not sure what I would be kidding about that. > [@](#): > > So do you have the tweet chain that includes #cancelwhitepeople that puts it into context? I thought not. Yes, it’s been shown to you. That you refuse to read it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. > [@](#): > > Or are you saying that stuff that happened throughout her lie in other contexts justifies her saying this. If so then what level of hateful abuse directed at the owners of chik fil a would justify chik fil a saying #cancelgaypeople If gay people were the majority, and persecuted straight chicken lovers for hundres of years, they could get a bit of justification for fighting back agains thtat oppression. Do you think that the owners of chik-fil-a are oppressed in any way, shape or form? > [@](#): > > We must go though mental gymnastics to exonerate liberal assholes but we can leap to conclusion to condemn conservative assholes. No, not really, it’s pretty straightforward. > [@](#): > > No, my point is that you are very selective about when racism is acceptable. You made that point very, very poorly. In fact, you were just wrong about it on every front, in such a way that such a ridiculous statement doesn’t have a response. > [@](#): > > I bring up Hillary because you think it matters who exposes the truth and that facts somehow become less factual because of who uncovers those facts. This notion of truth of facts being dependent on who uncovers those facts is very similar to the liberal reaction to the revelation that Hillary cheated during the debates and the DNC was in the bag for Hillary. These are not myths created by the right. These are facts uncovered by wikileaks (once a darling of the left when they were crucifying Bush Jr. with facts but now an evil organization because they uncovered the corruption of the DNC and the low moral character of the Clinton campaign. No, you bring up Hilary because you have an unhealthy obsession with her, and you bring her up under any guise or excuse you can muster, and it is for the same reasons as you falling for the narrative around Jeong. It is not the facts of the matter that I contest, it is the narrative that you are buying into. If you say that it is 75 degrees and cloudy today, I would agree. If you then say that is because John Kerry bumped the Rothschild’s weather machine while he was diddling kids in the Antarctic fortress, I’m gonna call you on the narrative that you but into. But denying the narrative, I am not denying that it is 75 and cloudy. > [@](#): > > At some point you have to make an argument other than “conservatives are evil” and you are playing right into their hands Between the two of us, you are much more of an ideologue and partisan than I am. You are the tool. You are the fool who buys into strawman narratives. > [@](#): > > Really is that the only thing that was revealed? Nothing about the death penalty? You are making a claim that she got debate questions. you are making that claim based on emails that were hacked and released by a foreign government with the intention of harming our democracy. You are falling for the narrative that the emails are the tip of the iceberg, and not the entirety of the “damning evidence”. > [@](#): > > I don’t think I’ve ever said a kind word about Trump after his first executive order banning Muslims. So what in the world are you talking about? You don’t have to say a kind word in order to be leaping to his defense. You are carrying water for him and his administration. If you don’t have kind words for him, why do you work for him? > [@](#): > > If Trump cheated during the debates, do you seriously think that you would be cool with it? I don’t think so. I wouldn’t be cool with it. If the entirety of Trump’s “cheating” was that he was advised on the possibility of a few questions during the primary debates, then I wouldn’t really have an issue with that. You bitch and whine about Hillary taking advice from the DNC, but you don’t seem to have any problem with trump taking help in hacking his opponent form a hostile foreign actor. > [@](#): > > :rolleyes: > > You’re just wasting everyone’s time. No, just my own, in trying to parse your poorly written and parsed posts. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/763 "2018-08-31T14:00:17Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > youa re cool with racism as long as it is directed at whites and coming from liberals. I’m cool with racism as long as it is directed at whites and coming from liberals. Do I win a prize or anything? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/764 "2018-08-31T18:47:34Z")
Dude’s right: if we really want to rehash those arguments, we should go back to the thread they came from. But I don’t think you really want to do that because I keep scoring rhetorical TKOs. You don’t want to be [that guy](https://youtu.be/trpZOYY3YGM). Your call though. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/765 "2018-08-31T19:28:42Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > There is absolutely consensus that it’s entirely unreasonable to believe that black people are inherently inferior in intellect due to genetics. Or that there is any inherent racial intellectual hierarchy. Or anything else that would justify your disgusting paternalistic racism. Why are you guys having that same argument in the pit of all places? You folks are going to be going back and forth on how men and women sports differ 100% due to environment next? You aren’t going to resolve anything. You are not going to change anyone’s point of view held for ideological reasons. It’s a pointless hijack. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/766 "2018-08-31T20:10:33Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I keep scoring rhetorical TKOs. _…shit on the board, and strut about like it’s won anyway._ ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/767 "2018-08-31T20:27:49Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Why are you guys having that same argument in the pit of all places? You folks are going to be going back and forth on how men and women sports differ 100% due to environment next? Since no one is making that argument here or even in the other thread… > [@octopus](#): > > You aren’t going to resolve anything. You are not going to change anyone’s point of view held for ideological reasons. It’s a pointless hijack. Yeah, last time you contributed to that other thread it ended making **SlackerInc** look like a dunce head for thinking that what you found was a good argument to shut down the ones that do not see much evidence in favor of a genetic explanation about differences in intelligence among races. It turned to be the other way around. As it was clear that Reich did point out also that people like Murray were racists and had no good points to make, **while Reich was also found to be concern trolling other scientists.** As most scientists told us, the arguments proposed by Slackerinc in the other thread were shot down many times before, seeing differences among populations is not “forbidden knowledge” and it was a shame that seemingly intelligent people like Harris give still credence to people like Murray and Wade. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/768 "2018-08-31T20:28:37Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Why are you guys having that same argument in the pit of all places? You folks are going to be going back and forth on how men and women sports differ 100% due to environment next? You aren’t going to resolve anything. You are not going to change anyone’s point of view held for ideological reasons. It’s a pointless hijack. No idea what this irrelevant bullshit about men and women is about, unless you think inherent black intellectually inferiority is as reasonable a position as the universally accepted biological differences between the sexes. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/769 "2018-08-31T23:53:49Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > The average black kid gets more funding than the white kids. But the black mainstream kids get less than white mainstream kids This requires a 4th claim that no one has made; that black special education schoolchildren receive more funding on a per capita basis than white special education schoolchildren. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/770 "2018-08-31T23:59:47Z")
> [@SlackerInc;](#): > > 21179835BZZZT! I did not make STATEMENT 2. By that point in the discussion evidence had been presented that black schoolchildren receive less funding on a state level. You didn’t challenge that evidence, you accepted it and said that it was federal funding of black special education schoolchildren that made up the difference. Do you not remember the discussion? > [@](#): > > No. You are amazingly innumerate if you really are an economist. STATEMENT 1 and STATEMENT 2 could both be true, and special ed black schoolchildren could still receive more per capita funding than special ed white schoolchildren. (I’m not saying that’s so, just pointing out that there is no logical conflict preventing all three from being simultaneously true.) You are now making additional claims, that you did not make in the initial thread, because I have explained the problem with your claims to you. If you actually understood the implication of your claims to begin with, you would not be making these additional claims now. By the way, do you realize that the above argument requires non-special-education black schoolchildren, who make up the vast majority of black schoolchildren, to be underfunded relative to white schoolchildren. Are you conceding that point? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2018, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/771 "2018-09-01T08:07:47Z")
EE, I wasn’t conceding any factual point or even making any assertion about empirical reality. Just pointing out that your logic/math was wrong AGAIN. And now you’re doing it again, both in your response to me and to Damuri. You show more innumeracy and lack of grounding in logic with every post. You should have listened to the KitH crowd: “STAY DOWN!” But you didn’t. And as boring as this all is, I will endeavor to explain your numerous errors to you on three conditions: (1) You stop hijacking this thread and ask in the Sam Harris thread (you can link in both places to posts in the other thread to make it clear). (2) You get one other poster—just one!—to say this is actually of interest to them, and they’d like to see it play out. (3) You can handle waiting until at least Monday night for the response, because I am already past due for my self-imposed poicy of taking weekends off from message boards, email, and social media. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2018, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/772 "2018-09-01T15:01:54Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > EE, I wasn’t conceding any factual point or even making any assertion about empirical reality. Just pointing out that your logic/math was wrong AGAIN. Meh, easier to see where that complain from the slacker came from. (Post #1401 here): [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=824576&page=29](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=824576&page=29) Just interesting to notice that even if cites are made as requested by the Slacker they are dismissed because I ‘must not had know about them before’, like if making the very stupid argument that if we did not know before about a bit of evidence that it should not be allowed to be brought into the discussion\*, (post # 1410 and follow ups) as pointed before: “the whole truth is that in the USA there are many districts that are short-changing large percentages of low-income and minority students.” - Of course, it is because it does end up making him look as being ignorant of a key bit of evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2018, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/773 "2018-09-01T17:37:44Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I will endeavor to explain your numerous errors to you on three conditions That would be difficult, given that a) I haven’t made any errors, and b) If I had made any errors you wouldn’t be capable of spotting them. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/774 "2018-09-01T17:50:30Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Meh, easier to see where that complain from the slacker came from. (Post #1401 here): Correction, Evil Economist’s point, among the ones that SI complains too much about is in reality post #1404 [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20924055&postcount=1404](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20924055&postcount=1404) ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/775 "2018-09-01T17:51:59Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > EE, I wasn’t conceding any factual point or even making any assertion about empirical reality. Really? Well, let’s ask you directly: do regular black schoolchildren receive less funding on average than regular white schoolchildren? Also, cite your answer. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/776 "2018-09-01T17:53:49Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Correction, Evil Economist’s point, among the ones that SI complains too much about is in reality post #1404 > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20924055&postcount=1404](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20924055&postcount=1404) I kinda liked [post 1401](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20924045&postcount=1401). ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2018, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/777 "2018-09-01T19:35:47Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I didn’t even address EE’s upthread slur against me that I want to give blacks a pittance in reparations to enable police to freely murder them. But I probably should have, lest someone take my silence as a tacit admission of some kind. So let’s note that (1) in the same post where I spoke up in favor of reparations, I also said all police everywhere should be required to wear body cameras at all times, that cannot be turned off; and (2) as I have noted many times before, I spearheaded a march and rally to protest police brutality against an innocent black man in the town where I used to live. So, yeah: fuck off with that shit. Yeah, but you’re a nasty little racist, so there’s definitely a string attached to your call for “reparations”. So what is it? Having to leave the country? Return to slavery? What? Basically, finish this sentence for me: “Here’s your reparations, and now in return…” ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2018, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/778 "2018-09-01T20:17:51Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Basically, finish this sentence for me: “Here’s your reparations, and now in return…” Oh, that one’s easy: “…shut the fuck up, stay in your place, and let me stay in charge, there’s a good boy.” ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2018, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/779 "2018-09-03T03:05:55Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Kimstu, I’m onto you at this point. :rolleyes: Pfffft. Just because your post gave a distinct impression of a meaning it turns out you didn’t actually intend doesn’t mean I’m nefariously trying to misrepresent your opinions. I have plenty to criticize in your actual opinions, and/or what I honestly believe your opinions to be, without deliberately making up any additional material. When you said that you _“want us to go back to a mode […] which very much does not involve constantly giving [black kids] tests that are too hard for them”_, that definitely did sound to me like a direct echo of segregation-era views that it’s simply not fair to expect black students to perform academically on a level basis with white ones, because they just don’t have the innate ability. That was certainly **not** part of the mindset of pre-NCLB progressive education reform advocacy, so it’s hardly surprising that I didn’t realize that that was the specific period you were actually referring to. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2018, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/780 "2018-09-03T06:19:36Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Basically, finish this sentence for me: “Here’s your reparations, and now in return…” “…please don’t hurt me!” is what I believe a racist coward like **Slacker** would say. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086.md?page=40)