# New York Times hires unapologetic racist writer **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2018, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086 "2018-08-04T10:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2018, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/781 "2018-09-03T22:34:15Z")
Kimstu, increasing resources and boosting self esteem was _right there_. Are you pleading poor comprehension on your part? Skimmed it too quickly? > [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Yeah, but you’re a nasty little racist, so there’s definitely a string attached to your call for “reparations”. So what is it? Having to leave the country? Return to slavery? What? > > Basically, finish this sentence for me: “Here’s your reparations, and now in return…” This is pretty stupid, even for you. Yeah, “here’s reparations, now return to slavery.” :rolleyes: And their leaving the country would kill the Democratic Party. So in return? Nothing. No strings. (Though obviously I would hope they would continue to vote overwhelmingly Democratic.) > [@andros](#): > > Oh, that one’s easy: “…shut the fuck up, stay in your place, and let me stay in charge, there’s a good boy.” And this squares with my fondness for Obama how, exactly? :dubious: > [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > That would be difficult, given that a) I haven’t made any errors, and b) If I had made any errors you wouldn’t be capable of spotting them. Izzat so? :dubious: Funny, where have I heard this before? Let’s see…maybe in this now-closed thread? [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=854188](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=854188) 5-11-18, 11:05 a.m.: > [@](#): > > SlackerInc utterly and completely fucked this up, in a way that should have been instantly obvious to him if he’d taken even a few seconds to check his assumptions. Same thread, one minute later in response to CarnalK gently trying to point out that I was actually right in my calculations: > [@](#): > > Hahahahaha, no. Two minutes after that, responding to my umpteenth attempt to show his error: > [@](#): > > I’ve seen you misunderstand the written word before. In fact, I see it basically every time you try to post a cite. But you misinterpreting your own words is a new one. How do you manage that? So at 11:09, I threw back my own mild version of trash talk: > [@](#): > > Keep digging, EE. I’ll pop some popcorn. But EE wasn’t done—he indeed kept digging. At 11:12, he lashed out at CarnalK again: > [@](#): > > Let me be clear–my numbers and my interpretation are correct, and you are wrong. If you don’t understand why you are wrong I will try to explain it to you (though the fact that you are wrong about something so simple means that explaining it to you will likely be difficult). ![](https://media.giphy.com/media/pUeXcg80cO8I8/giphy.gif) At 11:52 the truth _finally_ dawned on EE: > [@](#): > > I just realized I was wrong. I did misunderstand your claim–I apologize to you and to BPC and to CarnalK. > > Arrogant, verbose and wrong is a horrible combination. Yes. Yes it is. But that lesson didn’t stick, did it? :dubious: Did I think we’d never argue again? No. But I actually thought you might hesitate before giving in to the impulse to say something like “If I had made any errors you wouldn’t be capable of spotting them.” I mean…just, wow. You’re bad at math, EE, but you think you are good at it. A “horrible combination”, to be sure. You should face up to this fact and stop trying to win hopeless arguments with people who are good at math, or at least are not as innumerate as you are. IOW: “STAY DOWN!” > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Meh, easier to see where that complain from the slacker came from. (Post #1401 here): > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=824576&page=29](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=824576&page=29) Oh, GIGO. :smack: That link doesn’t go anywhere near post 1401. (You do know you can link to individual posts?) And when I found my way to that post, it was a nothingburger. You had earned a bit of leeway recently by posting something useful. But you’ve burned through that goodwill by returning to your usual ways. Not going to waste time trying to parse your ranting gibberish in the future. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2018, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/782 "2018-09-03T22:46:45Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Oh, GIGO. :smack: > > That link doesn’t go anywhere near post 1401. (You do know you can link to individual posts?) And when I found my way to that post, it was a nothingburger. You had earned a bit of leeway recently by posting something useful. But you’ve burned through that goodwill by returning to your usual ways. Not going to waste time trying to parse your ranting gibberish in the future. Meh, like if you want to tell others that it was not a link to a page in the thread, not to a single post. Anyone, except you, can see that I also corrected that in a subsequent post, but thanks for showing all that you are the one that does not pay attention. Not strange then that you ignore that we even cite professors that tell you how wrong you are. And… I still prefer to have troubles with grammar rather than appearing as a wilful ignorant of the evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/783 "2018-09-04T01:16:36Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Kimstu, increasing resources and boosting self esteem was _right there_. Yes, I know: I read it and quoted it. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > Are you pleading poor comprehension on your part? Skimmed it too quickly? Nope. It just seemed to me (and still does) that your expressed concern about constantly giving black students “tests that are too hard for them” (i.e., white students’ tests) was a more salient point in trying to figure out exactly what “mode” you were advocating “going back to” than your accompanying boilerplate compassionate rhetoric about caring for their self-esteem and providing more resources for them. If that was a misinterpretation on my part, I’m happy to apologize for it. In my defense, though, it is not at all unusual to have to try to figure out what your posts really mean through the mist of your frequently vague and inconsistent rhetoric. And it was certainly not a feature of the progressive pre-NCLB education advocacy movement to worry that white students’ tests were innately “too hard” for black students. So on balance, “pre-Civil Rights” looked like the most likely candidate for the period whose “mode” you were advocating a return to, and the self-contradictory bits were just written off as typical **Slacker** speak. [shrug] ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/784 "2018-09-04T05:42:21Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Did I think we’d never argue again? No. But I actually thought you might hesitate before giving in to the impulse to say something like “If I had made any errors you wouldn’t be capable of spotting them.” I mean…just, wow. Yeah, what I said is accurate; you’re not smart enough to catch any errors I might make. The one error I did make, you needed someone else to point it out to you (though that hasn’t stopped you from taking credit, I see). I’m not going to post links to the hilariously stupid shit you’ve posted (because you do enough of it in this thread that it would be redundant). But remember that one time you had trouble understanding basic logic (the kind of stuff you might find on an IQ test), and you ran to \*\*Kimstu \*\*for help, and she explained it to you in small words using an analogy with cows, and you had a hysteric breakdown because you thought she was calling people cows? No fucking way you have an IQ over 85. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/785 "2018-09-04T05:47:14Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > And when I found my way to that post, it was a nothingburger. It was me pointing out some hilariously stupid shit you posted, along with a detailed explanation of why it was stupid. Basically, an argument that you believed passionately in was so stupid a child could have seen through it (but you didn’t). ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/786 "2018-09-04T07:28:54Z")
Damn, I wish Obama was _my_ [one Black friend](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Friend_argument)… ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/787 "2018-09-04T12:30:59Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > This requires a 4th claim that no one has made; that black special education schoolchildren receive more funding on a per capita basis than white special education schoolchildren. Again, this is why I doubt you are actually an economist. You are really bad at logic and concepts like averages. And you are really fucking confident and condescending for someone who is so wrong so often. That is liberal arrogance, I suspect you are very young. All you need is more black special ed kids than white special ed kids, you don’t need black special ed kids to get more funding than white special ed kids. My example was trying to point out why you were wrong about your previous statement and you follow up with yet another wrong statement. Is your user name supposed to be ironic? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/788 "2018-09-04T12:34:20Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > That would be difficult, given that a) I haven’t made any errors, and b) If I had made any errors you wouldn’t be capable of spotting them. ROFLMAO. You haven’t made any errors? ROFLMAO. Noone even takes you seriously anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/789 "2018-09-04T12:58:05Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Again, this is why I doubt you are actually an economist. You are really bad at logic and concepts like averages. And you are really fucking confident and condescending for someone who is so wrong so often. That is liberal arrogance, I suspect you are very young. > > All you need is more black special ed kids than white special ed kids, you don’t need black special ed kids to get more funding than white special ed kids. > > My example was trying to point out why you were wrong about your previous statement and you follow up with yet another wrong statement. Is your user name supposed to be ironic? I suspect that after you think about it a little you’re going to be really embarrassed by this post. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/790 "2018-09-04T13:45:33Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I suspect that after you think about it a little you’re going to be really embarrassed by this post. That seems optimistic. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/791 "2018-09-04T14:54:27Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > ROFLMAO. You haven’t made any errors? ROFLMAO. > > Noone even takes you seriously anymore. Well, others can see that it was a rhetorical statement from **Evil Economist** referring to this and the thread about Murray and Harris. In the other thread that the slacker linked, Evil Economist actually acknowledged that he made an error. What I see here is that you gullibly fell for the implication from the slacker that EE made a mistake here or in the Murray thread regarding the issue about the funding for minorities in American schools. Bottom line, in the Murray thread: (and funding for minority students remains a different subject from the genetic issue) It was a misleading half truth from the Slacker to claim that minority students had almost the same funding. As pointed, **that is close to the truth when just comparing the same district, but a very misleading statement that ignored the big picture.** It was clear that the Slacker wanted to claim that minorities or the poor were getting basically the same funding. He was wrong. Wrong also by insisting that because we were missing the Federal funding from the studies cited and in the arguments we were making that therefore we were wrong. That the missing federal funding was enough to support his overall point. **It was not.** As it turns out, federal funding by its nature is less discriminatory when supporting students. But it is not the main funding source for the education of students in the USA, again: it is from state and local funding where the lion’s share comes from. So he was indeed wrong, what others like me told him is the whole truth. **In the USA there are many districts that are short-changing large percentages of low-income and minority students.** ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/792 "2018-09-04T14:59:47Z")
> [@andros](#): > > That seems optimistic. Strength of numbers does not make a good argument. I doubt you even bothered to see if EE’s post made any sense, you just saw an opportunity to score a point and made yourself look stupid in the process. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/793 "2018-09-04T15:01:13Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I suspect that after you think about it a little you’re going to be really embarrassed by this post. Why don’t you try explaining it to me so that I can be embarrassed? Is your username an obvious attempt at irony that I did not pick up on? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/794 "2018-09-04T15:18:52Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well, others can see that it was a rhetorical statement from **Evil Economist** referring to this and the thread about Murray and Harris. In the other thread that the slacker linked, Evil Economist actually acknowledged that he made an error. What I see here is that you gullibly fell for the implication from the slacker that EE made a mistake here or in the Murray thread regarding the issue about the funding for minorities in American schools. Gullible? I pointed out the error he made. He is bad at logic and makes these errors with some degree of regularity. Error 1 In post 754, EE said: “Do you not realize that, mathematically speaking, this must mean that non-special-ed black schoolchildren must receive less per capita funding than non-special-ed white schoolchildren? And that special ed black schoolchildren must receive less per capita funding than special ed white schoolchildren?” This is clearly an error as I explain in post 758. Not content to be wrong once, he decides to try to compound his error by saying this in post 869: “This requires a 4th claim that no one has made; that black special education schoolchildren receive more funding on a per capita basis than white special education schoolchildren.” This is also an error as I point out in post 787. Its not even particularly difficult logic. He just doesn’t grok it. That’s why I think he can’t be an economist. > [@](#): > > Bottom line, in the Murray thread: (and funding for minority students remains a different subject from the genetic issue) It was a misleading half truth from the Slacker to claim that minority students had almost the same funding. As pointed, **that is close to the truth when just comparing the same district, but a very misleading statement that ignored the big picture.** It was clear that the Slacker wanted to claim that minorities or the poor were getting basically the same funding. He was wrong. Wrong also by insisting that because we were missing the Federal funding from the studies cited and in the arguments we were making that therefore we were wrong. That the missing federal funding was enough to support his overall point. **It was not.** > > As it turns out, federal funding by its nature is less discriminatory when supporting students. But it is not the main funding source for the education of students in the USA, again: it is from state and local funding where the lion’s share comes from. > > So he was indeed wrong, what others like me told him is the whole truth. **In the USA there are many districts that are short-changing large percentages of low-income and minority students.** From the dept of education. [https://nces.ed.gov/pubs/web/97917.asp](https://nces.ed.gov/pubs/web/97917.asp) There may be individual instances of shortchanging but that goes both ways. In the aggregate, minorities do not appear short changed. At least not by large margins. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/795 "2018-09-04T15:19:53Z")
Anyways, back to the notion that we can say racist shit about white people and not be considered a racist. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/796 "2018-09-04T15:25:41Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Anyways, back to the notion that we can say racist shit about white people and not be considered a racist. Yeah, it’s a cool notion, right? I racially disparage white people all the time. It’s pretty fun! When I, as a white person, get disparaged because of the color of my skin, I say “Damn, that’s pretty funny!” Then I go on not being worried about being followed around in a store or getting shot by the police. I also reminisce about all the times I was treated better because I’m white. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/797 "2018-09-04T15:29:12Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Strength of numbers does not make a good argument. I doubt you even bothered to see if EE’s post made any sense, you just saw an opportunity to score a point and made yourself look stupid in the process. Lighten up, Francis. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/798 "2018-09-04T15:31:08Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > From the dept of education. > > [Do Districts Enrolling High Percentages of Minority Students Spend Less?](https://nces.ed.gov/pubs/web/97917.asp) > > There may be individual instances of shortchanging but that goes both ways. In the aggregate, minorities do not appear short changed. At least not by large margins. All that you posted only to appear as gullible as noted. What you cited was a study from 20 years ago. The studies I cited on the thread I referred to were more recent. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/799 "2018-09-04T15:31:43Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > "This requires a 4th claim that no one has made; that black special education schoolchildren receive more funding on a per capita basis than white special education > > This is also an error as I point out in post 787. Its not even particularly difficult logic. He just doesn’t grok it. That’s why I think he can’t be an economist. Since it’s so clearly an error, could you give a simple example? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/800 "2018-09-04T18:45:41Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > All that you posted only to appear as gullible as noted. > > What you cited was a study from 20 years ago. The studies I cited on the thread I referred to were more recent. Can you cross cite it here? Or should I look through 35 pages to find it? I didn’t see anything popup on google but maybe my google fu isn’t up to the task [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086.md?page=41)