# New York Times hires unapologetic racist writer **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2018, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086 "2018-08-04T10:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/881 "2018-09-07T19:30:37Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > It was also white people who abolished slavery. White people who got rid of Jim Crow. Did the Abolitionists and Civil Rights Activists succeed in their noble goals by spreading a “Fuck White People” message? Beside a past march to the sea by a guy called Sherman, where they really fucked over other white people,… Most of the abolitionists then had to run over the southerners that opposed the civil right acts later on. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/882 "2018-09-07T22:02:14Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > It was also white people who abolished slavery. White people who got rid of Jim Crow. Did the Abolitionists and Civil Rights Activists succeed in their noble goals by spreading a “Fuck White People” message? …It was also white people who voted for Donald Trump. It is white people who are running the country now. > [@](#): > > Has it occurred to you that some of these white guys might have been on your side if you weren’t hurling verbal abuse at them? Or should they sit there and smile while they get insulted because of their skin color? Maybe they should, but is it realistic to expect that from them? I’m going to hurl verbal abuse at you. You are a fucking coward. I wouldn’t expect you to sit there and smile. But did that make you suddenly want to vote for Donald Trump? Join the KKK? Start harassing women online about ethics in games journalism? If it didn’t, then maybe you could accept that people have agency, and that if people vote for Trump or decide to be arseholes that is their decision and their responsibility, not mine. I didn’t insult them because of their skin colour. I insulted them because they are fucking cowards. If they, like you, don’t understand nuance, then they, like you, are fucking idiots. > [@](#): > > The only identity I wish to claim for myself when discussing politics is “American Citizen.” The motto of this country is “E Pluribus Unum.” Out of many, one. We share a common bond of citizenship. We are one people. Not a collection of competing ethnic tribes in a zero sum contest for dominance. I’m not an American. I don’t live in America. This is a load of jingoistic white supremacist bullshit propaganda. > [@](#): > > Both the Alt-Right and the Identity Left don’t accept that. That’s my problem with identity politics (left and right). I’m not alt right and I’m not alt left and I don’t accept this nonsense. Because it is a load of jingoistic white supremacist bullshit propaganda. > [@](#): > > I’d prefer to focus on problems in the present, and work towards building a prosperous vision for the future, not ruminate over an old black and white photo of a lynching while you lecture me on my white privilege. At the present you have a white supremacist regime doing its fucking best to make America white again. I am focused on those problems. Because a fucked up America is a problem for the whole world. If you gave a fuck: if you had an ounce of integrity you would be focusing on the very same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/883 "2018-09-07T23:22:54Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > It was also white people who abolished slavery. White people who got rid of Jim Crow. _“Hey, after decades and centuries of committing horrific abuse we finally allowed ourselves to be shamed by resistance and protest into stopping most of the horrific abusive shit we were doing, albeit we had to be dragged kicking and screaming all the way! Why aren’t we getting credit for that, huh?! WAAAAAHHHHH WHERE IS MY COOKIE”_ ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/884 "2018-09-08T01:32:15Z")
Hubert Humphrey was dragged kicking and screaming? LBJ? :dubious: > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …It was also white people who voted for Donald Trump. It is white people who are running the country now. But huge numbers of white people voted for Hillary. If white people voted Republican in the same percentage black people vote Democratic, we would lose every election worse than Mondale or McGovern. Don’t encourage people to get into racial camps, or nonwhites will lose badly for the next few decades at least. Signing off for the weekend. Will check back Monday evening. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/885 "2018-09-08T02:38:19Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > But huge numbers of white people voted for Hillary. …that doesn’t negate my fucking point. Not enough white people voted for Hillary. Not enough white people recognized the clear and present threat Trump and his regime presented to marginalized communities. 53% of white women who voted voted for Trump. That statistic alone says it all. > [@](#): > > If white people voted Republican in the same percentage black people vote Democratic, we would lose every election worse than Mondale or McGovern. The Republicans control the executive and the legislature and they are doing their absolute best to take control of the judiciary. So whats your fucking point? Black people vote Democrat because they are fighting for their lives. And if white people give a damn then they would be voting Democrat at the next election as well. And to be clear I didn’t make that happen. Social Justice Warriors didn’t make this happen. The white people (that voted) didn’t overwhelmingly vote for Trump because we made them do it. They chose to do it. > [@](#): > > Don’t encourage people to get into racial camps, or nonwhites will lose badly for the next few decades at least. Nonwhites have been loosing badly in America since the birth of your nation. No matter what happens at the next election they will still be loosing badly for the next few decades at least. Its just a matter of scale. > [@](#): > > Signing off for the weekend. Will check back Monday evening. Don’t come back. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/886 "2018-09-08T13:45:48Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > _“Hey, after decades and centuries of committing horrific abuse we finally allowed ourselves to be shamed by resistance and protest into stopping most of the horrific abusive shit we were doing, albeit we had to be dragged kicking and screaming all the way! Why aren’t we getting credit for that, huh?! WAAAAAHHHHH WHERE IS MY COOKIE”_ African enslaved Africans. Arabs enslaved Africans. Native Americans enslaved Native Americans. Humans have had a long history of being shitty towards one another. Whites have been evil, but they aren’t uniquely evil. Considering that slavery has existed widely throughout many cultures since before the dawn of recorded history, and now it has been officially outlawed in every country on Earth, it’s worth a while to pause and reflect on this fact. That is **enormous** moral progress. Who did that? White people. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/887 "2018-09-08T13:48:30Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > African blacks enslaved African Blacks. Arabs enslaved African Blacks. Native Americans enslaved Native Americans. Humans have had a long history of being shitty towards one another. > > Considering that slavery has existed widely throughout many cultures since before the dawn of recorded history, and now it has been officially outlawed in every country on Earth, it’s worth a while to pause and reflect on this fact. That is **enormous** moral progress. Who did that? White people. Fuck you with this ahistorical nonsense. Black Americans were integral to the abolition of slavery in America. Further, _black Americans were always right about slavery_, and white Americans were wrong for a long time before a portion of them finally got it right (while another large portion continued to get it wrong for another century or longer). And American slavery was far, far more brutal than most other instances of historical slavery. If America had put black people in power from the beginning, slavery would have been gone from the beginning. White leaders were in office when slavery was abolished because _every political office-holder was white_ at the time. That’s a bad thing to be deplored, not a good thing to be celebrated. You’ve shown very little understanding of history in this thread, and you shouldn’t post anything about history without a very solid fact-based cite. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/888 "2018-09-08T15:32:27Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > …That is **enormous** moral progress. Who did that? White people. So, white people, by persuasion and moral argument, managed to sway everybody else that slavery was bad. A tough sell to black people, I suppose, so determined to keep the advantages they had gained from compulsory employment and aggressive recruitment. But after years of struggle, they managed to convince black people that slavery was wrong. Were white people the hammer and the anvil? Or were they the metal being formed, the sword being beaten to a plowshare? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/889 "2018-09-08T15:44:36Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > African enslaved Africans. Arabs enslaved Africans. Native Americans enslaved Native Americans. Humans have had a long history of being shitty towards one another. Whites have been evil, but they aren’t uniquely evil. > > Considering that slavery has existed widely throughout many cultures since before the dawn of recorded history, and now it has been officially outlawed in every country on Earth, it’s worth a while to pause and reflect on this fact. That is **enormous** moral progress. Who did that? White people. **SlackerInc** , does it bother you at all that your views are largely in the same vein as this guy’s? That you’re being lumped together with him in this thread, because you’re pushing mostly the same position? I’d be _intensely_ bothered by that, personally. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/890 "2018-09-08T15:53:03Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Not sure who this is aimed at, but in fact this is who we need to try to get: people who are not especially liberal and would probably be very happy with John Kasich, but find GOP extremism troubling and may be regretting their 2016 Trump vote. We need to roll out the welcome wagon for such people, not roll our eyes at them. Winning is everything in politics. We don’t need to set the barrier for agreement any higher than is necessary. They don’t have to agree with you 100% to vote for your candidates. We should welcome the Kasich supporter who voted for Trump into our camp. He doesn’t need to fall to his knees like Saul of Tarsus on the road to Damascus and confess his white privilege. We don’t need him to radically shift his world view. We just need him to vote Democratic. That’s it. This is politics, not religion. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/891 "2018-09-08T17:48:36Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Hubert Humphrey was dragged kicking and screaming? LBJ? :dubious: Those were the only two white people in the United States at the time? :dubious: > [@](#): > > But huge numbers of white people voted for Hillary. If white people voted Republican in the same percentage black people vote Democratic, we would lose every election worse than Mondale or McGovern. Don’t encourage people to get into racial camps, or nonwhites will lose badly for the next few decades at least. Well, as much as you would like to make it a racial fight, of a black vs white, that is not the case. Democratic ideas help white people as well. It is the fact that black people tend to be more impoverished than whites in general, and as such, tend to vote for the party that helps them, but it is more to to do with the fact that the republican party has become a party that embraces racism. And I don’t know what to tell you, if you are going to embrace racism, the democrats are not going to court your vote. You want the democrats to coddle the racists and beg them to vote for them, but that’s not going to happen, the racists will vote for the party that openly promotes their racial ideals, not the party that fights against racism. You are trying to make this some sort of either or, in that we should either be courting the white vote, or the black vote, when we are really just courting the votes of people who want to see us all work together to make this country a better place for everyone. If you do not want this, if your goal is to make this country a worse place for certain people you don’t like, then you do not belong in the democratic party. That may mean that democrats fail, if racism is more prevalent than was previously considered, but I’d rather fail and keep fighting against the problem, then to become part of the propagation of the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/892 "2018-09-09T20:59:40Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Sure, but I think it’s more funny to counter his moronic assertions with > > #cancelwhitepeople > Sometimes the comedic value of making a poster look stupid in the Pit outweighs the fruitfulness of an argument. You that I’m not the one that ends up looking stupid when you do this, right? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/893 "2018-09-09T21:08:30Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > People might not know this, but the reason you came on so aggressive is because I’ve spent so much time making fun of you. Specifically about how you don’t really seem to understand the posts you’re responding to. Wait so the only reason I’m criticizing your bad math is because you have made fun of me in the past? :dubious: If you have mocked me, it was not memorable. I don’t really think of you as an antagonist. I think of you as an idiot who pretends he knows things. You are one of the idiots that survive on this site bey virtue of this site having a liberal bias. There is a good number of you. You are not the dumbest among them but you are pretty close. > [@](#): > > I’ve even come up with mean nicknames for you, like **Captain 20%** , which was based on a scientific analysis I did of your posts, where you were only actually responding to something written in the post 20% of the time (and 80% of the time you were off on some weird tangent that made it clear you had no idea what you were responding to). I don’t remember this. I doubt anyone else does either. > [@](#): > > This post would be a good example. Are you at all aware that nothing you wrote had anything to do with the post you quoted? You mean where you make a simple math error and then insist you did not? You’re very bad at this. If you really value your beliefs, the best thing you can do is shut up and stop hurting your own cause. > [@](#): > > It’s a pity that political correctness has made it wrong to use the word retarded. Because I think you’re fucking retarded. Says the guy who can’t do simple math. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/894 "2018-09-09T21:15:15Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > You wouldn’t think so, but you managed it. Well, considering that I’m not the only one that did so, maybe you should be directing your ire at the other posters who pointed out that even though they disagree with everything I say, they agree that your math is wrong. > [@](#): > > I think you’re pretty unique in your ability to read posts. That’s weird because at least two other posters here seem to read it the same way as I do. You are simply trying to rewrite what you actually wrote because you are starting to develop a reputation for being wrong a lot and being on the liberal side of the argument is no longer really shielding you from the contempt of others. > [@](#): > > In all seriousness, **Damuri** , I’m not sure that a text-based medium is the right choice for you. I get paid to read and write. Do you even have a job? I know this is the pit but even here people appreciate some thought being put behind posts. This isn’t Yahoo Boards where people will flock to you just because you espouse political beliefs they agree with. It buys you a little bit because this board is very liberal but not enough to cover all your bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/895 "2018-09-09T21:19:07Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Damuri, do you think EE is getting weaselly and trying to deny what he actually claimed because it’s so embarrassing for him now that he’s realized how off he was? Or is he so confused that he believes the bullshit he’s peddling now? I go with “weaselly and desperate to avoid further humiliation”—what about you? I agree. He is one of the mass of dumb liberals that manage to survive on this board purely due to the fact that this is such a hospitable environment for liberals that even the darwin award winners survive here. He probably realizes that liberal idiots survive here where conservative idiots get burned into carbon dust, he doesn’t want to believe he is one of those liberal idiots. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/896 "2018-09-09T21:22:05Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > The real world negative impact is that it invokes a defensive reaction from white people, which drives them towards Republicans and away from Democrats. Republicans holding political power hurts minorities. Millions of people losing their health insurance hurts people of color. If the Republicans succeed at repealing the ACA, many tens of thousands will die premature deaths. There are negative consequences here beyond just hurting white people’s feelings. The problem is that they really don’t care. They have (like the conservative idiots) become tribalistic about it. They merely want the affirmation of other liberals. They want to shout into the echo chamber. They’re mostly stupid. You can’t really sit there and scream “all racism/discrimination/bigotry is evil” immediately followed by “unless its against white people” ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/897 "2018-09-09T21:23:27Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Really. > > “I’m outraged. A woman on twitter said #cancelwhitepeople! I’m going to switch parties to Republican now even though before that nasty woman said #cancelwhitepeople, I stood for everything that Democrats stood for. Now, that insult makes me completely change my feelings toward the Democratic platform!” > > Yeah, a person who does that is a fragile, insecure moron. This has been going on for about 25 years. Its starting to reach a tipping point. Trump is your fault. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/898 "2018-09-09T21:27:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Saying #cancelwhite people is not good political strategy. But it wasn’t political strategy – it was a sarcastic tweet in response to racist trolling that the tweeter now regrets. It’s only anything close to a big deal because some alt-right bigots thought it would make a good target to own the libs. Unfortunately, some ostensible libs seem eager to help those alt-right bigots win rhetorical media victories. Do you have a link showing this as a response to racist trolling? Or did the racist trolling happen one thread and then the #cancelwhitepeople happen on at another time? Can I start saying racist shit about black people because some black people were mean to me on the internet? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/899 "2018-09-09T21:31:00Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Beats me. How much money did Clinton raise and spend? She would have had the same result had she spent nothing. Well yes, so would have every other candidate that lost. Clinton would simply have lost by more. > [@](#): > > On a more serious note, a lot of people don’t look for stuff online. The only way positions can be communicated to these people is through traditional media. And that costs money. Elections are decided by very slim margins. How many votes exactly are you willing to concede to the Republicans just so you can “roll your eyes” at moderates? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/900 "2018-09-09T21:34:04Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …It was also white people who voted for Donald Trump. It is white people who are running the country now. > > I’m going to hurl verbal abuse at you. > > You are a fucking coward. > > I wouldn’t expect you to sit there and smile. > > But did that make you suddenly want to vote for Donald Trump? Join the KKK? Start harassing women online about ethics in games journalism? > > If it didn’t, then maybe you could accept that people have agency, and that if people vote for Trump or decide to be arseholes that is their decision and their responsibility, not mine. > > I didn’t insult them because of their skin colour. I insulted them because they are fucking cowards. If they, like you, don’t understand nuance, then they, like you, are fucking idiots. > > I’m not an American. I don’t live in America. This is a load of jingoistic white supremacist bullshit propaganda. > > I’m not alt right and I’m not alt left and I don’t accept this nonsense. Because it is a load of jingoistic white supremacist bullshit propaganda. > > At the present you have a white supremacist regime doing its fucking best to make America white again. I am focused on those problems. Because a fucked up America is a problem for the whole world. If you gave a fuck: if you had an ounce of integrity you would be focusing on the very same thing. You don’t need Donald Trump in office to nominate justices like Gorsuch and Cavanaugh. Kasich, Romney, and Rubio would all have done the same thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086.md?page=44) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086.md?page=46)