# New York Times hires unapologetic racist writer **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2018, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086 "2018-08-04T10:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![JVDaly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/edb3f5/32.png) [@JVDaly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JVDaly)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/81 "2018-08-05T05:29:28Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …52% of white women voted for Donald Trump. > > An entirely reasonable exclamation, in my humble opinion. Then you are racist, too. Firstly, it’s racist to say “Fuck \”, even if a slim majority of them do something you don’t like. It’s doubly racist when you consider that 52% of white women DIDN’T vote for Trump. 52% of white women _who went out to vote voted Trump_. Big difference. All in all, a minority of white women voted for Trump. It’s triply racist when you consider that Jeong made that tweet in July 2016, 4 months before the election, when she had no way of knowing how white women would vote. Verdict: Racist. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/82 "2018-08-05T05:32:35Z")
> [@JVDaly](#): > > Then you are racist, too. …coming from a racist scumbag like you I will gracefully accept the title and wear it like a badge of honor. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/83 "2018-08-05T05:36:14Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …52% of white women voted for Donald Trump. > > An entirely reasonable exclamation, in my humble opinion. Does it have to be over 50% to condemn the whole group as Trump-enablers? I mean, almost 50% of non-LGBT people voted for Trump. Fuck straight people! A third of Latinos is pretty damning. Fuck Latinos. I mean, 12% of black men has me asking questions, surely the other 88% bear some responsibility for that. And at least some of them must be straight, right? Fuck em! Lol. [Fuck everyone!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnRkCemeV7k) ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/84 "2018-08-05T05:37:24Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > [Fuck everyone!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnRkCemeV7k) …I’m not disagreeing. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/85 "2018-08-05T05:46:52Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …I’m not disagreeing. You’re not disagreeing with the rhetorical subtext that you’re a fucking idiot, and that the people responsible for Trump are the people who actually voted for him, not the entirety of some other arbitrary cross-section of society that partially intersects with Trump voters? ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/86 "2018-08-05T05:51:46Z")
At worst she is racist. At best she is very foolish. Neither is a good place to be. Grow a thicker hide for fucks sake. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/87 "2018-08-05T05:51:54Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > You’re not disagreeing with the rhetorical subtext that you’re a fucking idiot, …aren’t you a fucking peach! > [@](#): > > and that the people responsible for Trump are the people who actually voted for him, Yes I hold the people that voted for Trump responsible for Trump. > [@](#): > > not the entirety of some other arbitrary cross-section of society that partially intersects with Trump voters? Arbitrary? I think not. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/88 "2018-08-05T05:53:47Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > I think not. You don’t, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/89 "2018-08-05T05:54:31Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > You don’t, do you? …I just said “I think not.” Do you need more clarification? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/90 "2018-08-05T06:01:49Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > No, I’m pointing out that “she’s only slightly racist, other racists are much worse” is not a sound defense. It’s not as though there’s some finite pool of energy that the human race can expend in not being racist. She _should_ stop the divisive “white people” rhetoric. Of course there’s a finite pool of energy people can expend on the problem. If nothing else, people only have twenty-four hours in a day. I think it makes sense to organize a protest against excessive police violence against black suspects before a protest against the low number of Oscar nominations for black actors. I’m not denying these are both problems but they’re not problems of equal importance. ---
**Author:** ![JVDaly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/edb3f5/32.png) [@JVDaly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JVDaly)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/91 "2018-08-05T06:06:40Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …coming from a racist scumbag like you I will gracefully accept the title and wear it like a badge of honor. This makes no sense. Firstly, I’m not racist, and I’ve never posted anything that would lead a fair minded person to conclude that I am, so fuck you for that. Secondly, even if I _was_ racist, in what universe would it be a _good_ thing for a non-racist to be called racist by a racist. You do realise that what you’re effectively saying is _“I’m honoured to be as racist as a racist”_, right? So either you don’t think I’m a racist and your previous post was just one big brain fart, or you’ve just spectacularly owned yourself. Sounds to me like you’re just flailing because you want the last word. Also, just to reiterate, Jeong’s “fuck white women lol” tweet was racist and if you defend it then you’re a racist as well. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/92 "2018-08-05T06:13:38Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …I just said “I think not.” > > Do you need more clarification? I agreed that you think not, but my sadly my humor was wasted. Anyway, how does this non-arbitrary system of collective responsibility (that bears no resemblance whatsoever to racism) work exactly? How do we determine the relevant social groups to condemn collectively for the actions of some of their members? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/93 "2018-08-05T06:20:54Z")
> [@JVDaly](#): > > This makes no sense. Firstly, I’m not racist, and I’ve never posted anything that would lead a fair minded person to conclude that I am, so fuck you for that. …of course you have. > [@Living while black in America](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/510): > > The most powerful person on the planet is a stupid cunt. Huey Freeman doesn’t need this stupid cunt’s approval to protest, and it’s dishonest for him (and you) to pretend that he does. > > What should Huey do? Huey should do what Huey thinks is right. Simple. > > This whole “living whole black” thing is overblown anyway. There are 350 million people in the USA. 250 million are white, 44 million are black, 1 million are cops, and these cops get about 270 million calls a year. The law of large numbers guarantees that some of those calls will be made by crazy, paranoid white people about black people. But it also guarantees that some of those calls will be made by crazy, paranoid white peoples about other white people. But “Crazy white guy calls cops on other white guy” isn’t exactly news. So you don’t get to hear about it. > > They’re not fighting for their lives. This isn’t Syria. Don’t be ridiculous. Its not racist in the using the “zero-tolerance” methodology. It is racist using the real world methodology. You dismiss the experiences and the words of black people. You don’t fucking care. Jeong has done more to fight for the rights of the marginalized than you will ever fucking do. And when push comes to shove, when I’ve got to make a choice of being on your side or being on hers I’m going to choose her side every single fucking time. And if that makes me a “racist” then so be it. And fuck you right back. > [@](#): > > Secondly, even if I _was_ racist, in what universe would it be a _good_ thing for a non-racist to be called racist by a racist. You do realise that what you’re effectively saying is _“I’m honoured to be as racist as a racist”_, right? So either you don’t think I’m a racist and your previous post was just one big brain fart, or you’ve just spectacularly owned yourself. Because to be called a racist by a racist means I’ve leveled up! > [@](#): > > Sounds to me like you’re just flailing because you want the last word. Fuck off you stupid piece of shit. > [@](#): > > Also, just to reiterate, Jeong’s “fuck white women lol” tweet was racist and if you defend it then you’re a racist as well. And as I’ve told you if that’s the case then I will wear the badge “racist” as a badge of honor. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/94 "2018-08-05T06:31:17Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > And as I’ve told you if that’s the case then I will wear the badge “racist” as a badge of honor. Well, if you’re sincere about standing behind this statement, get a t-shirt made up saying “fuck white women lol” and wear it around town, then _everyone_ will know where you stand on the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/95 "2018-08-05T08:05:47Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Anyway, how does this non-arbitrary system of collective responsibility (that bears no resemblance whatsoever to racism) work exactly? How do we determine the relevant social groups to condemn collectively for the actions of some of their members? …I think a bit of context is important. > > [@](#): > > NC: women of color are going to be the reason Donald Trump won’t be president. > > Jeong: god i hope so > > NC: he had a slight lead among white women last I checked. though it was smaller than Romney’s over Obama w/ white women. > > Jeong: i mean, i hope he gets defeated. (and fuck white women lol) > > NC: honestly the last thing I saw was late May, but still. he was winning white women. > > Jeong: huh, yeah, the first poll i found via google is from may > > NC: even if he loses among white women it’s going to be depressingly, distressingly close > > Jeong: it would be nice to see white women finally swing blue but also, like, is this what it took > > NC they voted for Romney 56% to 42% lol It was an informal discussion between a couple of friends about the up-coming election. That white women were trending voting for Trump, the margins for the next election were going to be tight, and if white women voted they way they always voted then it will be enough to push the election Trumps way. And that is exactly what happened. So your question really misses the point. Its not about assigning responsibility but acknowledging reality. > [@](#): > > Well, if you’re sincere about standing behind this statement, get a t-shirt made up saying “fuck white women lol” and wear it around town, then everyone will know where you stand on the issue. LOL. You make it sound like this would be something I would be scared to do. I wouldn’t wear the shirt because wearing T-shirts with swear words on it in public isn’t a very polite thing to do. But I’d have no fundamental objection to it. But if I were to wear a T-shirt I’d wear a version in context, because cherry-picking quotes out-of-context is bad, so it would look more like this: > [@](#): > > NC: women of color are going to be the reason Donald Trump won’t be president. > > Jeong: god i hope so > > NC: he had a slight lead among white women last I checked. though it was smaller than Romney’s over Obama w/ white women. > > Jeong: i mean, i hope he gets defeated. (and fuck white women lol) > > NC: honestly the last thing I saw was late May, but still. he was winning white women. > > Jeong: huh, yeah, the first poll i found via google is from may > > NC: even if he loses among white women it’s going to be depressingly, distressingly close > > Jeong: it would be nice to see white women finally swing blue but also, like, is this what it took > > NC they voted for Romney 56% to 42% lol Probably in a really tiny font. ---
**Author:** ![JVDaly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/edb3f5/32.png) [@JVDaly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JVDaly)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/96 "2018-08-05T08:18:54Z")
> [@Banquet Bear](#): > > Its not racist in the using the “zero-tolerance” methodology. It is racist using the real world methodology. You dismiss the experiences and the words of black people. You don’t fucking care. Jeong has done more to fight for the rights of the marginalized than you will ever fucking do. And when push comes to shove, when I’ve got to make a choice of being on your side or being on hers I’m going to choose her side every single fucking time. And if that makes me a “racist” then so be it. I’m not dismissing the experiences of anyone. I’ve not denied any of the incidents in this thread. Nor have I downplayed their severity. All I did was disagree with your bizarre notion that a few dozen (mostly minor) incidents over a time period of several months in a nation of _three hundred and fifty million people_, constitutes good evidence that black Americans are under fucking siege. Especially when viewed in isolation and without _any_ sort of statistical controls. And you know what? I’m right. It _is_ lousy evidence, and pointing this out doesn’t make me a racist. And even if it did, guess what…_it’s not as racist as saying “fuck white women”!_ But by all means, please keep on beclowning yourself. There are few things funnier than watching a keyboard warrior who considers himself woke accidentally out himself as a misogynistic racist. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/97 "2018-08-05T08:30:25Z")
> [@JVDaly](#): > > I’m not dismissing the experiences of anyone. I’ve not denied any of the incidents in this thread. Nor have I downplayed their severity. All I did was disagree with your bizarre notion that **a few dozen (mostly minor) incidents** over a time period of several months in a nation of _three hundred and fifty million people_, constitutes good evidence that black Americans are under fucking siege. Especially when viewed in isolation and without _any_ sort of statistical controls. And you know what? I’m right. It _is_ lousy evidence, and pointing this out doesn’t make me a racist. And even if it did, guess what…_it’s not as racist as saying “fuck white women”!_ …a few dozen (mostly minor) incidents? But you aren’t dismissing the experiences of black people? And you are here, calling me a racist? Fuck off with that bullshit. Just fuck off. > [@](#): > > But by all means, please keep on beclowning yourself. There are few things funnier than watching a keyboard warrior who considers himself woke accidentally out himself as a misogynistic racist. Nah. You are the racist. And it wouldn’t surprise me if you were a misogynistic racist as well. I’m what is commonly known as a Social Justice Warrior. If you are gonna call me names, at least get it right. ---
**Author:** ![JVDaly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/edb3f5/32.png) [@JVDaly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JVDaly)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/98 "2018-08-05T08:43:41Z")
> [@Banquet Bear](#): > > …a few dozen (mostly minor) incidents? But you aren’t dismissing the experiences of black people? And you are here, calling me a racist? > > Fuck off with that bullshit. Just fuck off. I’m accurately describing the majority of incidents cited in this thread. Most of them _are_ minor. In most of them, no-one was hurt and the perpetrators got their comeuppance. That’s pretty much the textbook definition of a minor incident. Also, point of order: I’m not calling you a racist. I’m calling you a _misogynistic_ racist. And I’m calling you a misogynistic racist because, when I pointed out that Saint Sarah had said “fuck white women lol”, you _agreed with her!_. And now, instead of apologising, you’re hand waving and trying to cloud the issue by citing utterly irrelevant “context” that doesn’t make what she said any less vile. You’re a scumbag. And I’m not gonna fuck off. You very much strike me as the kind of person who goes nuts if he doesn’t get the last word, and I think it will amuse me to deny you that 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/99 "2018-08-05T08:50:43Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Thank God somebody is finally speaking up for white men after all the oppression we’ve had to endure throughout history. Sorry, but just because a group used to enjoy a position of superiority doesn’t mean that it’s right to now discriminate against them. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/100 "2018-08-05T09:01:09Z")
> [@JVDaly](#): > > I’m accurately describing the majority of incidents cited in this thread. …I’m not talking about just the incidents just in “that thread.” > [@](#): > > Most of them _are_ minor. “Minor” is subjective. > [@](#): > > In most of them, no-one was hurt and the perpetrators got their comeuppance. That’s pretty much the textbook definition of a minor incident. Its nice that you’ve managed to condense the entirety of black existence down to a few incidents where no-one was hurt and the perpetrators got their comeuppance. But that isn’t fucking reality. Here’s the thing. You are the fucking problem. I disagree with the OP, I disagree with Riemann, but I understand where they are coming from. You on the other hand? You know exactly what you are doing. You are fucking scum. You are fake. You are pretend. You don’t fucking care about racism. You are a troll. You will flip/flop in whatever directions the talking points take you. You aren’t real. You have no conviction. I can see right through you. > [@](#): > > Also, point of order: I’m not calling you a racist. I’m calling you a _misogynistic_ racist. And I’m calling you a misogynistic racist because, when I pointed out that Saint Sarah had said “fuck white women lol”, you _agreed with her!_. And now, instead of apologising, you’re hand waving and trying to cloud the issue by citing utterly irrelevant “context” that doesn’t make what she said any less vile. You’re a scumbag. I’ve got nothing to say sorry for. Especially to a racist prick like you. > [@](#): > > And I’m not gonna fuck off. What a shame for humanity. > [@](#): > > You very much strike me as the kind of person who goes nuts if he doesn’t get the last word, and I think it will amuse me to deny you that 🙂 ROFL!!! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086.md?page=6)