# New York Times hires unapologetic racist writer **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2018, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086 "2018-08-04T10:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1001 "2018-09-13T03:11:13Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Yeah. Quit while you’re behind. At this point, the only person you’ve got in your corner is **Damuri** , which is as clear a indicator that you’re making a fool of yourself as you can ask for. Put up or STFU, jackass. If I made a single logical or mathematical error in post #942, I’m sure you can point it out, right? Here you go: [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21202412&postcount=942](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21202412&postcount=942) Mathematical/logical validity is not based on a popular vote, thank goodness. But how sad that a moderator on the SDMB of all places is advocating that it should be! I guess this place really is going to shit. > [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > If the main point of disagreement is what the figures are in reality, well, I have no real insight there. No, this is what EE (and GIGO) would like to shift the emphasis to. But the fundamental error was logical/mathematical, and is erroneous regardless of what the figures are in empirical reality. See post 942, which I linked for Miller just above. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1002 "2018-09-13T03:32:33Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > u mad bro? …well thank fuck. You finally seem to have run out of words. Does this you are going to do us all a big fucking favour and shut-the-fuck-up? > [@](#): > > Yes The Sarah Jeongs of the world are driving the liberal agenda. Prove it. I’ve just checked my facebook feed, just as you suggested, and no Sarah Jeong is not driving the liberal agenda. > [@](#): > > They are ruining liberalism. No they fucking aren’t. > [@](#): > > Its becoming more about feelings and anecdote rather than facts and reason. Says the guy who cited his personal facebook feed. > [@](#): > > Conservatives used to be the party that was immune to fact. There is a good case to be made that it is the liberals now. :: looks around :: No you can’t make that case. The President of the United States of America tells an average of 5 lies a day. And the conservatives that support the president are fine with that. You can’t point to anybody that pushes “the liberal agenda” that comes close to spinning the weave of lies and propaganda that the conservatives are pushing at this very moment in time. > [@](#): > > People like you are responsible for the Trumps of the world. Fuck that shit. And fuck you. > [@](#): > > If a fascist regime blossoms in your country it will be because of people like you. :: looks around :: We’ve got a centre-left coalition government, one third of which is a progressive green party. We have our third woman prime-minster, only the second current-generation-world-leader to give birth while in office, and she just had six-weeks-off-work with paid parental leave. We had a couple of alt-right provocateurs try to give a speech in this country a couple of months ago but they couldn’t: because no venue would allow them to speak there. We drove the fuckers off. So we won’t allow a fascist regime to blossom in our country. And we won’t allow it because we speak up against it and we fight against it and we don’t allow it and we don’t tolerate it. Because that is how its supposed to work. If you are voting for the white supremacists its because you think the white supremacists have something to offer you. You have to fight. You cannot yield. And telling people to “shut up” is telling people to stand back and to let the fascists bloom. > [@](#): > > Congratulations, you’ve nerdraged us into hell. I’m doing fine thanks. Not going to hell, not dragging you to hell. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1003 "2018-09-13T03:34:46Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Put up or STFU, jackass. If I made a single logical or mathematical error in post #942, I’m sure you can point it out, right? Here you go: > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21202412&postcount=942](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21202412&postcount=942) He doesn’t need to take the time to read through your dumb shit. I took that one for the team in post [944](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21202492&postcount=944). > [@](#): > > See post 942, which I linked for Miller just above. Nah, for a real example of logic, see SlackerInc’s post [934](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21202228&postcount=934). ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1004 "2018-09-13T03:36:24Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Put up or STFU, jackass. If I made a single logical or mathematical error in post #942… I think you meant to link to post [948](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21202542&postcount=948) ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1005 "2018-09-13T04:17:06Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I think you meant to link to post [948](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21202542&postcount=948) So…that was your weird roid-ragey-aggro way of saying “sorry, when I said we agreed to treat SpEd funding as equal, I meant federal only”? Mmmkay. There are still problems with that, but I will let it slide because I’m not trying to let you distract from how deeply your innumeracy was exposed in post #942. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1006 "2018-09-13T04:24:33Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > No, this is what EE (and GIGO) would like to shift the emphasis to. But the fundamental error was logical/mathematical, and is erroneous regardless of what the figures are in empirical reality. So, I take it that you do believe that Velikowski was right? 😃 Really, as pointed before, your logic/math can work in lalaland; but the bottom line is that in the USA there are many districts that are short-changing large percentages of low-income and minority students. So logic tell us that the numbers you are plugging are that: fantasy, or that it misleads by concentrating on specific areas of funding that were not the main issue. Your logic does work in fiction, but not for the issue at hand. You started this distraction in the other thread by implying that minorities got the same funding, well that is not really the case. And so the other implication from Murray and their ilk, that genes explain the gap in student performance better, was also undermined. I guess that just like Velikowski it is more beautiful to add numbers that in the end are not the main issue, but what was important to Velikowski was that his numbers showed that planets could do what he wanted. But the real numbers, that describe how the orbits and matter of the planets actually behave, show how foolish is to maintain that course. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1007 "2018-09-13T04:25:07Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > And Paranoid Randroid. Don’t for get him. > > I can point to several posts where I have admitted error in the past. Can you? Yes. Easily. [Example here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20954255&postcount=678). Now your turn. Admit error for one of the following: [This one](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21203062&postcount=976), where you misunderstand my post about how you frequently misunderstand people’s posts Or [this one](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21202340&postcount=941), where you fail to convert a word problem into a math equation while claiming that I don’t understand how to convert word problems into math equations. Those are both great posts, by the way. The one where you misunderstand my post about how you frequently misunderstand people’s posts is just a wonderful display of retardation. > [@](#): > > I will never convince you of anything regardless of the facts and everyone else already knows you are an idiot. I won’t be wasting my time with you anymore. I guess I just took too much offense at your user name and didn’t realize you were probably just some barista who read a wiki article on economics once. Uh huh. Once again you have failed to link to my post where this supposed “error” exists. Gosh, I wonder why…oh, I know, it’s because you went back and looked at it, realized I didn’t actually make a mistake, and you’re too embarrassed to admit it. Prove me wrong–go back to the post where I made my supposed “error”, and cite the so-called error. Let’s be honest with each other–you’re not going to do it. Because you know you’re wrong, and actually citing my post will demonstrate your extended stupidity. And now you’re in so deep that you can’t back down. Sad. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1008 "2018-09-13T04:43:49Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > So…that was your weird roid-ragey-aggro way of saying “sorry, when I said we agreed to treat SpEd funding as equal, I meant federal only”? Mmmkay. There are still problems with that, but I will let it slide because I’m not trying to let you distract from how deeply your innumeracy was exposed in post #942. No, post [948](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21202542&postcount=948)was me making fun of you for making an incredibly stupid math error in a post where you thought you’d caught me making a math error. And not just any math error: the exact same math error you’ve been making since April. The one that people have been explaining to you for literally months. Literally. If it were a play it would be called “The Severely Retarded Message-board Poster”: ```auto *ENTER SCENE* EE: [EE thinks he's having a conversation with a person of normal intellect]: I say, if black schoolchildren receive less per capita funding than white schoolchildren, and then you give an equal amount of SpEd funding to all SpEd students, then black SpEd students will be receiving less funding than white SpEd students. Slacker [Slacker is severely retarded]: I have you sir! You earlier claimed that all SpEd students received the same amount of SpEd funding. But now you are claiming that black SpEd students receive less funding than white SpEd students! This is a contradiction. You have made an error! You don't understand math! or averages! EE: By Jove, I suspect you may be severely retarded. .....[7 MONTHS PASS]...... EE: Remember that conversation we had 7 months ago? Now that you have had time to think on it I think you will agree that, given the facts, black SpEd students receive less funding than white SpEd students. Slacker [Slacker is still, unsurprisingly, severely retarded]: Ah ha!, I have caught you in a math error! You earlier claimed that all SpEd students received the same amount of SpEd funding. But now you are claiming that black SpEd students receive less funding than white SpEd students! This is a contradiction. You have made an error! You don't understand math! or averages! EE [EE is desperately looking for an exit] Slacker [Yep, still severely retarded]: Math error! Doesn't understand averages! My doorknob has become stuck in my anus! [AND END SCENE] ``` ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1009 "2018-09-13T06:24:14Z")
Keep on desperately trying to distract and project strength, EE. [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21202412&postcount=942](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21202412&postcount=942) ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1010 "2018-09-13T10:02:47Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I’m not condoning anything. I just don’t care that a non-government official says #cancelwhitepeople on Twitter. It’s not so much Sarah Jeong herself that worries me, it’s the left’s _response_ to the Sarah Jeong controversy. The left wing media has circled the wagons to defend Jeong’s right to viciously bash white people. But when [James Damore](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google%27s_Ideological_Echo_Chamber), a white man at Google writes a politely worded and well reasoned memo critiquing Google’s diversity policies, he’s fired from his job. The left wing media cackles with glee. Blatant hypocrisy and double standards bother me. This is a canary in the coal mine moment for me. An early warning sign of danger that we ignore at our peril. > [@](#): > > Is it going to make my life as a white person any harder? Nope. Will it make any white person’s life harder? Nope. > > Meh, I say. Meh. If progressive culture doesn’t welcome white people, and actively repels them, that will lead to Republicans winning. I rely on the Affordable Care Act to afford health insurance. I’m white. That will make my life harder. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1011 "2018-09-13T10:35:02Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > If progressive culture doesn’t welcome white people, and actively repels them, that will lead to Republicans winning. I rely on the Affordable Care Act to afford health insurance. I’m white. That will make my life harder. Then not to worry – progressive culture is extremely welcoming to white people. There are millions of white progressives. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1012 "2018-09-13T12:34:04Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Then not to worry – progressive culture is extremely welcoming to white people. There are millions of white progressives. The truth of the second sentence does not prove the truth of the first. “In spite of” is a phrase that fits IMO. Plus it’s not white progressives we risk losing but white moderates. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1013 "2018-09-13T13:01:22Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Well, don’t get upset if Trump wins another term and we get a 7-2 conservative SCOTUS after Ginsberg and Breyer leave. Okay, it’s a deal. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1014 "2018-09-13T13:05:38Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > If progressive culture doesn’t welcome white people, and actively repels them, that will lead to Republicans winning. I rely on the Affordable Care Act to afford health insurance. I’m white. That will make my life harder. That’s exactly my point. If you depend on the Affordable Care Act, then if you vote Republican because a person was mean to you on Twitter, you DESERVE to lose your health insurance. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1015 "2018-09-13T13:07:32Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Don’t you have a facebook feed? I don’t have a study to show you. Facebook feed? Really? You think your fucking Facebook feed is some sort of proof of anything? You can’t possibly be serious with this. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1016 "2018-09-13T13:50:13Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > That’s exactly my point. If you depend on the Affordable Care Act, then if you vote Republican because a person was mean to you on Twitter, you DESERVE to lose your health insurance. That doesn’t scan. Just because Blalron depends on Obamacare, that doesn’t mean the swing voters we worry about necessarily do. I would bet serious money a lot of my wife’s married, middle-aged white male colleagues who teach at the same high school she does fall into this category. And they have the same, fairly decent health plan she has for our whole family. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1017 "2018-09-13T13:54:33Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You mean Mel’s diner? Yes, that’s exactly right. When I referred specifically to Alice’s Restaurant, I _precisely_ meant Mel’s Diner. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > If this isn’t about jeong then who is the unapologetic racist writer? She’s not unapologetic, she’s not racist, and despite its title, the thread is very obviously not about her. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1018 "2018-09-13T13:58:25Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Yes, that’s exactly right. When I referred specifically to Alice’s Restaurant, I _precisely_ meant Mel’s Diner. :rolleyes: I grew up in a family that loved Arlo Guthrie, but it’s not that unreasonable to take the other interpretation given that the titular character of the film “Alice Doesn’t Live Here Anymore” and the hit TV adaptation “Alice” worked at Mel’s diner. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1019 "2018-09-13T14:13:18Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > That doesn’t scan. Just because Blalron depends on Obamacare, that doesn’t mean the swing voters we worry about necessarily do. I would bet serious money a lot of my wife’s married, middle-aged white male colleagues who teach at the same high school she does fall into this category. And they have the same, fairly decent health plan she has for our whole family. Sure it does. If Blalron depends on Obamacare, and votes for the party who wants to repeal Obamacare, then he is an idiot. Blaming mean people on Twitter for your own idiocy is moronic. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1020 "2018-09-13T14:13:23Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I grew up in a family that loved Arlo Guthrie, but it’s not that unreasonable to take the other interpretation given that the titular character of the film “Alice Doesn’t Live Here Anymore” and the hit TV adaptation “Alice” worked at Mel’s diner. Not unreasonable? After naming the artist, including a direct quotation from the song, and referencing the Vietnam War? Sure, ok. Perhaps not unreasonable. Just ignorant and unwilling–or unable–to read for context. Which, now that I consider it, certainly appears to be the real subject of this thread. . [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086.md?page=52)