# New York Times hires unapologetic racist writer **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2018, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086 "2018-08-04T10:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1041 "2018-09-13T18:33:32Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Then you should have said “social media generally” > > Not change it after your original thought makes you look foolish. No, facebook is an absolutely reasonable example of social media. You’re starting to engage in pettifoggery. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1042 "2018-09-13T18:34:42Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > No they won’t. They just want an excuse to tell people why they voted for Trump. Because they are morons. Yes, morons who voted for Obama twice before they voted for Obama. Were they morons then too? Kind of like how Julian Assange was a hero when he gave us info on Bush but a traitor when he gave us info on Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1043 "2018-09-13T18:37:05Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Hm. On the one hand, I have the opinions of her employer, her former employer, her other former employer, her white friends, and anyone who reads for context… > > …and on the other hand, there’s you, attempting to shut someone up by “accusing her of racism.” An action which, you might remember, you just decried. > > Yeah, sorry. Going with “not a racist.” Not trying to convince you. You’re likely a lost cause. too deeply immersed in the cool aid. You’re probably STILL wondering how rump won that election. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1044 "2018-09-13T18:38:38Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Because she’s not a racist, despite your attempts to shut her up. > > eta: > > Ah. So it’s fine when _you_ do it. :rolleyes: > . What racism against whites am I tolerating? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1045 "2018-09-13T18:42:46Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Yes, but they are not driving the conversations about race. The crit race theorists are. > > Police shoot blacks at about 2.5 times the rate they shoot whites. Blacks have a poverty rate about 3 times as high as whites. There are population distribution issues and things like that but once you take SES into account the gross disparities get a lot harder to see. No cite there, so I’ll respond with my own cite-free data (I’ve started a thread about it, I think, and I’ll cite when I’m able) – police shoot 21 times as many young black men as young white men despite young black men only having about ~6-8 times the murder rate. Further, 50% of black people report being mistreated personally by law enforcement. That’s more than enough data to provide legitimate reasons for distrust of law enforcement. > [@](#): > > People on this thread are. Why hasn’t she been fired? Because people rallied around her. Because people rightfully recognized it as virtually nothing, as it was in response to horrible shit on twitter. > [@](#): > > That is very naïve. Accusations of racism, like accusations of rape and wife beating mar a person’s reputation. It is absolutely used to shut people up in debate. Are you kidding? > > I’m talking about liberals being shut down by accusations of racism. The crit race theorists are hijacking the liberal movement by accusing liberals that don’t agree with them of being racist. People on this board frequently uses accusations of racism to shut people up, and this board is ANOYNYMOUS. Accusations of racism are never going to shut up actual racists. I’ve been called racist and I haven’t shut up. If anyone’s been “shut up”, it’s because they shut themselves up. This is almost entirely nonsense. It’s just an excuse to whine about criticism. Hell, you’ve been called racist and you haven’t shut up. Do you have a single example of someone being shut up? ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1046 "2018-09-13T18:45:38Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > She apologized on August 2nd. This thread wasn’t started until August 4th. It was a non-apology apology. She didn’t acknowledge her posts as racist, instead hiding behind “countertrolling” and “satire” as an excuse for her hateful tweets. Unless she apologizes for her racism, I’m still going to call her an unapologetic racist. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1047 "2018-09-13T18:49:12Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > It was a non-apology apology. She didn’t acknowledge her posts as racist, instead hiding behind “countertrolling” and “satire” as an excuse for her hateful tweets. Unless she apologizes for her racism, I’m still going to call her an unapologetic racist. Sure. You can call her anything you want. Have fun with it! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1048 "2018-09-13T18:49:19Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > It was a non-apology apology. She didn’t acknowledge her posts as racist, instead hiding behind “countertrolling” and “satire” as an excuse for her hateful tweets. Unless she apologizes for her racism, I’m still going to call her an unapologetic racist. When the only racism you post about (that I’ve seen, anyway - please correct me if I’m wrong) is supposedly anti white racism, it makes me suspect you don’t really understand or care about racism in the real world, which harms people of color orders of magnitude more than white people. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1049 "2018-09-13T18:50:23Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Yes, morons who voted for Obama twice before they voted for Obama. I tried looking for past elections where Obama ran against Trump. I wasn’t able to find any. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1050 "2018-09-13T18:52:25Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > No, facebook is an absolutely reasonable example of social media. You’re starting to engage in pettifoggery. You are correct. Facebook is an absolutely reasonable example of social media. However, an individual’s Facebook feed is piss-poor example of what liberals or anyone other mass group of Americans say or believe. Any reasonable person knows that. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1051 "2018-09-13T18:54:46Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You’re probably STILL wondering how rump won that election. Lack of voting by Democrats who all assumed that Hillary was going to win regardless if they voted or not? If Trump would have won my state, then I too would be one of those people. And I would take partial blame for it as well. Like intelligent people do. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1052 "2018-09-13T18:56:14Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Not trying to convince you. You’re likely a lost cause. too deeply immersed in the cool aid. You’re probably STILL wondering how rump won that election. No. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > What racism against whites am I tolerating? You’re trying to shut someone up by calling her a racist when she is not. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1053 "2018-09-13T19:05:59Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > …I’m still going to call her an unapologetic racist. As **manson1972** adroitly points out, rock on with your bad self. Call anyone anything. You’re wrong. But you do you. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1054 "2018-09-13T19:31:00Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > When the only racism you post about (that I’ve seen, anyway - please correct me if I’m wrong) is supposedly anti white racism, it makes me suspect you don’t really understand or care about racism in the real world, which harms people of color orders of magnitude more than white people. It is true that racism against people of color is a bigger problem, but it just doesn’t seem necessary to fight that battle on this message board since that point of view is already very well represented. I’m also unaware of any active posters that are preaching hatred against people of color. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1055 "2018-09-13T20:25:45Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > It is true that racism against people of color is a bigger problem, but it just doesn’t seem necessary to fight that battle on this message board since that point of view is already very well represented. I’m also unaware of any active posters that are preaching hatred against people of color. There are plenty of active posters who “preach” that black people are inferior in various ways, and a handful who advocate for hate (or hateful usage of language, like that it’s okay to call certain black people the n-word). ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1056 "2018-09-13T21:04:25Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Put up or STFU, jackass. If I made a single logical or mathematical error in post #942, I’m sure you can point it out, right? Here you go: > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21202412&postcount=942](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21202412&postcount=942) > [@Miller](#): > > What’s the point? Your errors have been explained to you over and over and over and over. It’s clear at this point that this whole “learning” thing simply isn’t your bag. :smack: Wowwww. That’s seriously your final answer? The oldest and most pathetic dodge in the book? “I could do it if I wanted to, I just don’t feel like it.” Did you go to Trump University or something? :dubious: And no: not a single person has demonstrated any error in post #942, which was a takedown of a post by EE (and one actually from this thread!) in which he continued his self-admitted tendency to be “arrogant, verbose and wrong”—showing that even after admitting this, he couldn’t help but do the same thing all over again. It doesn’t require any empirical data or any context: the aggressive erroneousness is self-contained and quite clearly laid out in my post. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1057 "2018-09-13T21:57:54Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > No it just means that your partisan rage over a mostly domestic matter is amusing. …ah. So your tone policing. Gotcha. > [@](#): > > That’s cuz you’re too stupid to notice. Nope. Thats because my personal facebook feed is a reflection of my friends and my family and a refection of what they think and they do. Just like your facebook feed is a reflection of the people that you follow. And if your facebook feed is telling you that people are running around yelling “fuck white people” all that means is that you are following some outlandish people. So if you want to fix that: then stop following those people. > [@](#): > > Yes they fucking are. No they fucking aren’t. > [@](#): > > I was citing YOUR facebook feed (or more correctly social media in general). What a twit. And I told you that I looked at my facebook feed and there was nobody there yelling “fuck white people.” “Social media in general” is a completely fucking different thing. And now you are citing “social media in general”? Why don’t you just cite the fucking internet? > [@](#): > > This is a good point. But why are liberals trying so hard to catch up? I’m not making the claim that they are. You made that claim, you answer that question. > [@](#): > > No, fuck you for helping get Trump elected and unleashing that brand of shit on the world. What the fuck do you know about “what my brand” is? I stand for social justice. I fight for the rights of the marginalized. You actually think that’s a problem? > [@](#): > > There must be some part of you that knows this. How delusional are you? > [@](#): > > Right before Trump we elected our first African American president, twice. > > Then we had Trump. > > Many of the folks that voted for Obama turned around and voted for Trump, in part because of people like you. More fucking outrageous lies. Nobody voted for Trump because of me. > [@](#): > > It sounds like you are from new Zealand. Are you of Maori or colonialist descent? My dad was Samoan. His granddad was part of the Mau movement and was murdered by New Zealand police. My mum is Ngāpuhi. Any other personal details about me do you think you are entitled to know? > [@](#): > > How many Maori Prime Ministers have you had in your colonial government? Is there much racism there? How are the Maori doing economically compared to the colonialists? New Zealand is racist as fuck. I talked about this on these very boards just yesterday. [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21204779&postcount=149](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21204779&postcount=149) > [@](#): > > You don’t really need white supremacists when the society is already white colonialist. Wait until your society has to deal with the dominant group losing power before you start extolling the moral superiority of your colonialist country. You don’t know jackshit about my country apart from what you just looked up on google. You even thought I was pakeha, didn’t you? > [@](#): > > Your country has a population somewhere between South Carolina and Alabama. Its hardly reasonable to compare New Zealand to the USA. You stupid piece of shit. I wasn’t making a comparison. I was answering your fucking question. > [@](#): > > Until the dominant group starts to lose power. The dominant group quite happily shares power. Do some fucking research. > [@](#): > > Like I said, its the liberals that are generally telling people to shut up by accusing people who are not racist of racism. When I see “liberals” accusing people of being racist: generally its because those people are racist. > [@](#): > > They do this because they are trying to enforce ideological purity. They do it because those people are fucking racist. > [@](#): > > Wait. Wait until the white folks in New Zealand start to feel threatened. Then see how morally superior you are. There are plenty of white folk in New Zealand who feel threatened. There are plenty that push back. There are plenty that advocate change that will take power away from the tangata whenua. We fight against them. We push them to the fringes. We marginalize them. And we do that with the power of our voice. We do that by doing all the things that you implore us not to. > [@](#): > > Then see how much mileage you get from calling everyone a racist. And you finish with a strawman. Because of course you fucking would. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1058 "2018-09-13T22:07:54Z")
There is another way he could claim that it happens on Facebook, and one I think is far more likely: he goes to one of those places that deliberately collects this stuff. Maybe it’s a group on Facebook about shitty things that have been said. Maybe it’s a subreddit, similar to r/BlackPeopleTwitter, but for Facebook. Maybe it’s news articles from outrage porn sites that show examples. Or maybe it’s just friends who posts memes that say that black people say these things. All of these are more likely than actually being friends with these people he thinks are racist. Problem is, they all will cherry pick the worst stuff, making them an even more slanted view of what these people actually think. Twitter you can use, since you could search Twitter. It would be limited by what you searched for, but at least you could get some actual data. But not Facebook. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1059 "2018-09-13T22:49:23Z")
Even if we were to assume that liberals started becoming racist against white people, why would that lead to Trump in office? Why wouldn’t Republicans have nominated one of the other candidates? They were all on the “liberals are the true racists” bandwagon, calling them PC and SJWs and stuff. Also, Clinton herself never attacked white people. And yet most Trump voters cite Clinton as the reason they voted for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/1060 "2018-09-13T22:55:03Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > And no: not a single person has demonstrated any error in post #942… It doesn’t require any empirical data or any context: the aggressive erroneousness is self-contained and quite clearly laid out in my post. You’re still talking about me, huh? Man, I really clawed my way into you soul, didn’t I. Probably why you can’t learn new things–I’m taking up too much room in your head. Anyway, my post 944 detailed the multiple lies you made in your post 942, so you can stop saying “not a single person has demonstrated any error …” now, because I did exactly that. Also, it’s weird that someone like you would have such an obsessive focus on errors, meanwhile you make huge, enormous, incredibly stupid mistakes. Like the one I detail in post [948](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21202542&postcount=948). Or your mistake that started this whole thing, which you still don’t understand. I lay it out in post [929](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21201948&postcount=929). You’re obsessed with people admitting error. You clearly made huge stupid mistakes, as I show in the above linked posts. So…admit your errors, buddy! Actually, just out of curiosity, can you show any post on this board where you have ever admitted error? Seems like someone like you should have done that, unless you’re some kind of hypocrite, hmmmmm…? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086.md?page=54)