# New York Times hires unapologetic racist writer **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2018, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086 "2018-08-04T10:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 929
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086/929 "2018-09-11T23:35:14Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21179751&postcount=752](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21179751&postcount=752) > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21179799&postcount=754](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21179799&postcount=754) > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21179835&postcount=755](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21179835&postcount=755) > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21180044&postcount=758](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21180044&postcount=758) > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21181203&postcount=769](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21181203&postcount=769) > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21181210&postcount=770](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21181210&postcount=770) > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21181592&postcount=771](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21181592&postcount=771) Great analysis dude! Seriously, you had one job; to provide links. And you fucked that up. Here’s the actual start of the argument, from another thread (FYI, I’m quoting only the relevant parts of the posts): > [@Interesting podcast conversation between Sam Harris and Charles Murray (of "Bell Curve" fame)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-podcast-conversation-between-sam-harris-and-charles-murray-of-bell-curve-fame/785052/1232): > > Sorry, I’m still not understanding you. Here’s my very simple question: black students get less funding than white students with similar needs–yes or no? That seems like a simple yes or no question to me. > Black special needs students get less funding than white special needs students, yes or no? > Black regular needs students get less funding than white regular needs students, yes or no? > Since you and I both happen to know that the answer to the above three questions is “yes” …there’s a follow-up question: > > The above is an example of our schools failing black students, yes or no? > [@Interesting podcast conversation between Sam Harris and Charles Murray (of "Bell Curve" fame)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-podcast-conversation-between-sam-harris-and-charles-murray-of-bell-curve-fame/785052/1236): > > So Kimstu, my interjection is addressed to you. Will you please respond to Evil Economist (post #1232)? I have a feeling you know EE’s argument is bullshit: some kind of circular reasoning or begging the question, in that ballpark. Right? > [@Interesting podcast conversation between Sam Harris and Charles Murray (of "Bell Curve" fame)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-podcast-conversation-between-sam-harris-and-charles-murray-of-bell-curve-fame/785052/1241): > > Let me try with simple numbers: > > Group A has 2 mainstream students, who each receive $1.50 of funding (the minimum necessary for the students to learn). They also have 1 special education student, who receives $3.50 in funding (the minimum amount of funding necessary for the student to learn) > > Group B has 1 mainstream student, who receives $1 of funding, and two special education students, who each receive $3 of funding. > > Now, Group B receives more total money ($7 vs. $6.50), but all of their students are receiving insufficient funding. The mainstream student is receiving only $1, compared to the $1.50 needed to provide a minimum education, and the special education students are receiving $3, less than the $3.50 needed to provide a minimum education. > [@Interesting podcast conversation between Sam Harris and Charles Murray (of "Bell Curve" fame)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-podcast-conversation-between-sam-harris-and-charles-murray-of-bell-curve-fame/785052/1242): > > Still not sure I understand what **SlackerInc** ’s objection was getting at, but at least in that analogy, the fact that the Group B students get more money overall does **not** make it a logical fallacy to argue that they are underfunded on a per-student basis in each of their funding categories. > [@Interesting podcast conversation between Sam Harris and Charles Murray (of "Bell Curve" fame)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-podcast-conversation-between-sam-harris-and-charles-murray-of-bell-curve-fame/785052/1253): > > As **EE** ’s simplified example makes clear, the problem is that it’s possible for **all** black kids to be underfunded relative to white kids with the same education status, even the ones who **aren’t** special-needs. > > This is because the proportion of special-needs to mainstream students isn’t the same in both populations. Your insistence on averaging-out the special-needs and mainstream groups obscures that fact. > > Suppose you have a group of, say, ten dogs and five cows, and you feed them a healthy diet of, say two pounds of dog food per dog and 30 pounds of fodder per cow, for a total of 170 pounds of assorted foodstuffs per day. > > And you have another group of, say, five dogs and ten cows, which you feed at the much less nutritious rate of one pound of dog food or 20 pounds of fodder per animal respectively, which would be a total of 205 pounds per day. > > The average weight of food for each animal in the second group would be **larger** than that for each animal in the first group, **but each animal in the second group would still be seriously underfed**. > AFAICT you are completely misrepresenting the argument you’re disagreeing with. > [@Interesting podcast conversation between Sam Harris and Charles Murray (of "Bell Curve" fame)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-podcast-conversation-between-sam-harris-and-charles-murray-of-bell-curve-fame/785052/1256): > > I will respond in more detail later, but that is some serious bullshit to characterize SpEd and reg ed kids as being as different as dogs and cows. They are all kids, on a continuum, with a line arbitrarily drawn at one point. Kids on one side of that line are given a great deal more in resources, but the prevailing paradigm in SpEd is mainstreaming/LRE. Most people in SpEd would find that analogy offensive but also just very poor in descriptive terms. I anticipated someone taking a line like this and specifically tried to head it off in an earlier post. I didn’t think it would be you, though, Kimstu! Disappointing. I left in that last post of yours as a gratuitous slam. \*\*Kimstu \*\*tried to explain the concept to you using a simple analogy with dogs and cows and you had a (hopefully feigned) hysteric breakdown because you thought she was comparing special ed students to cows. You have unique reading comprehension. Note in the third post above, me explaining the concept to you using numbers. Notice how those are basically the same numbers \*\*Damuri \*\*used to try to claim that I was wrong. Interesting, isn’t it, that if \*\*Damuri \*\*is correct, you must be wrong? That’s why I was so surprised that you took his side. (actually, as per your usual, I could tell you just didn’t have the intellectual horsepower to think through the consequences of your position). The argument in this thread is me repeating the argument in verbal form (I.e., to quote myself from that post and in this thread: “So your claim is that regular black schoolchildren receive less funding than regular white schoolchildren, and special education black schoolchildren receive less funding than special education white schoolchildren, but that there are enough special education black schoolchildren to make overall spend higher for black schoolchildren, even though they’re being discriminated against on a like-to-like basis”). Then \*\*Damuri \*\*misunderstood what I was saying (and also didn’t have context because he was jumping into an argument that was continuing from a prior thread), giving basically exactly the same numerical example that I did (while claiming that it proved that I was wrong), and you hoping so badly that I was wrong about something that you took \*\*Damuri’s \*\*side, even though \*\*Damuri \*\*being right means you must be wrong. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-york-times-hires-unapologetic-racist-writer/819086)._